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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 22 2013 11:17 GMT
#8601
In the 90's there was a lot of drugs in football, it's not weird to think that it has carried over in the 2000's. I don't think it's as widespread as then, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was. Cases of players dying on the field, endless stamina, miracle recoveries, if you look at the game skeptically there is enough "evidence".
Purpose88
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany137 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 11:27:57
May 22 2013 11:26 GMT
#8602
So Rodriguez not to Dortmund? Looks like we get Dzeko then. So Monaco is the next ManCity, huh? All greedy players that only care about will be playing for Monaco. If Monaco spends 100M+ for Falcao and Rodriguez, wtf? :o
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 12:07:14
May 22 2013 11:28 GMT
#8603
On May 22 2013 20:26 Purpose88 wrote:
So Rodriguez not to Dortmund? Looks like we get Dzeko then :o


That one is Jackson. (Martinez -> Not Rodriguez as i've said before sorry)

But I highly doubt that he will end up in Dortmund, because he's too pricy. Porto will want 30M€ + for him
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 11:45:53
May 22 2013 11:35 GMT
#8604
On May 22 2013 20:15 bObaZ wrote:
In Other Transfer News (Portuguese Edition)

Lazar Markovic from Partizan Moves to Benfica for 10M€, joining Matic and the other 3 Serbs that we already signed (Mitrovic, Sulejmani and Djuricic) raising the number to 5 players from Serbia in the squad.

James Rodriguez and João Moutinho reported to fly to Monaco this morning with Jorge Mendes (their agent). Rumour has it that it will involve a 70M€ fee for both.

That's what modern football is becoming. World Class Players playing just for money. No CL or Europa League for them next year.



To be fair, if someone paid me stupid money to play for Monaco i would accept. That city is stupidly nice, would love to be able to live there.

Also that Lazar Markovic was supposidly a target for Chelsea So i hope in your contract negotiations you put a nice release clause on his contract, as im sure we will be in for him if he plays well for u

On May 22 2013 20:37 bObaZ wrote:
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On May 22 2013 20:35 Pandemona wrote:



Also that Lazar Markovic was supposidly a target for Chelsea So i hope in your contract negotiations you put a nice release clause on his contract, as im sure we will be in for him if he plays well for u


40M Release clause It's all covered


Haha gotta love Portuguese clubs and their contracts
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
May 22 2013 11:37 GMT
#8605
On May 22 2013 20:35 Pandemona wrote:



Also that Lazar Markovic was supposidly a target for Chelsea So i hope in your contract negotiations you put a nice release clause on his contract, as im sure we will be in for him if he plays well for u


40M Release clause It's all covered
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6286 Posts
May 22 2013 11:55 GMT
#8606
On May 22 2013 20:37 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:35 Pandemona wrote:



Also that Lazar Markovic was supposidly a target for Chelsea So i hope in your contract negotiations you put a nice release clause on his contract, as im sure we will be in for him if he plays well for u


40M Release clause It's all covered

Lazar Markovic has a really bright future ahead of him, he has received as much hype as Jovetic over here so Benfica have done some really good business if they have indeed snapped him up. Though Serbian media isn't saying anything which is weird...

About New York City FC, why didn't they just buy out the Cosmos? Didn't the Yankees play a big part in building Cosmos back in the 70's? And another question. Is City a franchise or a traditional club? As in if they moved to Oklahoma City would they be called Oklahoma City City? Or they don't have a name its just the name of the city (NYC) with 'football club' put on the end?
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 22 2013 11:56 GMT
#8607
On May 22 2013 20:28 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:26 Purpose88 wrote:
So Rodriguez not to Dortmund? Looks like we get Dzeko then :o


That Rodriguez is another one That one is Jackson. Plenty of World Class players named Rodriguez in Porto.

But I highly doubt that he will end up in Dortmund, because he's too pricy. Porto will want 30M€ + for him


30M for Jackson or Rodriguez? I think 30M for Jackson is a bit much, but with Porto you never know.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
May 22 2013 11:57 GMT
#8608
On May 22 2013 20:55 Zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:37 bObaZ wrote:
On May 22 2013 20:35 Pandemona wrote:



Also that Lazar Markovic was supposidly a target for Chelsea So i hope in your contract negotiations you put a nice release clause on his contract, as im sure we will be in for him if he plays well for u


40M Release clause It's all covered

Lazar Markovic has a really bright future ahead of him, he has received as much hype as Jovetic over here so Benfica have done some really good business if they have indeed snapped him up. Though Serbian media isn't saying anything which is weird...

About New York City FC, why didn't they just buy out the Cosmos? Didn't the Yankees play a big part in building Cosmos back in the 70's? And another question. Is City a franchise or a traditional club? As in if they moved to Oklahoma City would they be called Oklahoma City City? Or they don't have a name its just the name of the city (NYC) with 'football club' put on the end?


Pretty sure Cosmos is New York Red Bulls? I thought Red Bull bought out the sponsorship etc?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
May 22 2013 12:00 GMT
#8609
Porto just sold (allegedly) João Moutinho and James Rodriguez for 70M€ to Monaco. But as of this moment is just speculation. Although they flew to Monaco this morning with Jorge Mendes.

And Porto payed 9M for Jackson Martinez (I told his name was rodriguez before, my bad!) in the beggining of the year. And he was the top goal scorer of the league and an all arround great player. Porto won't sell him for less than 30M, that's for sure!
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 22 2013 12:17 GMT
#8610
If Moutinho and Rodriguez go off to Monaco there is definitely no reason to accept any less. I don't think many clubs will pay that sum (yet) though and certainly not Dortmund, but I've been wrong before.

And Benfica seem to be doing some good business on the market. Who is going to leave at the end of the season tho?
PixelNite
Profile Joined August 2011
France1008 Posts
May 22 2013 12:27 GMT
#8611
70M for Moutinho and Rodriguez? That's more than what PSG paid for Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva ...
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 12:39:47
May 22 2013 12:35 GMT
#8612
On May 22 2013 21:17 Ysellian wrote:
If Moutinho and Rodriguez go off to Monaco there is definitely no reason to accept any less. I don't think many clubs will pay that sum (yet) though and certainly not Dortmund, but I've been wrong before.

And Benfica seem to be doing some good business on the market. Who is going to leave at the end of the season tho?


If we believe in the News, Garay is already sold for 20M to any of this 3 clubs (City, United or Madrid). Gaitan will probably leave too for something arround 20-25M.

I hope Benfica won't sell any1 else... Certainly not Salvio, Enzo or Matic! Although Salvio and MAtic have 60 and 50M Clauses respectively, so probably noone will touch them.. I'm more worried with Enzo :|
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 12:56:35
May 22 2013 12:41 GMT
#8613
What about your strikers? Lima and Cardoza both good scorers, maybe AVB might want one of them for Tottenham? xD

Yeah Garay is fucking sick defender. Argentinan's best defender in a long time imo. Real were stupid to let him go and keep Pepe instead.
Ramos RB
Varane Garay CB
Coentrao/Marcelo LB
is a very very nice looking defense.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
May 22 2013 12:52 GMT
#8614
Does Enzo has a low clause? I don't think Benfica need to sell anyone else if they do manage to get good money for Garay and Gaitan. Especially losing Garay, from the matches I watched Benfica this season he really looked great in defense.

Btw has Garay's replacement already been bought? There were some rumours a long time ago that Benfica were looking at one of my team's star defenders (Bruno Martins Indi), just wondering if this is the Dutch media just making up stuff or have you heard about it as well?
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
May 22 2013 12:55 GMT
#8615
On May 22 2013 15:39 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:47 Twisted wrote:
Dutch media are reporting that Juventus used EPO/blood transfusions in 1996 before the UEFA Champions League final against Ajax. They won it after penalty kicks.

Apparently an Italian doctor has absolute proof. Could become interesting .


That will probably turn to nothing. In Portugal, there were 1 or 2 reports by retired players that they used doping in the late 80's for Porto. And that the anti doping comitee (that was really weak at the time) was controlled by the club. But the authorities never got into it...

But you never know, because in Italy the football justice tend to work. If that would be applied in Portugal, Porto would already be in the 4th division (Take in mind that i'm a Benfica fan and this might be a slightly biased opinion).

Typical Melonhead fan....why don't you talk about ur club, who ACTUALLY got athletes banned for doping in several sports, or even the rather suspicious deaths in the pitch just some days appart...yea thought so, go ahead and "quote" a buthhurt brazilian crackhead who has his butt sore from sitting in the bench coz he wasnt good enough to play for us....
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51462 Posts
May 22 2013 12:56 GMT
#8616
On May 22 2013 20:35 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:15 bObaZ wrote:
In Other Transfer News (Portuguese Edition)

Lazar Markovic from Partizan Moves to Benfica for 10M€, joining Matic and the other 3 Serbs that we already signed (Mitrovic, Sulejmani and Djuricic) raising the number to 5 players from Serbia in the squad.

James Rodriguez and João Moutinho reported to fly to Monaco this morning with Jorge Mendes (their agent). Rumour has it that it will involve a 70M€ fee for both.

That's what modern football is becoming. World Class Players playing just for money. No CL or Europa League for them next year.


To be fair, if someone paid me stupid money to play for Monaco i would accept. That city is stupidly nice, would love to be able to live there.

my main lure would be that you would barely get taxed
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
May 22 2013 12:58 GMT
#8617
On May 22 2013 21:55 daSilvaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:39 bObaZ wrote:
On May 22 2013 07:47 Twisted wrote:
Dutch media are reporting that Juventus used EPO/blood transfusions in 1996 before the UEFA Champions League final against Ajax. They won it after penalty kicks.

Apparently an Italian doctor has absolute proof. Could become interesting .


That will probably turn to nothing. In Portugal, there were 1 or 2 reports by retired players that they used doping in the late 80's for Porto. And that the anti doping comitee (that was really weak at the time) was controlled by the club. But the authorities never got into it...

But you never know, because in Italy the football justice tend to work. If that would be applied in Portugal, Porto would already be in the 4th division (Take in mind that i'm a Benfica fan and this might be a slightly biased opinion).

Typical Melonhead fan....why don't you talk about ur club, who ACTUALLY got athletes banned for doping in several sports, or even the rather suspicious deaths in the pitch just some days appart...yea thought so, go ahead and "quote" a buthhurt brazilian crackhead who has his butt sore from sitting in the bench coz he wasnt good enough to play for us....


LOL wows Not too much BM, lets not start a Benfica vs Porto war in the football thread lol

On May 22 2013 21:56 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 20:35 Pandemona wrote:
On May 22 2013 20:15 bObaZ wrote:
In Other Transfer News (Portuguese Edition)

Lazar Markovic from Partizan Moves to Benfica for 10M€, joining Matic and the other 3 Serbs that we already signed (Mitrovic, Sulejmani and Djuricic) raising the number to 5 players from Serbia in the squad.

James Rodriguez and João Moutinho reported to fly to Monaco this morning with Jorge Mendes (their agent). Rumour has it that it will involve a 70M€ fee for both.

That's what modern football is becoming. World Class Players playing just for money. No CL or Europa League for them next year.


To be fair, if someone paid me stupid money to play for Monaco i would accept. That city is stupidly nice, would love to be able to live there.

my main lure would be that you would barely get taxed


I'm a big gambler so the casino's and the F1 every year would be awesome for me too xD
What a nice place xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
May 22 2013 13:14 GMT
#8618
Silva, I don't want to start a war here. And i'm not a melonhead. Being sad is different that having a melon for a head... But i understand the comment. I didn't even said anything offensive on my comment and i underlined the fact that i'm a Benfica Fan... I didn't even said that porto had doping i only said that reports exist... Don't be so dramatic!

On Topic, I think Enzo have probably a 25-30M clause (i'm not sure) and the problem with Benfica Strikers is that they're Old... Cardozo os 28 or 29 and Lima is 30...

And Ysellian, i've never hear about that player... And there's no mention to him in Benfica Foruns so it might be the dutch media.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
May 22 2013 13:18 GMT
#8619
Pellegrini confirms he's leaving Malaga
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
May 22 2013 13:21 GMT
#8620
On May 22 2013 20:08 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 19:16 kyllinghest wrote:
On May 22 2013 19:06 Steveling wrote:
I don't care about doping accusations because they refer to only those that get caught, lol.
Imo every pro athlete that competes on an international level is doping. In all sports, well ok except sports like snooker but who knows.

Thats a very serious accusation, and a dumb one aswell, have you got any good reason for just spouting it out like that?


I did say that's my opinion.
i still watch and enjoy football despite of this.

But seriously, this multibillion industry is not gonna start saying "omg messi is doping, lets ban him" or "omg dortmunds physios are more like drug dealers lets disband the team", they would be dumb to do something like this. They would lose so much money.

Haven't you ever read news about a champion/team whose medals got revoked? Cause I think I hear at least 2-3 major cases every year.

In eastern germany and in general all communist countries during cold war, the doctors literally stuffed up the athletes with all kinds of performance drugs. There are countless documentaries and interviews, go watch them.
The same situation was not revealed for the western athletes of the time, americans, french, british etcetc.
So how can you explain the fact that these athletes who were seemingly pure(lol) were able to compete and even beat their doped rivals?

I hope your responses guys will not be about unicorns and rainbows and how you would give your life for dortmunds sake, lol.

This is 2013, not the cold war. You basically say that "in your opinion" every athlete out there does drugs and is a cheat, and I don't buy that for a single second mate. I am crazy for all kinds of sports (except snooker, I think its boring), and of course I am aware of the fact that certain athletes have been cheating, but to claim that they all do it... Thats just so far out.
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