This is Marc-Olivier "desRow" Proulx. I've been coaching since March and have about 350 hours of experience. I've been playing full time since release. This thread is not only about my coaching but about some showmatches I will be hosting and I am also giving free coaching away so make sure to read the bottom of the thread.
I've been playing Starcraft 2 since release but only became a professional Starcraft 2 player around March. I have also been streaming my ladder sessions since the beginning of the year. My RTS background comes mostly from Warcraft 3 but I played a little bit of Broodwar as well. I haven't won any notable online tournament so far although I have done fairly well like getting to the semi finals of TL Open #21 by beating FXOtz 2-0, GosuHwangsin 2-1 and finally losing to IdrA 1-2. I also made it to the Ro8 of TL Open #25 losing 1-2 to mTwDIMAGA.
I am currently trying to join a Korean pro house. This means playing on the Korean ladder on a daily basis and competing in the ESV Korean weekly every Saturday at 5am. I had to change my sleep schedule to 7pm-3am so I can try and impress Koreans by beating a notable player. If I succeed, I will be paying my way over there out of my own pocket in order to pursue my dream. I would like to thank all who have bought and continued to buy coaching from me, it's helped me tremendously.
I just took my first hour of coaching from mr Desrow, im very happy with the outcome, think i am 7-0 since i took the lesson and thats kinda awesome :D he helped me a lot and im most definitely taking more lessons from him in the future. :D ty desrow for making my SC2 playing more fun! cuz i win more now haha :D
Sincèrement, DesRow ma réelement aidé, Sans lui je ne serais surement jamais arrivé en master, Il est très patient, Il vous aide beaucoup à travaillé vos Builds, ou vos techniques ou vos mechanique de jeu Surement l'un des meilleurs coachers de NA / EU C'est quelqu'un de tres gentil qui vous fera surement beaucoup rigolé, En 1 heure, vous pouvez apprendre tellement de chose que sa ne pourrais pas tenir sur une feuille, Pour seulement 25$ C'est une affaire en OR, C'est ce genre de personne qui font vivre l'esport! J'ai appris tellement de chose de lui, Encore aujourd'hui je lui demande quelque conseils et il est toujours à l'écoute pour vos replays ou vos problèmes contre un BO! Je continue d'apprendre pleins de chose de lui! DESROW PRESIDENT. Maybe one day :D <3 Keep Going DesRow and go in Korea beat some koreans! Si vous avez besoin d'un choach c'est lui!
My rate is 25$/hr, 40$ for 2hours. You can visit my coaching page right here
Email: d3srow@gmail.com Skype: vrg.ss.desrow I am almost exclusively on Korean server these days so giving out my US info wouldn't be useful =P
Also, I am doing 2 raffles for free coaching. There are 10 hours of free coaching up for grab. 5 on twitter and 5 on youtube.
My Youtube channel is filled with games of me on the ladder/in tournament. A lot of my games are with commentary and some are not. I upload games vs notable players about every week.
All you have to do is subscribe to my channel and post a comment in the dimaga game. The video can be found right here. 5 winners will be picked on the 11th of October.
I usually tweet about my tournament updates, when I stream and about some of my hobbies ^^.
All you have to do is follow me on Twitter and tweet at me "desrowfighting !!~" 5 winners will be picked on the 11th of October. You are allowed to sign up for both and if luck meets your fate, you can possibly win 2hours of coaching.
I was running some donations a month or 2 ago and I am pleased to announce that I will be playing 2 showmatches vs Destiny and TLO in a bo5. Winner takes home 50$.
Further details and schedule will posted in the tournament section in the upcoming month. You are welcome to make your predictions =P I'd like to thank my viewers for donating and making all of this possible.
why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
yea i really like his stream cuz he is usually always talking with the viewers and cuz if that its never boring desrow pls keep this good work going !!
I have been watching Des for a while now and a lot of people complain at his manners but if you did it for a living and had hundreds of to entertain i am sure it gets stressful. I definitely support this and plan on donating to the showmatches soon enough!
His stream is fun to watch; where the occasional rage and bm is fine. Unfortunately, because of his inconsistent attitude I'm not confident in his coaching ability. Good luck on your future endeavours, Desrow.
Hey nice thread! Much better than the last one you were in, but for some reason the format looks oddly familiar to someone else's. No offense, but ripping off someone's thread is just lame. Good luck though! Try not to be so obvious next time.
On September 28 2011 03:53 Torte de Lini wrote: What happened between you and RAGE E-SPORTS?
miscommunication so we parted ways. I stayed for about a month. =(
Btw the 10 hours of free coaching is to make up for my fans. I used to give 1-2hours every month but stopped for 2-3 months. Will be doing it again next month although it will only be 1 or 2 hours.
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
have you seem desrow? anyone sending him to MLG would have to buy 2 plane tickets. 2 tickets for someone who wont get past a few rounds in open bracket....hardly worth the expense,
On September 28 2011 02:22 Toppp wrote: Desrow Is insanely bm and rages alot, so I wouldn't recommend him as a coach, but hes pretty good.
He's only BM if he rages, most of the time he is a nice guy. But he is only average at the game.
He only plays macro and although his mechanics are fine, he is only equal to a mid master league NA player by skill. And yes, master league players can take games off idra, that's no achievement. I used to be a mod on his stream so I've seen his stream a lot and I can tell that strategically desrow is very predictable and he's not too good of a player in a competitive sense.
But he has given a lot of coaching so he has a lot of experience in that, so he definitely is a good choice for someone who wants coaching as he definitely has a well thought out routine. So ya.
On September 28 2011 02:22 Toppp wrote: Desrow Is insanely bm and rages alot, so I wouldn't recommend him as a coach, but hes pretty good.
He's only BM if he rages, most of the time he is a nice guy. But he is only average at the game.
He only plays macro and although his mechanics are fine, he is only equal to a mid master league NA player by skill. And yes, master league players can take games off idra, that's no achievement. I used to be a mod on his stream so I've seen his stream a lot and I can tell that strategically desrow is very predictable and he's not too good of a player in a competitive sense.
But he has given a lot of coaching so he has a lot of experience in that, so he definitely is a good choice for someone who wants coaching as he definitely has a well thought out routine. So ya.
I got coaching from desrow a few months ago on PvZ. since then my pvz has gotten so much better. went from plat to beating diamond players without too much trouble.
months later, I'm asking him questions about PvT, and he's nice enough to answer my questions on skype with great detail.
desrow's coaching is not only a learning experience, but it's really fun too :D desrow best coach!
My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
I don't know what you're talking about, master. when desrow coached me the "yelling" was more like a caster being excited about a game. he talked fast and loud, but the things he was saying weren't rude. he was just really into the game trying to help me do things in time/the right way. never once did he say anything to insult my gameplay.
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
Well, if I remember correctly you did something to piss him off as well, including continually harassing him or BMing the hell out of him one night.
He doesn't just mindlessly yell at you, and it isn't yelling. The idea behind it is that you won't forget it if it is told in an aggressive manner. It isn't shouting to feel important. And that is maybe 2% of the lesson, the other 98% is teaching you how to execute build orders. Also, his student replays packs are good, and you can learn a lot from them.
He is a good coach, unless you want to never be criticized for what you are doing wrong (which is really pointless), and I would recommend him. If anything, a coach is not always the best player, experience (of which desRow has plenty) is the key.
EDIT: Just remembered, how on earth is it trial by fire? Anyone BMing the student or making snide comments is banned...
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
From the tone of your post, it is clearly obvious that you are the one with a personal vendetta. I've never given your personal information and never made any death wish.
I don't yell at my students or "do trial by fire with my viewers". Most of my recent mods can assure you that whenever I stream my coaching, I strictly ask viewers to stay respectful to both me and my student. Your post is 90% and 10% personal opinion. You have no proof to back up any of your "accusations". I would be pleased if you could move on with your life. Thank you
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
From the tone of your post, it is clearly obvious that you are the one with a personal vendetta. I've never given your personal information and never made any death wish.
I don't yell at my students or "do trial by fire with my viewers". Most of my recent mods can assure you that whenever I stream my coaching, I strictly ask viewers to stay respectful to both me and my student. Your post is 90% and 10% personal opinion. You have no proof to back up any of your "accusations". I would be pleased if you could move on with your life. Thank you
How can you tell something is on a personal vendetta by the 'tone' of words, not even vocalized? That's pretty impressive.
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
From the tone of your post, it is clearly obvious that you are the one with a personal vendetta. I've never given your personal information and never made any death wish.
I don't yell at my students or "do trial by fire with my viewers". Most of my recent mods can assure you that whenever I stream my coaching, I strictly ask viewers to stay respectful to both me and my student. Your post is 90% and 10% personal opinion. You have no proof to back up any of your "accusations". I would be pleased if you could move on with your life. Thank you
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
From the tone of your post, it is clearly obvious that you are the one with a personal vendetta. I've never given your personal information and never made any death wish.
I don't yell at my students or "do trial by fire with my viewers". Most of my recent mods can assure you that whenever I stream my coaching, I strictly ask viewers to stay respectful to both me and my student. Your post is 90% and 10% personal opinion. You have no proof to back up any of your "accusations". I would be pleased if you could move on with your life. Thank you
How can you tell something is on a personal vendetta by the 'tone' of words, not even vocalized? That's pretty impressive.
Just see his posting history with regards to desRow. It takes a pretty serious grudge to comment on every post involving him and trash his name everywhere.
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
From the tone of your post, it is clearly obvious that you are the one with a personal vendetta. I've never given your personal information and never made any death wish.
I don't yell at my students or "do trial by fire with my viewers". Most of my recent mods can assure you that whenever I stream my coaching, I strictly ask viewers to stay respectful to both me and my student. Your post is 90% and 10% personal opinion. You have no proof to back up any of your "accusations". I would be pleased if you could move on with your life. Thank you
sorry to say Ive seen it aswell but desrow this guy is 100% correct..I seen this happen long ago the first time I have ever been into desrows stream he was swearing at his student who was no more then 14-17....the kid asks a question and he barely answers the question asked . I dont know desrow and ive only ever seen that 1 lesson and I was shocked on his ability of teaching and the way he belittles his students. Im currently in the canadian military and Ive trained many soliders in my day and I would NEVER talk to anyone like that even kids on Basic.
Mind you Ive only seen 1 lesson so he could have changed since then (being around 5-6 months ago)
Hey good luck man. I can't say I'm the biggest fan, but I can appreciate a willingness to improve and get better. If you really are committed to what you do, you'll ignore the haters and prove them wrong in the future. I hope you get that chance! Good luck!
On September 28 2011 05:24 masterbreti wrote: My my past experince from being an avid desrow steream watcher back before he was featured, even being a mod too. He bm's and rages a lot. He has hurled quite a few insults at me and also has harassed myself by posting my personal info on his stream, which caused me to be harassed elsewhere (facebook and twitter being main ones). He has also wished death on me. I'm sure I am not the first to have this happen. So if you want coaching from him. Keep that previous bm in mind and also think about how he treats his students.
He yells at his students often and allows for his sutdents to be put on a sort of trial by fire with his stream watchers. He doesn't allow the player himself to really improve. But yells at them while being obs in a match. So don't miss something or you're going to be yelled at. Thats his coaching style. I've seen it in action and honestly there are more qualified coaches that will give you better results, without all the yelling and demeaning attitude desrow takes to teach you.
I generally would not post this, but as people in this thread have already metioned the yelling and attitude. I felt I could at least give come experince on the matter. As one who used to watch a lot and someone who desrow has a personal vendetta against. He is not generally someone who I would recommend to anyone for coaching. Unless that person was my worst enemy.
From the tone of your post, it is clearly obvious that you are the one with a personal vendetta. I've never given your personal information and never made any death wish.
I don't yell at my students or "do trial by fire with my viewers". Most of my recent mods can assure you that whenever I stream my coaching, I strictly ask viewers to stay respectful to both me and my student. Your post is 90% and 10% personal opinion. You have no proof to back up any of your "accusations". I would be pleased if you could move on with your life. Thank you
sorry to say Ive seen it aswell but desrow this guy is 100% correct..I seen this happen long ago the first time I have ever been into desrows stream he was swearing at his student who was no more then 14-17....the kid asks a question and he barely answers the question asked . I dont know desrow and ive only ever seen that 1 lesson and I was shocked on his ability of teaching and the way he belittles his students. Im currently in the canadian military and Ive trained many soliders in my day and I would NEVER talk to anyone like that even kids on Basic.
Mind you Ive only seen 1 lesson so he could have changed since then (being around 5-6 months ago)
Have to agree. The only times I watched his stream he was very bm and rude. Was surprised that a featured streamer would be like this.
Sounds like a nice guy. I'm glad he did something like this because I didn’t know much about him before this post. I have seen his name obviously but never knew much about him due to his comparatively speaking lack of accomplishments
Well i must say the things being said about him dont give him an "appealing" nature.
Then i remembered that everyone loves Idra, and im left wondering why the hell everyone is hating on him and loving on idra. Seems to me that they are the (BM) twins of eachother no?
GL going to korea, and if this BM stuff is indeed true, dial it down a notch...
Over 60 registrations for the raffles so far, keep it going.
As for those who watched my stream and didn't enjoy my coaching, I know my coaching style isn't for everyone because I won't sugar coat things most of the time. But to say that I don't treat my students with respect is not true.
At the end of the day, getting coached is a fun way to improve but I am a blunt/strict person who only has your best interest in mind. I want you to succeed and I want you to get promoted. Think of me as your football coach, not as a hipster guitar teacher.
Disclaimer: I have nothing against hipsters or guitar players, I used to play guitar myself like a maniac for 4 years but I quit 4 years ago
When people say BM, do they mean he calls people gay and stuff? That's seriously so lame, are we all children who can't handle words being said to each other? I highly doubt he yells and screams ludicrous obscenities everytime he streams.
I'm pretty sure when most people on TL say someone is BM, is way way way overblown. People say Idra is BM and he literally insults people like he's in middle-school, which is more of a shot to people who are actually insulted by that rather than on Greg himself. I mean really, people on this website think it's rude to not type the letters "GG" or "GLHF" before a game? Really? How sensitive are we as a community where things CHILDREN don't even get offended by makes people here literally upset?
I think everyone should play one game on Xbox live so they can see what BM is REALLY like.
I have been watching desrow stream as often as i can. And i have to say that the BM is not even close to the ppl are making it sound to be, 99% of it is just trolling but i guess people are too overly emotional about comments over the INTERNET.
On September 28 2011 07:29 t0ab wrote: I have been watching desrow stream as often as i can. And i have to say that the BM is not even close to the ppl are making it sound to be, 99% of it is just trolling but i guess people are too overly emotional about comments over the INTERNET.
Agreed, Desrow's BM is more or less for the "show," and his coaching style is fairly hardcore, but people really enjoy it, but most importantly it works and its a fairly good use out of an hour because you learn fast.
Save your money guys...There are better skilled and more well-mannered Protoss players who would be willing to teach you for that amount of money.
To people giving DesRow all the pride for beating IdrA... like honestly beating a player better then you in a bo1 doesn't mean shit... try beating IdrA in a bo3 or bo5.
On September 28 2011 07:41 birdkicker wrote: Save your money guys...There are better skilled and more well-mannered Protoss players who would be willing to teach you for that amount of money.
To people giving DesRow all the pride for beating IdrA... like honestly beating a player better then you in a bo1 doesn't mean shit... try beating IdrA in a bo3 or bo5.
Do you really think skill and manner matters most to a coach...there are people who are naturally good teachers and desRow is one of them. 99% of people who get coaching aren't near the level where a top top tier player's knowledge would make any difference. If you're going to pay to hang around with a progamer for an hour and have fun, then that's another story, but trust me dude desRow knows how to help people improve.
Taking a game of IdrA isn't saying he's better, its saying that he's capable of playing at that level...he didn't win the Bo3, no-one's saying he's better, trying not to make assumptions here but you seem like an IdrA fanboy, you'd be insulting IdrA's skill if taking a game off him means nothing.
My session with desrow was super effective in helping me in my PvZ game and improving my macro all together. I highly suggest Desrow as a coach and I'll be back for future lessons.
On September 28 2011 01:26 tQorgetslamt wrote: im about to hit the park to jog a bit , u coming? NEVERMIND
wow that was so clever bro, insulting him based on his appearance. obviously his self esteem is far superior to yours, considering he posted many pictures and nobody knows in the slightest who you are or what you look like. go outside bro, you need fresh air.
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
I'm sorry but I do not want to get coached and basically be told how to do something when the coahc really doesn't know how to do it, and then get BMed to hell. My reasoning behind not getting coached, not worth it for free even imho. Not trying to be mean, just my opinion.
On September 28 2011 06:57 Capped wrote: Well i must say the things being said about him dont give him an "appealing" nature.
Then i remembered that everyone loves Idra, and im left wondering why the hell everyone is hating on him and loving on idra. Seems to me that they are the (BM) twins of eachother no?
GL going to korea, and if this BM stuff is indeed true, dial it down a notch...
because if you are a dick and you suck then you're just a dick. if you are good and a dick, atleast you have a redeeming feature
On September 28 2011 07:29 t0ab wrote: I have been watching desrow stream as often as i can. And i have to say that the BM is not even close to the ppl are making it sound to be, 99% of it is just trolling but i guess people are too overly emotional about comments over the INTERNET.
ah ok, bm is ok as long as you dont mean it. kk now it all makes sense
I've checked out the stream a few times and it seems like he just naturally speaks in a condescending manner even if he is not being directly BM or raging. Even if he does not mean it, it is not very pleasant to listen to, and probably not good for lessons so I would not recommend.
Good luck desrow <3 your stream, only have a couple of favorites in terms of who I watch play sc2, you're one of them . Love your explanations of everything. Also to phantaxx, desrow doesn't speak in a condescending manner, he's actually a very nice person. You've probably caught him trolling in several occasions this is why you think this of him, he surely likes to troll at times or talks about people that are in his chat being tards and that's all well, but he is a mannered player.
It's getting ridiculous that people jump on someone because they see them BM once or twice and start going on some bullshit witch hunt. Half the people featured on TL BM more than desRow from what I've seen as I like to watch around. That doesn't mean you start shitting up their legitimate threads with your personal opinions, if anything people who have actual, "BM" problems should be addressed and I'm not going to point any fingers but it's more than obvious who those people are.
DesRow is just trying to do his thing and from watching him over time I'm actually incredibly impressed by his progress as a player and if anything he should be proof that with enough dedication you may not be winning tournaments, but you'll at least have the foundation needed to get to that point if you pour enough work and dedication into it.
Let the haters hate desRow, you do your thing and I'm sure you'll accomplish your goals.
Good luck getting to Korea Desrow, your stream is one of the best, even more so when you are talking and commentating what you are doing.
I saw a sudden change in the stream when Desrow didn't make Grandmaster this season but it is great to see you are getting really serious about Starcraft 2 now, even if the stream is a little quieter.
I am guessing Korea would be an amazing experience and the food should be really good for you as well.
People who go on about him yelling while coaching just don't get it, on rare occasions, he gets excited and yells when he says to do something and they just don't do it. It is quite amusing to watch at times, it pushes important points but he is never disrespectful to the students. Watching the lessons he shows online, I think he does a pretty good job for most students. I think he once said something about really trying to brand certain points on someone so they really get it - and maybe the repeated excitement gets that done.
Last time I looked, he had some sample coaching sessions on his site, People can watch them to know the style of coaching he has, to see if it would suit them.
On September 28 2011 12:21 HereticSaint wrote: It's getting ridiculous that people jump on someone because they see them BM once or twice and start going on some bullshit witch hunt. Half the people featured on TL BM more than desRow from what I've seen as I like to watch around. That doesn't mean you start shitting up their legitimate threads with your personal opinions, if anything people who have actual, "BM" problems should be addressed and I'm not going to point any fingers but it's more than obvious who those people are.
Well said, any BM I have ever seen is a rarity, in context, usually amusing and not really an issue.
He usually has a mods no ban policy in Chat and puts up with a lot of rubbish from lame trolls in there before giving someone a flick from chat.
Go desRow. I support you even if you are a little bm. what i like about desrow is that he's very consistent, comments his stream, hes funny and usually streams in the morning Eastern time. I get to wake up and drink my morning coffee while watching.
Without doubt you're obnoxious at certain points, but nonetheless I hope you the best of lucks in your future endeavours. Progaming is just to much pressure in general, kudos to you sir.
Despite not being a tier 1 pro, I believe desrow has the best interests of e-sports at heart. He coaches and treats his students with respect, helping broad the SC2 audience and puts up great showmatches on his own dime.
I will definitely be following these showmatches
The last one vs BratOK was great, even though it didn't quite go the way you probably hoped.
How is desrow a pro player when he isn't even in GrandMaster North America or Europe server? Fucking pathetic. Also LOL at competing in Korea with the top players in the world...
On September 28 2011 16:12 Kamais_Ookin wrote: How is desrow a pro player when he isn't even in GrandMaster North America or Europe server? Fucking pathetic. Also LOL at competing in Korea with the top players in the world...
Theres a lot of great players not in GM this season due to ridiculous competition between top players/hackers for single slots. I've had a top 15-50 GM even match MMR for about 2 months on 3 different accounts and I still haven't gotten in. Players like Axslav, Machine, Etc aren't in GM.
In fact, the vast majority of players who got into GM are fail this season, at least 100 of them. Classic "rising mmr" or w/e the heck its called for baddies who massgame like lMtStallion.
On September 28 2011 16:12 Kamais_Ookin wrote: How is desrow a pro player when he isn't even in GrandMaster North America or Europe server? Fucking pathetic. Also LOL at competing in Korea with the top players in the world...
Theres a lot of great players not in GM this season due to ridiculous competition between top players/hackers for single slots. I've had a top 15-50 GM even match MMR for about 2 months on 3 different accounts and I still haven't gotten in. Players like Axslav, Machine, Etc aren't in GM.
In fact, the vast majority of players who got into GM are fail this season, at least 100 of them. Classic "rising mmr" or w/e the heck its called for baddies who massgame like lMtStallion.
I heard pretty bad stories about desRow's attitude against his ex-students he coached... I hope you do well, and I hope you improve attitude to those people.
Been watching Des for months. He's a good caster, always in touch with his fans, he does get angry and gets frustrated, but who doesn't?
I appreciate some people don't rate him too highly, or seem to like to make personal comments, but he's trying to improve and get better with every day of play. Every pro started low and had to learn and train over time, he's doing just that. And given his schedule and rate of practice, he's serious about it.
We should support other SC2 players. I've never understood why other's insult people, do you feel better about yourselves? It's harmful, and to be honest, makes the e-sports community look immature, and pathetic. Constructive criticism is one thing, but weight jokes are just sad. Some kids here need to grow up and mature a bit.
desrow is such a good guy, with his own personality but still a nice person ! As we can see in the stream he host, he always share tips or words with his folks and the community !
I've watched your stream a few times during coaching lesson. I like how you show them a build, then guide them through it during a 1v1 with the reasons for each action. Best of luck to you!
not sure if were allowed to post anything critical without being banned from TL but hey:
ive learned more from watching demuslim whitera and rain than i could ever posisibly learn off desrow, its not his fault as a player or coach, its the system its self. People automatically assume because they are paying for something its a good service, when actually your just being shown builds from liquipedia and then told how to do them.
Demuslim has never shown a build order to anyone, however he will sit there explaining why he is doing what ever he is doing, be it scouting a ninja expo at 12 minutes just to be safe, or giving insight into what 2 bunkers at a terran ramp could be hiding.
Whitera focuses more on his own build orders and provides entertainment with special tactics, he explains why he does what he does and what he hopes to achieve from it.
Destiny shows you the mechanics, hes another good coach who wouldnt dream of forcing build orders onto people then telling them thats how they have to play.
Like i said this isnt a dig at desrow, just the coaching scene in general.
seem's people are too interested in making money by showing people how to win using a 1 base timing than actually teaching them how to play
Just because Desrow is better mannered now, doesn't erase the BM he had done in the past(there is objective proof out there). So when people recite memories of Desrow, they are NOT lying, it just may not reflect the recently "changed" Desrow.
If he is a good coach and helps students improve his manner should hardly matter as long as he treats his students well. I'm an exaggerated example, my students improve greatly while I remain a partial ass on ladder.
Thats like saying a teacher at a school who isn't popular isn't a good teacher. Thats makes absolutely no sense unless I am a prissy toolbox or just a bandwagoneer.
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
Are you joking? Coaches in real sports yell at their players all the time. In fact, I'm pretty sure that whatever you think desrow has done badly, it pales in comparison to any hard nosed basketball or football coach.
My best friend played college basketball and I spent a summer training with their team, the coach was the biggest asshole I've ever seen. You miss a defensive rotation in practice? You get yelled at and have to run laps until you throw up. Don't fill the lanes on a fast break in a game? You get benched and berated.
And it's not like that experience is uncommon in sports, it's very common. If you've never experienced that kind of coach you've never played sports at a high enough level.
This isn't some kinda happy go lucky fun handholding thing. If you're serious about getting good, better be ready to get yelled at. That will toughen you up and help you learn faster.
Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of strange that most of the supporting comments here are from posters with less than 10 posts? Marmz, the poster above me, for instance, has mostly only posted on DesRow threads to say things like "He's a great coach with lots of experience!"
On September 29 2011 01:05 Fateless wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of strange that most of the supporting comments here are from posters with less than 10 posts? Marmz, the poster above me, for instance, has mostly only posted on DesRow threads to say things like "He's a great coach with lots of experience!"
I don't understand what you are implying, if it was desrow creating fake accounts the mods would simply ban him. If its him asking his students to post in his threads, that seems like a smart thing to do and completely relevant to the discussion. I do not see what is wrong with that, and I don't see how having fewer posts discredits their opinions at all.
On September 29 2011 01:05 Fateless wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of strange that most of the supporting comments here are from posters with less than 10 posts? Marmz, the poster above me, for instance, has mostly only posted on DesRow threads to say things like "He's a great coach with lots of experience!"
I don't understand what you are implying, if it was desrow creating fake accounts the mods would simply ban him. If its him asking his students to post in his threads, that seems like a smart thing to do and completely relevant to the discussion. I do not see what is wrong with that, and I don't see how having fewer posts discredits their opinions at all.
hotbid, this is why you are the man.
it would take about 2 seconds for a mod to notice the IPs if it was des on multiple accounts, TL is bossmode when it comes to sniffing out smurf accounts.
Desrow is an absolutely fantastic coach and is easy to understand and get along with. This was my first coaching experience i am a Plat Terran on NA and EU and TvP was always a struggle with me and now i started to understand what timing is and how to be aggression and why. My problem was for months i would just sit there and make command centers and then like be maxed before the enemy and they would just roll me with a unit comp and sit on my production so my macro advantage was pointless.
I really recommend him, i am def going back for another lesson on tvz and cant wait.
On September 29 2011 01:23 Xeris wrote: probably his students ?
not everyone has 3495034890 posts on TL believe it or not, also doesnt make your opinion less valid
It's sort of strange that a low TL poster would be familiar with a fringe dude like DesRow though.
Well if you look at me, I have less than 20 posts. However, I have known TL since the release of sc2 beta and I have been reading stuff/learning builds/watching streams off these forums. It wasn't until recently that I created an account and actually started posting.
On September 29 2011 01:05 Fateless wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of strange that most of the supporting comments here are from posters with less than 10 posts? Marmz, the poster above me, for instance, has mostly only posted on DesRow threads to say things like "He's a great coach with lots of experience!"
I don't understand what you are implying, if it was desrow creating fake accounts the mods would simply ban him. If its him asking his students to post in his threads, that seems like a smart thing to do and completely relevant to the discussion. I do not see what is wrong with that, and I don't see how having fewer posts discredits their opinions at all.
Never said anything about post count discrediting someone's opinion, I was just making an observation, but I stand by it.
Desrow has earned a reputation for being very BM, to students, professional players, and even posters on TL. I open this thread and see 10+ posters whose entire posting history is over 50% praising Desrow and lauding his coaching ability. When we're talking about potentially thousands of dollars in coaching revenue on the line, spending a few hours on your friend's computers to improve your public image would make sense.
TBH I probably should have just kept this thought to myself: I don't think Desrow is actually doing this, and as far as I can tell, he's got plenty of people in line to pay him $25/hour for coaching.
Hot_Bid, I have nothing but respect for you. I appreciate what you do keeping TL running smooth and free of bullshit - I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes. But I don't think the mods would have an easy time of determining whether or not someone was smurfing if they simply went to their school computer lab / work / friend's house to create their new accounts. The mods on TL have proven themselves to be vigilant and intelligent in the past, and catch this kind of stuff all the time, but you would be fooling yourself if you think it's impossible to have a smurf account on TL.
So again, no discredit to the mods, no disrespect to anyone, I just thought it was odd that these people never login to TL except to praise Desrow. I do, however, completely accept that they're probably just his fans who don't post much.
Saw Desrow coaching alot of games. Even from hearing the sessions and seeing him play made my play better. I started of as a bronze and now i compete against high plats/diamonds in macro games. (al because of small tips and mechanics).His game sense is realy stunning and while his commentating sessions you can realy learn alot from him.
The world is full of trolls who make up storys , kids who like to troll. People who tell negative storys just to piss people off.
Desrow is a awesome person in his heart and always wants the best for his viewers and his students. You just cant simpely judge somewhon by seeing him 3 hours or so. I`ve watched him since about 4 mohnts and i learned alot from him. When the time comes i wil make sure to buy some hours of coaching =D.
Trolls can BM all they want . The onley thing what matters in life is that you follow your own path`s and thoughts, to follow your own dreams and goals no matter what .
To listen to a troll is just plain stupid. Trolls are just a diversion
Nah just kidding, I actually visited your stream once, first thing I saw was a split of workers in the start of the game and you clicked one group of 3 and missed the minerals and did the same with the second group and you said something like "sick split brah" and i laughed like hell! And now when I do bad splits I say the same thing to myself.
On September 29 2011 04:12 Fateless wrote: Never said anything about post count discrediting someone's opinion, I was just making an observation, but I stand by it.
You just implied it, which is the same thing. Interestingly enough, some of those posters have been registered on team liquid for longer than you. If like me, a big reader since before the Beta but I often feel at my skill level, there is no need to jump into strategy or put in senseless "oh I saw that coming .." messages on every news item that is posted. My guess is that a lot of genuine fans are dismayed at the haters that jump in and try to derail a thread.
On September 29 2011 04:12 Fateless wrote: Desrow has earned a reputation for being very BM, to students, professional players, and even posters on TL.
He also has a reputation for great coaching of his students at very reasonable prices and has a stream that has been very entertaining in the past. You paint the wrong picture, as a long time watcher of his stream, often downloaded on the train to work each day, he is more likely to be laughing at funny cats videos on youtube or singing along to that Canadian avril singer than BM'ing anyone.
Funny thing is, if the haters don't like his stream they would not be watching it. Maybe they should try watching instead of trotting out the obvious rubbish that they see others coming out with.
Followed him since he started i think and he has the greatest stream of all. I mean if both White-Ra and him are streaming i actually choose Desrow :o I dont know what it is, he just seems very genuine and talks to viewers even though there are only 20 cause he just started.
And about bm, never experienced desrow doing that. Been following him for 1 year i think ? Dunno. I just know if you get popular on internet, people are going after you to demolish your reputation. Some people cant stand others getting popular, and thats what Desrow is. He is a very strong and well known person on TL.
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
double post, don't care.
Do you want to pay money to be insulted?
There is a HUGE difference between being a football coach and a private starcraft coach. If someone is paying you $25/hr to teach them a game, you don't do it in a condescending way.
If your job is to motivate athletes, then that's different.
On September 29 2011 04:41 MrHighlight wrote: good coach, knows his stuff. the pricing is superior to a lot of other pros as well, which is a big plus.
did he pay you to say something like that?
not disrespecting desrow, but he sucks at manner and not rly skilled...start coaching cause he beat idra one in a life time and tlo in a bad game, thats seems stupid to me
On September 29 2011 04:41 MrHighlight wrote: good coach, knows his stuff. the pricing is superior to a lot of other pros as well, which is a big plus.
did he pay you to say something like that?
not disrespecting desrow, but he sucks at manner and not rly skilled...start coaching cause he beat idra one in a life time and tlo in a bad game, thats seems stupid to me
LOL get out of this thread plz you have no idea what your talking about !
On September 29 2011 01:23 Xeris wrote: probably his students ?
not everyone has 3495034890 posts on TL believe it or not, also doesnt make your opinion less valid
It's sort of strange that a low TL poster would be familiar with a fringe dude like DesRow though.
You know i could be a friend of desrow i could be in his family i could be anything to desrow im just here to show him my support... Even with 8 TL post im sure i know more than you will never know about Sc2 / community since im active since the first day of the Beta.
On September 29 2011 01:05 Fateless wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of strange that most of the supporting comments here are from posters with less than 10 posts? Marmz, the poster above me, for instance, has mostly only posted on DesRow threads to say things like "He's a great coach with lots of experience!"
I don't understand what you are implying, if it was desrow creating fake accounts the mods would simply ban him. If its him asking his students to post in his threads, that seems like a smart thing to do and completely relevant to the discussion. I do not see what is wrong with that, and I don't see how having fewer posts discredits their opinions at all.
TL staff is just amazing u guys rock keep up the good work !!!
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
double post, don't care.
Do you want to pay money to be insulted?
I've seen football coaches punch their players. After insulting them. And before insulting them again.
Highly recommend trying to find any other coach rather than him while his stream might be "entertaining" enough for some , keep in mind ( and i'm addressing to diamond and lower ppl ) , at your current level any GM/Master can look good/awesome etc.
P.S. What's with all these <10 posts saying all of these "omfg gosu coach/player" etc things o.o'
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
double post, don't care.
Do you want to pay money to be insulted?
I've seen football coaches punch their players. After insulting them. And before insulting them again.
Then they're bad coaches.
.. hey if it helps the person they are coaching get better does it really matter how? as long as its within the border of legality / are natural ways of progressing (not steroids or any other substance)
Also you arn't paying to get insulted, you are paying to get good. And if getting good means you have to take a few insults to get there then so be it. Right? i think i restated my opinion twice in different ways..
On September 30 2011 02:35 RTudoRR wrote: Highly recommend trying to find any other coach rather than him while his stream might be "entertaining" enough for some , keep in mind ( and i'm addressing to diamond and lower ppl ) , at your current level any GM/Master can look good/awesome etc.
P.S. What's with all these <10 posts saying all of these "omfg gosu coach/player" etc things o.o'
No trolling intended , just stated facts.
Because the entire world doesn't post on TL? And possibly a lot of people who buy coaching from people are just forum lurkers / don't care about TL... but they want to defend their coach since they presumably like him/her?
I played against Desrow before on ladder but I didn't know it was him ( he had some wierd nick). Checked Naniwas stream a day or two after i lost vs him and saw that Desrow played him (where he said to Naniwa that he was Desrow, he stilled used his weird nick which was on EU). I was thrilled to have played a pro so I checked out his vods where he called me something along the lines of an "asshole" several times for trying a new build in PvP. Now I don't know anything about his coaching (it might be really good) but if you want to go with a safe coaching card, regarding being treated nicely, turn to players like iNcontrol. Just my 2 cents however as I said I don't know anything about his coaching.
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
double post, don't care.
Do you want to pay money to be insulted?
I've seen football coaches punch their players. After insulting them. And before insulting them again.
Then they're bad coaches.
.. hey if it helps the person they are coaching get better does it really matter how? as long as its within the border of legality / are natural ways of progressing (not steroids or any other substance)
Also you arn't paying to get insulted, you are paying to get good. And if getting good means you have to take a few insults to get there then so be it. Right? i think i restated my opinion twice in different ways..
Anyways DeSrOw Fighting
Ok, who the heck would pay to get punched and insulted? Giving criticism != being BM.
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
On September 28 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote: Being rude and BM is not what a good coach does. I'm pretty sure a football coach won;t be rude and condescending to his/her own players.
are you seriously... ROFL... "YOUR SLOWER THEN MY GRANDMOTHER" "LETS GO TWINKLE TOES KICK IT IN GEAR" etc amongst many other insults, heard by a player from a coach. i guess you never played football
double post, don't care.
Do you want to pay money to be insulted?
I've seen football coaches punch their players. After insulting them. And before insulting them again.
Then they're bad coaches.
.. hey if it helps the person they are coaching get better does it really matter how? as long as its within the border of legality / are natural ways of progressing (not steroids or any other substance)
Also you arn't paying to get insulted, you are paying to get good. And if getting good means you have to take a few insults to get there then so be it. Right? i think i restated my opinion twice in different ways..
Anyways DeSrOw Fighting
Ok, who the heck would pay to get punched and insulted? Giving criticism != being BM.
I'll repeat in case some people don't read the entire thread, I am a strict coach but I am not BM to my students and I have my student's interest at heart. I want them to succeed and will always go out of my way to answer all their questions on skype even if they haven't bought coaching from me in months.
I'll repeat in case some people don't read the entire thread, I am a strict coach but I am not BM to my students and I have my student's interest at heart. I want them to succeed and will always go out of my way to answer all their questions on skype even if they haven't bought coaching from me in months.
Also close to 200 entries for the raffle =)
Just BM to random people on the ladder including bronze players you are smurfing against eh?
Just thought I'd show some support, really been enjoying your stream lately! Not interested in the raffle myself since I am a filthy Zerg user But, GL HF in all your endeavors nevertheless.
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
On October 01 2011 14:37 Panzerfaust7 wrote: pay for lessons from a protoss is like paying for a gym membership to be weak.
That's actually kind of funny.
Desrow if I wasn't dirt poor at the moment then I would totally support your fund. Good luck, and I hope I catch your stream soon. Maybe it's just me and my new schedule but I don't feel like I catch it as much anymore
On October 01 2011 14:37 Panzerfaust7 wrote: pay for lessons from a protoss is like paying for a gym membership to be weak.
Ya and being a toss is all about the micro. A game can end very quickly regardless of strat and it often does. So the coaching can only help to a point for some of us. That is why I love these high level toss streams because (for what its worth) I can, second hand, experience those battles and learn good unit positioning and tricks to control. It always helps when the streamer answers questions too ^.^;;
Thanks for the gameplay and the technical commentary desRow<3
On October 01 2011 14:49 LuCiD37 wrote:
That's actually kind of funny.
desRow if I wasn't dirt poor at the moment then I would totally support your fund. Good luck, and I hope I catch your stream soon. Maybe it's just me and my new schedule but I don't feel like I catch it as much anymore
Sups LuCiD! I <3 Des' stream and I am broke at the moment too!
btw, how did you come by the gamer tag desRow anyways? does it mean anything?
On October 01 2011 14:37 Panzerfaust7 wrote: pay for lessons from a protoss is like paying for a gym membership to be weak.
Ya and being a toss is all about the micro. A game can end very quickly regardless of strat and it often does. So the coaching can only help to a point for some of us. That is why I love these high level toss streams because (for what its worth) I can, second hand, experience those battles and learn good unit positioning and tricks to control. It always helps when the streamer answers questions too ^.^;;
Thanks for the gameplay and the technical commentary desRow<3
desRow if I wasn't dirt poor at the moment then I would totally support your fund. Good luck, and I hope I catch your stream soon. Maybe it's just me and my new schedule but I don't feel like I catch it as much anymore
Sups LuCiD! I <3 Des' stream and I am broke at the moment too!
btw, how did you come by the gamer tag desRow anyways? does it mean anything?
its a japenese rock band ^_ ^ if the word means anything i dont know
Desrow kinda earned my respect through time. At first I wasn't actually impressed by his play, but when there was noone really good streaming I was turning on his stream. After some time I realised he is a really good player too. I really admire his attitude when it comes to practise (changing the sleep schedule to be able to practise with koreans). I'm not sure why he is getting so much shit in this topic. Yelling at students? Never seen him doing that, but even if so - if you wanna be good, it is better to have someone shout at you when you are doing something wrong other than being praised, even though you really suck.
I'm not Desrows student or fanboy. Just a regular guy who likes to watch people play this game on high level. When it comes to toss (I don't really like the race) I only watch Whitera and desrow. Even though there might be some other toss players I just accustomed to watching des. I like his commentary.
Keep up the good work dood. If you wanna be the best never take haters into consideration. Stick with your practise routine and I'm sure you'll start to shine in foreign Tournaments more and more.
Desrow has consistently been one of the more enjoyable and entertaining streamers on TL who has kept on streaming despite taking a lot of flame. He has been consistent to his fans and is taking an initiative to improve a lot by playing on KR server. He is emotional but for his fans he is very inspiring and gives great insight. Maybe he has a long way to go to be a top player but so do a lot of players. What I love about desrow is he has always streamed, commentated, and been great to his fans regardless of how poorly he has been playing and I think his determination is an inspiration to a lot of middle level pros. A lot of middle level pros could learn a lot from desrows ability to constantly be talked about, and in his ability to market himself. Some say his attitude is bad but IMO his attitude is an inspiration because high or low he has always streamed for his fans, and has always been relentless in trying to get better and market himself more. His resilience is awesome. So many mid level pros just don't have the composure and confidence to be able stream constantly, and keep up his marketing. How many have tried and fallen into the background? Desrow hangs around. Desrow fighting!!
Love the stream <3 I have been watching for some time now, back when you didn't have much of a viewer count, always great to see another great stream bro. Haters love to hate, because they wish they had your life! <3
Just watched the most epic desrow game ever, that was just nailbiting!! Esports needs people like him, not every single person is the best there has to be a 2nd best! thats decent in a 7billion pop planet!
GL Desrow! Really hope you make it big, your stream is fantastic. Your dedication is impassably inspirational only second to your consistent loyalty to your fans! You always stream even when your mood isn't that great, which I can't speak enough about. Most other players just turn off their streams. You can do it man!
desrow is a ridiculously sore loser, who can't take constructive criticism at ALL. Beware, watching his stream and telling him he needed ONE sentry can get you banned or time out, ESPECIALLY after he loses. He can't get to GM on ANY server & if he can't coach himself, what makes you think he can coach someone else? I suggest if you guys want to grab some coaching, go to a PROFESSIONAL, because it is VERY clear that this gentlemen is NOT. P.S I look forward to watching you lose both of your showmatches ESPECIALLY the one with destiny, IF they ever happen, but besides that, congrats you lost a viewer + I'll make sure to tell EVERYONE I know whos ever watched your stream to stop. Best of luck in SC2 & in-life sir, you'll need it.
On October 02 2011 23:42 bRoKeNLaW wrote: desrow is a ridiculously sore loser, who can't take constructive criticism at ALL. Beware, watching his stream and telling him he needed ONE sentry can get you banned or time out, ESPECIALLY after he loses. He can't get to GM on ANY server & if he can't coach himself, what makes you think he can coach someone else? I suggest if you guys want to grab some coaching, go to a PROFESSIONAL, because it is VERY clear that this gentlemen is NOT. P.S I look forward to watching you lose both of your showmatches ESPECIALLY the one with destiny, IF they ever happen, but besides that, congrats you lost a viewer + I'll make sure to tell EVERYONE I know whos ever watched your stream to stop. Best of luck in SC2 & in-life sir, you'll need it.
lol I tell you to stop creating drama after the first timeout and next thing you do you go get banned on TL T_T
I make a living off this game, being told by bronze-low masters players right after a loss what they think I should have done can be frustrating. I dont always get mad and timeout viewers who do that but a timeout is harmless. I'll never perma ban someone for voicing their opinion as long as they are respectful. I wish you the best of luck in both stream watching and life as well. Have a good day =)
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
Why is that a stupid comment? Desrow is team less and therefore on a tight budget. Obviously his goal is to maximize exposure against cost. Playing in TL opens and online events that are cast to 5-10k viewers gets you way more exposure than playing in the open MLG bracket, while still being nearly free.
Also, plenty of great players have fallen in the open bracket qualifiers, its simply not an economically sensible expenditure.
Desrow i Appreciate the "new leaf" you've turned over, and hope you can end up making a name for yourself, you're a good guy.
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
Why is that a stupid comment? Desrow is team less and therefore on a tight budget. Obviously his goal is to maximize exposure against cost. Playing in TL opens and online events that are cast to 5-10k viewers gets you way more exposure than playing in the open MLG bracket, while still being nearly free.
Also, plenty of great players have fallen in the open bracket qualifiers, its simply not an economically sensible expenditure.
Desrow i Appreciate the "new leaf" you've turned over, and hope you can end up making a name for yourself, you're a good guy.
Have a good one
Thank you i was to tired to react to this troll who doesent know anything about the current sitiuation . Most people just blindly assume things while thinking they are smart. Those people are the hardest trolls ever T.T
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
Why is that a stupid comment? Desrow is team less and therefore on a tight budget. Obviously his goal is to maximize exposure against cost. Playing in TL opens and online events that are cast to 5-10k viewers gets you way more exposure than playing in the open MLG bracket, while still being nearly free.
Also, plenty of great players have fallen in the open bracket qualifiers, its simply not an economically sensible expenditure.
Desrow i Appreciate the "new leaf" you've turned over, and hope you can end up making a name for yourself, you're a good guy.
Have a good one
Lots of good players have fallen out of their pro teams as well. And this guy is not even in a team yet. Do you think its cheaper to fly to Korea than to play at the MLG Qualifier ? Getting a good placement at MLG and getting yourself flown to Korea by your new team would be way cheaper. The TLOpen might give some exposure but its proboably not a enough of an achivement that will make a top team recruit you. Do you really think a player that cant get through the bracket of mostly low tier players can make it to a pro team in Korea ? To be fair, desrow has shown nothing compared to the other players that have been sent to Korea like Jinro, Huk, Idra and Naniwa,
Edit: That being said, I really hope it works out for you and that you manage to show some great results at a big competition. I think MLG is a good way to start. Going to Korea right away isnt such a great idea unless youre willing to pay for it by yourself.
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
Why is that a stupid comment? Desrow is team less and therefore on a tight budget. Obviously his goal is to maximize exposure against cost. Playing in TL opens and online events that are cast to 5-10k viewers gets you way more exposure than playing in the open MLG bracket, while still being nearly free.
Also, plenty of great players have fallen in the open bracket qualifiers, its simply not an economically sensible expenditure.
Desrow i Appreciate the "new leaf" you've turned over, and hope you can end up making a name for yourself, you're a good guy.
Have a good one
Thank you i was to tired to react to this troll who doesent know anything about the current sitiuation . Most people just blindly assume things while thinking they are smart. Those people are the hardest trolls ever T.T
Im sorry but your post didnt say shit. Are all your 9 posts of this much content ?
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
Why is that a stupid comment? Desrow is team less and therefore on a tight budget. Obviously his goal is to maximize exposure against cost. Playing in TL opens and online events that are cast to 5-10k viewers gets you way more exposure than playing in the open MLG bracket, while still being nearly free.
Also, plenty of great players have fallen in the open bracket qualifiers, its simply not an economically sensible expenditure.
Desrow i Appreciate the "new leaf" you've turned over, and hope you can end up making a name for yourself, you're a good guy.
Have a good one
Lots of good players have fallen out of their pro teams as well. And this guy is not even in a team yet. Do you think its cheaper to fly to Korea than to play at the MLG Qualifier ? Getting a good placement at MLG and getting yourself flown to Korea by your new team would be way cheaper. The TLOpen might give some exposure but its proboably not a enough of an achivement that will make a top team recruit you. Do you really think a player that cant get through the bracket of mostly low tier players can make it to a pro team in Korea ? To be fair, desrow has shown nothing compared to the other players that have been sent to Korea like Jinro, Huk, Idra and Naniwa,
Edit: That being said, I really hope it works out for you and that you manage to show some great results at a big competition. I think MLG is a good way to start. Going to Korea right away isnt such a great idea unless youre willing to pay for it by yourself.
On September 28 2011 01:06 FederigoEU wrote: why not competing in mlg´s ? Or find a Team that sends you to Korea and do a Code A Qualifier :> , you way seems to me like a Hollywood Dream thingy , but i wish you good luck with that
hes trying to get a team and you apperantly dont know how the qualifier works as there is no exposure.
Please dont even open your mouth before knowing something ^^
This was the most stupid comment Ive read in a while. He obviously meant that he should play in the qualifiers and get in to the tournament. If he got no chance of doing that I think his chances in Korea are more than slim.
Why is that a stupid comment? Desrow is team less and therefore on a tight budget. Obviously his goal is to maximize exposure against cost. Playing in TL opens and online events that are cast to 5-10k viewers gets you way more exposure than playing in the open MLG bracket, while still being nearly free.
Also, plenty of great players have fallen in the open bracket qualifiers, its simply not an economically sensible expenditure.
Desrow i Appreciate the "new leaf" you've turned over, and hope you can end up making a name for yourself, you're a good guy.
Have a good one
Thank you i was to tired to react to this troll who doesent know anything about the current sitiuation . Most people just blindly assume things while thinking they are smart. Those people are the hardest trolls ever T.T
Im sorry but your post didnt say shit. Are all your 9 posts of this much content ?
Quoting the OP
I am currently trying to join a Korean pro house. This means playing on the Korean ladder on a daily basis and competing in the ESV Korean weekly every Saturday at 5am. I had to change my sleep schedule to 7pm-3am so I can try and impress Koreans by beating a notable player. If I succeed, I will be paying my way over there out of my own pocket in order to pursue my dream. I would like to thank all who have bought and continued to buy coaching from me, it's helped me tremendously.
so yea getting quality training for 3month-1year > MLG =P but thanks for wishing me good luck ^_ ^
just finished a coaching lession about PvT with desrow. Really high quality analysis of the replays and he really wants to help. He really knows what starcraft is all about and already i feel like im improved just by listening to his suggestions.
If I have any questions about matchups i will absolutley contact him! :D <3
Its quite funny. he was joining a different skype call with Catz and he started to make fun of the player who was being coached at the time by Destiny... such a sad way to make fun of players. and if he loses a game he rages... GG on being coached by him... not worth your money...
On October 04 2011 02:38 cbRRRR wrote: just finished a coaching lession about PvT with desrow. Really high quality analysis of the replays and he really wants to help. He really knows what starcraft is all about and already i feel like im improved just by listening to his suggestions.
If I have any questions about matchups i will absolutley contact him! :D <3
big big thanks!
this. I just took 1h lesson (damn it's short !) so i believe i will feedback later =)
desrow is by far one of the most consistent streamers on TL. Really great to see such a dedicated member of the community. If you missed the interview I did with him, check it; http://www.zyori.tv/thegosucomplex/view.php?n=3&p=desRow
On October 14 2011 14:01 EricHarman wrote: DesRow coaching rocks! He took me from mid platinum to high diamond. I highly recommend that you guys buy lessons from him.
Just had my coaching session with desRow today, I found it really useful! We went over some troubles I had with no gas FE PvT and extended into trying to fix some fundamental problems I've been having with the match up. He provided a really insightful lesson and a bunch of replays to help me out too! I'd highly recommend him for coaching, I definitely feel like my time was well spent!
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