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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
This is a convo I had with my guild leader the other day, Me: medica 2 is amazing, I love it. GL: hurry up and get to Heavenward to run Alexander with me Me: working on it GL: seriously, if you cast medica2 I don't care if you go back, just help me, these healers are pants on head. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 01 2015 00:06 AsmodeusXI wrote: You might as well ONLY stream stuff you like; there doesn't seem to be a point putting yourself through something you don't want to do just for the stream. I think I'd rather watch something you enjoyed playing rather than a request that bored you. I wish I could either send you the stream link or a full transcription of the "Art of the Table: GMing Beyond the Basics" panel I went to. Alas, 'twas not streamed and I'm not THAT good at taking notes. One of the final messages though was "anyone can be a GM." I promise you could enjoy it if you wanted to, but (again) if you don't think you would then there ya go. Play for days instead. The best thing for me is that the worlds you create never go away. My first campaign with friends was set on a moderately sized island divided by a mountain range. After the TPK, the second campaign picked up on the other side of the mountain range, continuing the original story from the perspective of the other army. I know since then, my friend has created a spin off campaign featuring one of his old characters from my world as an NPC in his. From what I've heard, it's a pseudo-prequel to my campaigns. This new campaign I'm making doesn't even have a map yet. I'm enjoying fleshing out a "home base" city for this crime syndicate, making their setting mean more to them. As I build out the world, I could link it to the one I've already made, maybe featuring agents and characters that my friends already know. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On September 01 2015 00:21 Crusnik wrote: None of you know pain until you run Aurum Vale with a Warrior tank. Fuck. That. Place. And fuck Warriors, holy shit. This is a convo I had with my guild leader the other day, Me: medica 2 is amazing, I love it. GL: hurry up and get to Heavenward to run Alexander with me Me: working on it GL: seriously, if you cast medica2 I don't care if you go back, just help me, these healers are pants on head. This is why you PLD (look at me like i know what i'm talking about as a level 49 MNK) On September 01 2015 00:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: The best thing for me is that the worlds you create never go away. My first campaign with friends was set on a moderately sized island divided by a mountain range. After the TPK, the second campaign picked up on the other side of the mountain range, continuing the original story from the perspective of the other army. I know since then, my friend has created a spin off campaign featuring one of his old characters from my world as an NPC in his. From what I've heard, it's a pseudo-prequel to my campaigns. This new campaign I'm making doesn't even have a map yet. I'm enjoying fleshing out a "home base" city for this crime syndicate, making their setting mean more to them. As I build out the world, I could link it to the one I've already made, maybe featuring agents and characters that my friends already know. This is why I'm never upset if I make something you guys miss. It'll come back. Maybe not for these characters, maybe not for these players, but the ideas will resurface ALWAYS. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Now I'm not gonna watch it for another 6 months, probably (the time it took me to play roughly 20 hours of Child of Light; imagine how long it'll take me to redo Umineko eps 1-4 then get around to do 5-8! I was jobless when I went through 3 and most of 4). | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Monday again. Swedish pop artists. One of my moms favourite artists. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 01 2015 00:19 Requizen wrote: I like playing against other players. I don't like playing against my teammates. By and far the most aggravating portion of any multiplayer online game are the players you play with. Someone on the other team is being a dick? Outplay him and kill him, it feels good. Someone on your team is being a dick? Nothing you can do about it except try to ignore them, but if you ignore them and throw the game to piss you off well then there's nothing you can do about that. I have no problem losing a game against someone who outplays me. I don't even have a problem losing to a jerk who is smack talking. That just means I have room to grow as a player. But there's no growth you can have as a player to make your teammates play better. Sure, you can get good enough to maybe carry if they're just bad, but when a team member plays like crap, throws on purpose, and then destroys team morale in team chat, you can only just kind of move on with the next game and there's nothing to be done. I hate that. It's not even the person - I just hate feeling like there's nothing I can do. I hate when things out of my control make things worse. It's not just games either, I get easily frustrated when something annoying or bad is happening and I have no control over it. You should see how pissed I get at red lights. And that's the worst part. I love League. I really do. The characters, the map, the eSports, the game itself - I love it all. But I get so annoyed at the shitters in the community that it just ruins the whole thing for me. Sorry Not really trying to give you too much grief in being frustrated about it. Everyone gets frustrated. I'm mostly just curious why you let it get to you as much as it does. It's something you repeat often, but why? Who cares what your teammates do as long as you prioritize enjoying the game for yourself On September 01 2015 00:02 Ketara wrote: I think Requizen and Wave just don't like playing games against other people. Or against other people they don't know. Any time they play a PvP game they "burn out" inside of a couple weeks. And Monte, have some faith. The live action Kenshin movies are fantastic. Hmm, that's something I did not think about before. Even if it seems you are wrong about it, it's still an interesting way to look at it. Thanks | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Beatles The Otter and I are considering this being our first dance Or this | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 01 2015 00:02 Ketara wrote: I think Requizen and Wave just don't like playing games against other people. Or against other people they don't know. Any time they play a PvP game they "burn out" inside of a couple weeks. And Monte, have some faith. The live action Kenshin movies are fantastic. This is factually untrue. I am hugely competitive and I love PvP games. What PvP games have I 'burnt out' from? On September 01 2015 00:06 AsmodeusXI wrote: You might as well ONLY stream stuff you like; there doesn't seem to be a point putting yourself through something you don't want to do just for the stream. I think I'd rather watch something you enjoyed playing rather than a request that bored you. I wish I could either send you the stream link or a full transcription of the "Art of the Table: GMing Beyond the Basics" panel I went to. Alas, 'twas not streamed and I'm not THAT good at taking notes. One of the final messages though was "anyone can be a GM." I promise you could enjoy it if you wanted to, but (again) if you don't think you would then there ya go. Play for days instead. Well I mean for me, Dming multiple campaigns doesn't seem like something I'd ever be able to do. If I were to create one now that would likely be it, and considering my 7-page treatise on Amak'thos it would be a LOT of time spent. It's not that I wouldn't enjoy it, because I would enjoy it immensely, but I think ultimately due to how much of a perfectionist I am with the very few things I create, I'd probably end up being disappointed with something. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 01 2015 00:37 ketchup wrote: Not really trying to give you too much grief in being frustrated about it. Everyone gets frustrated. I'm mostly just curious why you let it get to you as much as it does. It's something you repeat often, but why? Who cares what your teammates do as long as you prioritize enjoying the game for yourself It's a competitive thing. If I'm playing something competitive, I play to win. Against friends and strangers alike. And like I said, if I lose from my own faults, that's fine. If I lose because of something completely out of my control, that's not ok and it just pisses me off more and more. It's not that I care if people are shit talking me. Words are wind. But when they make the game fall apart through poor play or intentionally doing stupid shit to piss off their own teammates, I just can't handle it. A game is 20 minutes at the shortest, with ~10 minutes for queue and picks/bans. That's a half hour that can be just freaking wasted from load screen. I have a very hard time getting "fun" out of that. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + <3 Ghandi But in League at least, you're at a level where you could easily be hard carrying games. You're just not realizing the dumb things you yourself are doing, you're seeing the dumb things your teammates do that you wouldn't do. They're seeing the dumb things you do that they wouldn't do, and everybody gets mad. If you really want to play the game and get better, there are lots of avenues and opportunities for you to do that and improve. If you don't want to improve and just want to goof off and have fun, you shouldn't let teammates or bad games or whatever get to you. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Change your attitude. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
It's super satisfying to have a tense situation, but because everyone on the team knows his job you manage to pull through and get the teamfight (or game) win. Part of the reason why I prefer longer teamfights (that and it's easier on my slowpoke processing power). So if somebody throws a teamfight or purpose, or screws up by being stubbornor unwilling to work together (picture that Tristana who Ws in several fights in a row even after someone told her something like "hey Trist, no need to jump in, just let us protect you, you're super farmed so it's fine"), it tends to annoy me. When someone gets fed on the other side of the map, technically I could have balanced it by just getting more fed myself or coming to shut him down in a bunch of cases, but the feeling of powerlessness no matter how hard you try can still be frustrating. You didn't do badly, you just didn't do good enough. And same reason I get so upset at stuff like server lag (trying to kite as Orianna only to cast the ball backwards) or bugs (weirdly enough noone in my group said anything when I linked them the thread where Riot acknowledges the skillshot bug) is because they're out of my control and if I get screwed by them, I didn't do anything wrong, I can't improve on that, I don't even learn like I would if I got trucked because I fucked up instead. (I heavily disliked Heroes because if a single person fucked up on the team, we were boned if our opponents had a clue, what with equal exp and stuff and them getting an objective or important level lead.) So I can certainly see the game being great on paper but you just not having a good day/week with it and wanting a break, when bad circumstances/streaks combine. Wave, have you considered making yourself overtake several tinier projects so that you learn not to care so much about the details, out of habit? I dunno if it'd help, but it could keep you busy too, if only until you fail not to scrutinise eveyr little thing on your first 2-3 projects.  | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But I would bet there are a lot of games you think are unwinnable that actually aren't. And if you make every game about yourself and say "how did I lose this game" and "what could I have changed to win this game" you'll see more opportunities to improve, and get less caught up in teammates that you can't change. That doesn't mean you won't have unwinnable games now and then, but realistically the unwinnable games are a statistical anomaly even if they don't seem like it in the present, and if you just keep playing you'll also have unloseable games to make up for them. But I mean I get it. It frustrates me too. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 01 2015 01:02 Ketara wrote: Everybody has unwinnable games, and it is legitimately and understandably frustrating. But I would bet there are a lot of games you think are unwinnable that actually aren't. And if you make every game about yourself and say "how did I lose this game" and "what could I have changed to win this game" you'll see more opportunities to improve, and get less caught up in teammates that you can't change. That doesn't mean you won't have unwinnable games now and then, but realistically the unwinnable games are a statistical anomaly even if they don't seem like it in the present, and if you just keep playing you'll also have unloseable games to make up for them. But I mean I get it. It frustrates me too. Maybe unwinnable isn't the right word. More like, legitimately way too annoying to actually win because your teammates are actively trying to make you lose. I get it. I could probably master a couple characters and then just play super hard and carry like a mofo every game if I cleaned up all the little standing issues in my gameplay. Again, I have no issue admitting that. But I think it's frustrating to be expected to do that as often as it happens. Why is it either an easy game or a game where you drag your team kicking and screaming across the finish line? The games that feel close and like an even competition feel few and far between, and I think that is just the most frustrating. I mean, I've done it. I've had games where I'm like 9-0 and just carrying my team into the enemy base while they're off durdling into the jungle without wards, getting killed. And it feels good. But I dunno why we have to play on Brutal that often when sometimes I just want to play on Normal. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Like, I am mechanically a silver league player, straight up. My CS is terrible, my skillshots are terrible, I can't flash over fuck all and I miss smites constantly. But I know a lot about the game and I was able to get diamond this season by making smart decisions and choices in the game and outplaying people that way. I think it's awesome that league is a game where I can beat mechanically better players by playing smarter than them. At the P1 D5 level you get a lot of people who are mechanically very gifted, but know Jack shit about the game and have no intention of playing with the team. Their mechanics carry them to high plat and then they hit a wall because they never learned how to play the game. And when I try to coordinate with people like that and work as a team and they just refuse, I get incredibly angry. So, I get it Req. I think we all do. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Pretigr8. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Talk about cancerous teammates holy shit. | ||
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