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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:13:43
August 10 2015 15:12 GMT
#6961
meh, the burglar is almost interesting. There are some ways to make it give the coin back if you play it T2 (like if you have backstab) or if the enemy just doesn't have early drops, but there are also quite a few scenarios when it doesn't get any value even on T2 and unlike a lot of other 2 drops that are played a lot (knife juggler, haunted creeper, mad scientist, shielded minibot) it's got virtually no value later on in the game. Overall my prediction is that the card doesn't have enough value to be played in midrange/oil rogue and it doesn't have enough tempo to be played in face rogue. Could be wrong though.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#6962
There's definitely some big Tempo plays you can make with it. Coin + Burglar T1 -> Coin + SI:5 T2. It's not the old Coin + Defias play but it's nice.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#6963
I agree with Wave that it's at least encouraging to see these ideas explored and implemented by Blizzard. Not crazy about the name of the card though lol.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 10 2015 15:16 GMT
#6964
On August 11 2015 00:12 Scip wrote:
meh, the burglar is almost interesting. There are some ways to make it give the coin back if you play it T2 (like if you have backstab) or if the enemy just doesn't have early drops, but there are also quite a few scenarios when it doesn't get any value even on T2 and unlike a lot of other 2 drops that are played a lot (knife juggler, haunted creeper, mad scientist, shielded minibot) it's got virtually no value later on in the game. Overall my prediction is that the card doesn't have enough value to be played in midrange/oil rogue and it doesn't have enough tempo to be played in face rogue. Could be wrong though.

This is the far more relevant drawback in my mind than "dies to removal turn 2".
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:21:29
August 10 2015 15:21 GMT
#6965
You guys need to discuss how it can be used in maly rgoue. Its the the deck where it could be viable.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 10 2015 15:22 GMT
#6966
On August 11 2015 00:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 00:12 Scip wrote:
meh, the burglar is almost interesting. There are some ways to make it give the coin back if you play it T2 (like if you have backstab) or if the enemy just doesn't have early drops, but there are also quite a few scenarios when it doesn't get any value even on T2 and unlike a lot of other 2 drops that are played a lot (knife juggler, haunted creeper, mad scientist, shielded minibot) it's got virtually no value later on in the game. Overall my prediction is that the card doesn't have enough value to be played in midrange/oil rogue and it doesn't have enough tempo to be played in face rogue. Could be wrong though.

This is the far more relevant drawback in my mind than "dies to removal turn 2".

This is the reason I hate using Zombie Chow. Turn 1, great body that can remove pretty much anything early game. Turn 4+, why would I ever use this card?
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 10 2015 15:25 GMT
#6967
On August 11 2015 00:22 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 00:16 TheYango wrote:
On August 11 2015 00:12 Scip wrote:
meh, the burglar is almost interesting. There are some ways to make it give the coin back if you play it T2 (like if you have backstab) or if the enemy just doesn't have early drops, but there are also quite a few scenarios when it doesn't get any value even on T2 and unlike a lot of other 2 drops that are played a lot (knife juggler, haunted creeper, mad scientist, shielded minibot) it's got virtually no value later on in the game. Overall my prediction is that the card doesn't have enough value to be played in midrange/oil rogue and it doesn't have enough tempo to be played in face rogue. Could be wrong though.

This is the far more relevant drawback in my mind than "dies to removal turn 2".

This is the reason I hate using Zombie Chow. Turn 1, great body that can remove pretty much anything early game. Turn 4+, why would I ever use this card?

Auchenai Soulpriest of course!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 10 2015 15:27 GMT
#6968
That doesn't really seem all that useful for Maly Rogue unless you're using it to fuel an Auctioneer, in which case you'd probably be better off using Clockwork Gnomes.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:31:06
August 10 2015 15:28 GMT
#6969
On August 11 2015 00:02 TheYango wrote:
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On August 10 2015 23:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
again, in current rogue decks that really isn't relevant since there isn't much else to keep that removal away from

Sure, but 2-drops that die to removal aren't fundamentally invalidated by that fact, given that nearly every 2-drop dies to removal, and in most cases forcing more powerful removal spells for early threats is still reasonable.

Not being good in current deck archetypes is an entirely different argument.

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 00:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Blizz is impressing me a little with where they're willing to go with new mechanics. This one I hope to see again---it exists in MTG currently as 'renown' but it isn't very good and the choice to deal damage to the player isn't up to the attacking player most of the time, making the mechanic far more interesting and potentially deep (at least as deep as HS goes) in HS.

Ehh, this isn't really Renown Wave. It's really just Thieving Magpie except it only gives you Coins rather than drawing cards.

The distinct part of Renown is the "only activates once" part, which lets them put different kinds of state-based effects that would be untenable or mechanically unwieldy otherwise.

Sorry it's more like the 'loot" mechanic which was never given an official keyword. I just associate it more with renown because it's what I'm more exposed to. More experienced players would have compared that to loot quicker.

Edit nvm I'm dumb it's not loot either. It's just an effect a few cards have had (Jhessian thief being the one in magic origins )
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:30:32
August 10 2015 15:29 GMT
#6970
On August 11 2015 00:22 Requizen wrote:
This is the reason I hate using Zombie Chow. Turn 1, great body that can remove pretty much anything early game. Turn 4+, why would I ever use this card?

You use it because having a dead draw against the decks it's good against doesn't matter if you survived to turn 4+ in the first place.

On August 11 2015 00:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry it's more like the 'loot" mechanic which was never given an official keyword. I just associate it more with renown because it's what I'm more exposed to. More experienced players would have compared that to loot quicker.

Well, no, it's not loot either, lol. "Looting" is "draw X cards, then discard X cards", named after Merfolk Looter.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 10 2015 15:32 GMT
#6971
Yeah I corrected myself again. I pretend to know tons about MTG now but I still make tons of mistakes like that.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 10 2015 15:35 GMT
#6972
Very good chance I'll be streaming Rocket League tonight
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 10 2015 15:36 GMT
#6973
lol the DotA hype instantly died the moment TI ended and you discovered RL

Typical soniv, tbh.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 10 2015 15:37 GMT
#6974
On August 11 2015 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah I corrected myself again. I pretend to know tons about MTG now but I still make tons of mistakes like that.

Don't quit posting though Happy to see you on here.

You may have been thinking of Jeskai elder which has the "Magpie" effect but looted instead of only draw.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 10 2015 15:39 GMT
#6975
On August 11 2015 00:36 TheYango wrote:
lol the DotA hype instantly died the moment TI ended and you discovered RL

Typical soniv, tbh.


100% game ADD

It's been a while since I've gotten so sucked into a game like I have with Rocket League, and I've only played for a night. But part of it is that RL games are super quick and hype and I feel like I'm contributing.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 10 2015 15:42 GMT
#6976
What makes that game fun exactly? I've seen people playing it and it just doesn't seem interesting to me. In fact it seems like it would be really frustrating to get the ball to go where you want.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:50:07
August 10 2015 15:49 GMT
#6977
On August 11 2015 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
What makes that game fun exactly? I've seen people playing it and it just doesn't seem interesting to me. In fact it seems like it would be really frustrating to get the ball to go where you want.


The controls are very simple. Despite that, there's still a bit of a learning curve with the physics and self/ball control, but once you start to grasp the basics, you start being able to do some pretty cool things. The game clock is only 5 minutes, but so much happens in that time. It's very fast paced, but still great casual fun when you're playing with friends. I was laughing for 4-5 hours straight last night.

You can fly with your rocket, drive on walls, crash through people and blow up their cars, bump people out of the way, make crazy saves...

Its elegance is in its simplicity.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 15:51:11
August 10 2015 15:49 GMT
#6978
On August 11 2015 00:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Very good chance I'll be streaming Rocket League tonight


I will be there Sonivbro. + Show Spoiler +
unless I'm not, but I hope to be


On August 11 2015 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
What makes that game fun exactly? I've seen people playing it and it just doesn't seem interesting to me. In fact it seems like it would be really frustrating to get the ball to go where you want.


Watching it, to me, it's soccer with exploding, jumping, stunting cars, how is that not awesome
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 10 2015 15:50 GMT
#6979
On the sunscreen thing, HAHAHAHHAHA. I've had this farmer's tan since like April, no need for sun screen now.

I think I'm too tired to play dota today, but so FFXIV instead, unless I feel up for it later on after I eat and relax for a few hours in my own chair, because fuck red eye flights.

Granted, Las Vegas didn't disappoint, first thing I saw when I disembarked were slot machines and a gaming lounge, so yeah
Steam: rook492
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 10 2015 15:51 GMT
#6980
On August 11 2015 00:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2015 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
What makes that game fun exactly? I've seen people playing it and it just doesn't seem interesting to me. In fact it seems like it would be really frustrating to get the ball to go where you want.


The controls are very simple. Despite that, there's still a bit of a learning curve with the physics and self/ball control, but once you start to grasp the basics, you start being able to do some pretty cool things. The game clock is only 5 minutes, but so much happens in that time. It's very fast paced, but still great casual fun when you're playing with friends. I was laughing for 4-5 hours straight last night.

You can fly with your rocket, drive on walls, crash through people and blow up their cars, bump people out of the way, make crazy saves...

Its elegance is in its simplicity.

Do we have enough people to do some inhouses? I'd be down for some games. Also premade ranked 3v3s is coming later this month.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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