On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
This was some fascinating shit, for people who are at all interested in Speedrunning and/or Dark Souls. Highlights are Bed of Chaos and New Londo, but it's all insane. I can't believe someone beats this game in a little over 45 minutes ._.
On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
I am not saying shit about singers. Did you read what I wrote? No hidden meaning, no bs, read what I actually wrote.
On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
Maybe because, logically speaking, putting on a sweatshirt doesn't makes you a less caring person?
Yes, people aren't logical. Stereotypes exist because, at best, they are "useful" and as far as I can tell we'll never be rid of them and we might not even be able to fully live without them. At their worst though they create the divide between who's is worthy of affection and who isn't based on stuff like skin color, sexual orientation, or wealth (since wealth definitely affects your ability to present yourself).
So, as the observee, you don't want to put stumbling blocks in front of other people so that they can't understand you or won't listen. That would be impractical. But that doesn't justify you, as the observer, making the same mistake.
People should hang out on TS or something. This week has been far from desirable and it gets worse and I'm feeling the need for company. I'd stream but I'm not in an entertaining mood nor dobi want to compete with sdgq
On July 28 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: People should hang out on TS or something. This week has been far from desirable and it gets worse and I'm feeling the need for company. I'd stream but I'm not in an entertaining mood nor dobi want to compete with sdgq
On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
Maybe because, logically speaking, putting on a sweatshirt doesn't makes you a less caring person?
Yes, people aren't logical. Stereotypes exist because, at best, they are "useful" and as far as I can tell we'll never be rid of them and we might not even be able to fully live without them. At their worst though they create the divide between who's is worthy of affection and who isn't based on stuff like skin color, sexual orientation, or wealth (since wealth definitely affects your ability to present yourself).
So, as the observee, you don't want to put stumbling blocks in front of other people so that they can't understand you or won't listen. That would be impractical. But that doesn't justify you, as the observer, making the same mistake.
Fair points to make. Like you said, judging someone off of looks is expedient to quickly determine who is worthy of time and who isn't. While, I agree with you that it can be improper in practice, it's something that's nearly impossible to unlearn. The same way peacocks fluff up their feathers in order to find a mate we use clothing and our physical appearance to attract people of similar tastes and lifestyles.
I don't agree that wealth is an issue though. You can find anything at the thrift store for low-low prices. As far as sexual orientation goes I think, over time, the idea has become less scary. Again, it low minority practice homosexuality or bisexuality and that could scare people. Over time though, they've proven they're no different than anyone else outside of one sexual proclivity. The level of tolerance and understanding about sexual orientation in the last 20-30 years has improved staggeringly fast. Likely due in part by gay celebrities and the internet. As far as race goes, suffice it to say, I feel it typically follows a similar curve to LGBT community.
Some things that are nearly universal are traits like being fit and clothing choice. Especially clothing choice. Clothes throw up signals for people to interpret. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I wear my hoodie so I attract young people. I wear my 15 dollar suit to look successful and impressive. And that's really the message Hello Venus is trying to get across. That if you're hot you should have lots of fun and attract many people to you.
On July 28 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: People should hang out on TS or something. This week has been far from desirable and it gets worse and I'm feeling the need for company. I'd stream but I'm not in an entertaining mood nor dobi want to compete with sdgq
I'm on TS but as you could probably guess I'm watching TI.
On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
Maybe because, logically speaking, putting on a sweatshirt doesn't makes you a less caring person?
Yes, people aren't logical. Stereotypes exist because, at best, they are "useful" and as far as I can tell we'll never be rid of them and we might not even be able to fully live without them. At their worst though they create the divide between who's is worthy of affection and who isn't based on stuff like skin color, sexual orientation, or wealth (since wealth definitely affects your ability to present yourself).
So, as the observee, you don't want to put stumbling blocks in front of other people so that they can't understand you or won't listen. That would be impractical. But that doesn't justify you, as the observer, making the same mistake.
Fair points to make. Like you said, judging someone off of looks is expedient to quickly determine who is worthy of time and who isn't. While, I agree with you that it can be improper in practice, it's something that's nearly impossible to unlearn. The same way peacocks fluff up their feathers in order to find a mate we use clothing and our physical appearance to attract people of similar tastes and lifestyles.
I don't agree that wealth is an issue though. You can find anything at the thrift store for low-low prices. As far as sexual orientation goes I think, over time, the idea has become less scary. Again, it low minority practice homosexuality or bisexuality and that could scare people. Over time though, they've proven they're no different than anyone else outside of one sexual proclivity. The level of tolerance and understanding about sexual orientation in the last 20-30 years has improved staggeringly fast. Likely due in part by gay celebrities and the internet. As far as race goes, suffice it to say, I feel it typically follows a similar curve to LGBT community.
Some things that are nearly universal are traits like being fit and clothing choice. Especially clothing choice. Clothes throw up signals for people to interpret. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I wear my hoodie so I attract young people. I wear my 15 dollar suit to look successful and impressive. And that's really the message Hello Venus is trying to get across. That if you're hot you should have lots of fun and attract many people to you.
What I got from this is that you are almost certainly an able-bodied straight white cisperson and are very out of touch with what it's like to be other things. The extreme degree to which you're out of touch with these things shows your lack of education/knowledge/research in the politics of these things and relevant fields and ideas (sociology, cultural studies, gender studies, etc. // respectability politics, social constructivism, systemic oppression and social power, etc.). Your lack of knowledge in these fields perhaps explains why you seem disproportionately impressed with a not particularly deep or insightful message from a pop song.
I'm ok with interpreting the song that way, though.
On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
Maybe because, logically speaking, putting on a sweatshirt doesn't makes you a less caring person?
Yes, people aren't logical. Stereotypes exist because, at best, they are "useful" and as far as I can tell we'll never be rid of them and we might not even be able to fully live without them. At their worst though they create the divide between who's is worthy of affection and who isn't based on stuff like skin color, sexual orientation, or wealth (since wealth definitely affects your ability to present yourself).
So, as the observee, you don't want to put stumbling blocks in front of other people so that they can't understand you or won't listen. That would be impractical. But that doesn't justify you, as the observer, making the same mistake.
Fair points to make. Like you said, judging someone off of looks is expedient to quickly determine who is worthy of time and who isn't. While, I agree with you that it can be improper in practice, it's something that's nearly impossible to unlearn. The same way peacocks fluff up their feathers in order to find a mate we use clothing and our physical appearance to attract people of similar tastes and lifestyles.
I don't agree that wealth is an issue though. You can find anything at the thrift store for low-low prices. As far as sexual orientation goes I think, over time, the idea has become less scary. Again, it low minority practice homosexuality or bisexuality and that could scare people. Over time though, they've proven they're no different than anyone else outside of one sexual proclivity. The level of tolerance and understanding about sexual orientation in the last 20-30 years has improved staggeringly fast. Likely due in part by gay celebrities and the internet. As far as race goes, suffice it to say, I feel it typically follows a similar curve to LGBT community.
Some things that are nearly universal are traits like being fit and clothing choice. Especially clothing choice. Clothes throw up signals for people to interpret. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I wear my hoodie so I attract young people. I wear my 15 dollar suit to look successful and impressive. And that's really the message Hello Venus is trying to get across. That if you're hot you should have lots of fun and attract many people to you.
What I got from this is that you are almost certainly an able-bodied straight white cisperson and are very out of touch with what it's like to be other things. The extreme degree to which you're out of touch with these things shows your lack of education/knowledge/research in the politics of these things and relevant fields and ideas (sociology, cultural studies, gender studies, etc. // respectability politics, social constructivism, systemic oppression and social power, etc.). Your lack of knowledge in these fields perhaps explains why you seem disproportionately impressed with a not particularly deep or insightful message from a pop song.
I'm ok with interpreting the song that way, though.
Also not having a great day.
Calm down tumblr. This is the oddest conversation I've ever seen spawned from a music video and remember we discussed Me!Me!Me!.
On July 28 2015 06:12 Sonnington wrote: Hello Venus has done it again. They've put out a semicontroversial new video that everyone seems to be talking about. Their message is quite simplistic to point of nearly being existential in nature. Even so, it's worthy of deep thought and debate. While the song title 'I'm Ill' is actually being used in an ironic way as they are healthy and happy go lucky pretty young ladies. Along with being a group, Hello Venus' statement to outward beauty is quite to the contrary to Meghan Trainor. Their dancing is also quite a bit better than Trainor's, but admittedly easily subpar to where a girl group's choreography should be.
Wait its ironic? I thought the whole point of the lyrics is living a vapid lifestyle is self destructive.
Who's living a vapid lifestyle? They're quite talented musicians that work hard at their craft.
It's Kpop there are teams of people pushing out hit songs. They have never been more than loosely connected to the actual artists. It's using the decently common trope of partying is and looks are just an escape.
Edit: Did scip get his body pillow and what was it?
Are you trying to say singers aren't musicians or just that they're unimportant?
As someone who's worked in sales for many different types of businesses. I can assure you, when I dress in nice clothing, gel my hair properly, smell nice, with a clean cut face people will treat me more positively, which feels good. Conversely, on the weekends, when I don't shave and throw on an old black ripped up hoodie from high school with ghetto writing on the front. I'll go into a super market or store and I can easily tell a difference in the way people treat me and look at me which isn't pleasant.
People might say it's wrong to judge others due to their looks, but it's not simply superficial. People who take care of themselves care about themselves and the people around them more. Conversely, if you're not showing that you take care of yourself and wear thuggish clothing why should anyone believe that you care about them?
Maybe because, logically speaking, putting on a sweatshirt doesn't makes you a less caring person?
Yes, people aren't logical. Stereotypes exist because, at best, they are "useful" and as far as I can tell we'll never be rid of them and we might not even be able to fully live without them. At their worst though they create the divide between who's is worthy of affection and who isn't based on stuff like skin color, sexual orientation, or wealth (since wealth definitely affects your ability to present yourself).
So, as the observee, you don't want to put stumbling blocks in front of other people so that they can't understand you or won't listen. That would be impractical. But that doesn't justify you, as the observer, making the same mistake.
Fair points to make. Like you said, judging someone off of looks is expedient to quickly determine who is worthy of time and who isn't. While, I agree with you that it can be improper in practice, it's something that's nearly impossible to unlearn. The same way peacocks fluff up their feathers in order to find a mate we use clothing and our physical appearance to attract people of similar tastes and lifestyles.
I don't agree that wealth is an issue though. You can find anything at the thrift store for low-low prices. As far as sexual orientation goes I think, over time, the idea has become less scary. Again, it low minority practice homosexuality or bisexuality and that could scare people. Over time though, they've proven they're no different than anyone else outside of one sexual proclivity. The level of tolerance and understanding about sexual orientation in the last 20-30 years has improved staggeringly fast. Likely due in part by gay celebrities and the internet. As far as race goes, suffice it to say, I feel it typically follows a similar curve to LGBT community.
Some things that are nearly universal are traits like being fit and clothing choice. Especially clothing choice. Clothes throw up signals for people to interpret. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I wear my hoodie so I attract young people. I wear my 15 dollar suit to look successful and impressive. And that's really the message Hello Venus is trying to get across. That if you're hot you should have lots of fun and attract many people to you.
What I got from this is that you are almost certainly an able-bodied straight white cisperson and are very out of touch with what it's like to be other things. The extreme degree to which you're out of touch with these things shows your lack of education/knowledge/research in the politics of these things and relevant fields and ideas (sociology, cultural studies, gender studies, etc. // respectability politics, social constructivism, systemic oppression and social power, etc.). Your lack of knowledge in these fields perhaps explains why you seem disproportionately impressed with a not particularly deep or insightful message from a pop song.
I'm ok with interpreting the song that way, though.
Also not having a great day.
Calm down tumblr. This is the oddest conversation I've ever seen spawned from a music video and remember we discussed Me!Me!Me!.
Based on disproportionate frustration at the moment. I don't mean to imply that I think Sonnington is a bad or doing a bad, though, for what that's worth.
How the hell did this come up talking about a K pop video? I think you're reading way way too much into this.K pop is just mass manufactured stuff by people who spent a lot of time training in dancing and singing. Usually the label basically makes the band and dictates most stuff (at least I think so. I paraphrased from Daniel Tudor. Hopefully not to inaccurately.
On July 28 2015 10:19 suicideyear wrote: yeah who's watching TI5
sonneiko is a beast
I am although I have no idea what I'm watching, I miss the noob stream.
On July 28 2015 10:25 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: How the hell did this come up talking about a K pop video? I think you're reading way way too much into this
EPT
