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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 14 2015 22:07 GMT
#4161
On July 15 2015 06:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
So thinking about standard. Or even moden I suppose...
How do aggro decks get around inevitable board wipes?
Eg. Will turn 4 languish just autolose me the game?


Same way Hearthstone works - kill them by turn 5 or lose.

wellll face hunter often kills turns 7-9 in my experience, the trick is that because he's threatening lethal really quickly the other person can't get to play any of their high value cards.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 14 2015 22:18 GMT
#4162
On July 15 2015 07:07 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 06:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
So thinking about standard. Or even moden I suppose...
How do aggro decks get around inevitable board wipes?
Eg. Will turn 4 languish just autolose me the game?


Same way Hearthstone works - kill them by turn 5 or lose.

wellll face hunter often kills turns 7-9 in my experience, the trick is that because he's threatening lethal really quickly the other person can't get to play any of their high value cards.


Sure.

To be fair, I tolerate aggro MtG decks more than Hearthstone, especially face hunter. For starters, in MtG, you don't get 2 free damage every turn.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
July 14 2015 22:23 GMT
#4163
The difference is that control decks in hearthstone are much less likely to stabilize at lower HP's because "burst damage" is much more prevelant in hs. When I play control decks its not uncommon to take 15-17 points of damage before turn 4, only to sweep the board clean while he has only 2 cards left in hand.

The reason why I'm pushing for wave to play red, is mostly because statistically speaking, red decks have the highest win percentages in the early stages after a rotation. Control decks are developed after those first few months because people have had time to develop their answers to the lines of play that aggro and combo decks have created.

In the past 3 post rotation pts, 20 out of 24 decks in the top 8s have been some type of aggro variant. Where as 2 or the other 4 were combos and control decks. However, both of the control decks in those top 8s ended up winning those pts.

The exception to this rule might bebthe pro tour at the end of this month because it falls in line before the rotation so the control decks will still have all their toys and answers for this meta. The real test will be to see if the new cards from the set can over throw our dragon overlords. Odds are not likely and I'm expecting a real resident sleeper of a pt.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 14 2015 22:39 GMT
#4164
It's not just "burst damage"--aggro decks in MtG have a generally harder time pushing through damage once they've lost board control. The difference in attack/block mechanics makes it far harder for an aggro deck that's lost board control to hit your face with dudes. This means that the aggro deck needs to rely on burn spells to finish off that last bit of damage, but even then control decks have tools to interact with cards yet unplayed, whereas in HS, these tools essentially don't exist.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 14 2015 22:43 GMT
#4165
Oh man, Sonata Arctica released Ecliptica: Revisited last year. This is pretty wonderful.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
July 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#4166
For people who read,

Ernest Cline's new book Armada is out today. Its probably not going to be the best book since Ready Player One, but I'm enjoying it as a light read so far.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 14 2015 23:12 GMT
#4167
I still need to go back and finish Ready Player One.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 14 2015 23:18 GMT
#4168
On July 15 2015 07:39 TheYango wrote:
It's not just "burst damage"--aggro decks in MtG have a generally harder time pushing through damage once they've lost board control. The difference in attack/block mechanics makes it far harder for an aggro deck that's lost board control to hit your face with dudes. This means that the aggro deck needs to rely on burn spells to finish off that last bit of damage, but even then control decks have tools to interact with cards yet unplayed, whereas in HS, these tools essentially don't exist.

Subterranean scout+ goblin piledriver/rabblemaster helps with the ability to push through damage. With only those two cards with that synergy I was able to get some solid damage through, so ibthink maybe in should have heeded my friends advice and played piledriver day 1 when I also had dragon fodder, two scouts and the menace goblin on top of everything.

Are any of the new burn cards going to played? I have two Chandra's ignition but they don't seem aggro playable. Exquisite firecraft probably? Anything else?
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
July 14 2015 23:19 GMT
#4169
On July 14 2015 13:19 sung_moon wrote:
So I got a new comp, and ask my one buddy returning from serving what should we play now that he's living the civilian life.

His answer?

Brood War. Oh boy the memories.....

Anybody here even play SC2 anymore (or keep up with the scene)?

I still play StarCraft 2 regularly, but I don't follow the pro scene at all. That being said, StarCraft 2 is my favorite e-sport to watch.

On July 15 2015 03:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 03:00 Numy wrote:
What the fuck. Your KFCs have things other than chicken?


Oh man.

America is really the dream.

Yeah I just got back from Alaska and I gotta say, America has got so many snack foods that just simply don't exist in Canada. I didn't realize so many flavors of Mountain Dew existed!
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 00:23:19
July 15 2015 00:23 GMT
#4170
Omg Mang0 is streaming practice with S2J and Leffen
so awesome
http://www.twitch.tv/mang0

Evo 2015 HYPE
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 15 2015 00:24 GMT
#4171
On July 15 2015 09:23 Scip wrote:
Omg Mang0 is streaming practice with S2J and Leffen
so awesome
http://www.twitch.tv/mang0

Evo 2015 HYPE

I just can't see Leffen not winning after how these last two majors went.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 15 2015 00:24 GMT
#4172
On July 15 2015 08:19 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 13:19 sung_moon wrote:
So I got a new comp, and ask my one buddy returning from serving what should we play now that he's living the civilian life.

His answer?

Brood War. Oh boy the memories.....

Anybody here even play SC2 anymore (or keep up with the scene)?

I still play StarCraft 2 regularly, but I don't follow the pro scene at all. That being said, StarCraft 2 is my favorite e-sport to watch.

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 03:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On July 15 2015 03:00 Numy wrote:
What the fuck. Your KFCs have things other than chicken?


Oh man.

America is really the dream.

Yeah I just got back from Alaska and I gotta say, America has got so many snack foods that just simply don't exist in Canada. I didn't realize so many flavors of Mountain Dew existed!

I'm the exact opposite. I watch the pro scene(KT HWIATING!) but don't play the game outside of campaigns. 1v1 RTS too stressful for me.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 15 2015 00:29 GMT
#4173
Well, the thing about SC2 is that for me it's the kind of game that's fun is you really really REALLY tryhard, but otherwise it's just not worth playing.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
July 15 2015 00:30 GMT
#4174
On July 15 2015 09:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 09:23 Scip wrote:
Omg Mang0 is streaming practice with S2J and Leffen
so awesome
http://www.twitch.tv/mang0

Evo 2015 HYPE

I just can't see Leffen not winning after how these last two majors went.


He showed some weakness in his sets last weekend, but yes at the last 3 tournaments he hasn't dropped a set (combined 27-0 in bracket sets against the whole community.)
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 15 2015 00:33 GMT
#4175
I'd give Leffen maybe like 40% chance to win? Which is still highest of all the players, but I definitely don't see him as the uncontested #1 at all.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 00:38:05
July 15 2015 00:37 GMT
#4176
On July 15 2015 09:33 Scip wrote:
I'd give Leffen maybe like 40% chance to win? Which is still highest of all the players, but I definitely don't see him as the uncontested #1 at all.

Before these past couple majors I might have agreed, but he really has Armada's number in the Fox dittos recently. Idk what the Vegas odds would be but I'd say he has the best chance of winning atm.

Edit: So i guess I actually do agree because he COULD lose but I don't see it happening baring major nerves/choke.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
July 15 2015 00:40 GMT
#4177
Just play dedicated anti-aggro decks, like Lightbomb/Deathlord priest. Then you need not fear hunters.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
July 15 2015 00:46 GMT
#4178
On July 15 2015 09:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 09:33 Scip wrote:
I'd give Leffen maybe like 40% chance to win? Which is still highest of all the players, but I definitely don't see him as the uncontested #1 at all.

Before these past couple majors I might have agreed, but he really has Armada's number in the Fox dittos recently. Idk what the Vegas odds would be but I'd say he has the best chance of winning atm.

Edit: So i guess I actually do agree because he COULD lose but I don't see it happening baring major nerves/choke.



Evo mango is always a god. Put him in losers early and he will crush you.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 15 2015 00:52 GMT
#4179
Playing Ramp Druid:

Draw amazingly on curve and completely dominate the board all game
OR
Sit with 2 Innervates and a Savage Roar in your had for 6 turns.

No in betweens
It's your boy Guzma!
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 15 2015 00:59 GMT
#4180
Druid is the best class for players who don't like making decisions
literally fewest decisions of any class lol.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
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