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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 10 2015 15:32 GMT
#3821
Yeah, I keep jumping back and forth between decks as well. Ramp takes some time to get used to, I don't like not having anything to do early game except maybe Keepers of the Grove. Also, I never know what to do with Innervates. Do I save them for combos later? Do I use them early to get out a quick Legendary or Ancient of War? It's like, the card has so much flexibility, but I'm never sure how to use it right.
It's your boy Guzma!
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
July 10 2015 15:35 GMT
#3822
You don't have chow in your ramp druid?
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 10 2015 15:37 GMT
#3823
Generally don't really save innervates, you want to get into a position where your opponent can't really clear each turn which gives you threat post turn 9. Innervate is a way for you to get threats on the board before he can deal with them. When you in a position where you can't see a way to win outside of double combo then keeping them makes sense.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 10 2015 15:37 GMT
#3824
Just don't burn Innervate x2 + Coin to put out something outrageous against a Rogue because the odds he kept a Sap are higher than the odds you got all these cards, and he will make you cry.

You can also see the situation from the other hand: Druid is super annoying because you know he'll have an answer to whatever you put out because of the flexibility of the "Choose one" mechanic.
(But whatever he does, Mage will have a better answer in the same situation.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
July 10 2015 15:38 GMT
#3825
Ugh, I've been playing scum hunter and scum paladin this season to rank up faster and learn how the decks flow a bit better. Took some getting used to (I typically play exclusively control warrior) but I think I've gotten better for it. Feels bad, though.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 10 2015 15:41 GMT
#3826
On July 11 2015 00:35 Eppa! wrote:
You don't have chow in your ramp druid?


IIRC, Req has an irrational hatred for chow
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
July 10 2015 15:41 GMT
#3827
On July 11 2015 00:37 Numy wrote:
Generally don't really save innervates, you want to get into a position where your opponent can't really clear each turn which gives you threat post turn 9. Innervate is a way for you to get threats on the board before he can deal with them. When you in a position where you can't see a way to win outside of double combo then keeping them makes sense.

No its the opposite, in ramp/wall druid you should always focus on curving out. In fast and midrange combo druid you are correct though since you want to end it on turn 9-13
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 15:48:33
July 10 2015 15:48 GMT
#3828
Ramp,fast,midrange combo are all kind of the same but slightly different curves. The only one that is different is Wall where you don't rely on combo to win. I've never seen a ramp druid that doesn't follow the normal combo win condition, they merely do it with a higher curve. So either we are talking about different things using the same names or I'm confused by what you mean.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 10 2015 16:10 GMT
#3829
Somebody hold Yango.

http://kotaku.com/new-baldurs-gate-announced-set-between-i-and-ii-1716992819
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 16:28:11
July 10 2015 16:25 GMT
#3830
Wow those graphics are terrible.

On July 11 2015 00:48 Numy wrote:
Ramp,fast,midrange combo are all kind of the same but slightly different curves. The only one that is different is Wall where you don't rely on combo to win. I've never seen a ramp druid that doesn't follow the normal combo win condition, they merely do it with a higher curve. So either we are talking about different things using the same names or I'm confused by what you mean.

The basic idea when playing ramp druid is that you either race or go for value. The slower the deck the more often you go for board. When you go for board curving out is more important than setting up early threats to get free damage.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
July 10 2015 16:33 GMT
#3831
Today I experience what western fans felt when they watched their home team getting stomped when I watched Qeeyou in ESWC
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 10 2015 16:37 GMT
#3832
On July 11 2015 01:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Somebody hold Yango.

http://kotaku.com/new-baldurs-gate-announced-set-between-i-and-ii-1716992819

I giggled a little.
Yangers I'll come to Philly again and you can rest your head in my lap.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 10 2015 16:47 GMT
#3833
Ugh, I hate it when you have a good deck that you like playing and feel comfortable with, but you still lose because draws and what not. Bleh.

On July 11 2015 00:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:35 Eppa! wrote:
You don't have chow in your ramp druid?


IIRC, Req has an irrational hatred for chow

Yes. Also, Chow was not in the Decklist for most Ramp Druids I saw.

On July 11 2015 00:48 Numy wrote:
Ramp,fast,midrange combo are all kind of the same but slightly different curves. The only one that is different is Wall where you don't rely on combo to win. I've never seen a ramp druid that doesn't follow the normal combo win condition, they merely do it with a higher curve. So either we are talking about different things using the same names or I'm confused by what you mean.

Good to know! I don't really know which one mine falls under, I just did this one, replacing Mind Control Tech with Ancient of War since I didn't have one.

I get to use FoN/Savage every now and then, but a lot of my wins just come from grinding people down behind huge dudes that I get quickly. Unless I draw poorly... in which case I just kinda die lol. It sucks sitting on Cenarius and Boom with no early game cards.
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 16:54:35
July 10 2015 16:52 GMT
#3834
On July 11 2015 01:25 Eppa! wrote:
Wow those graphics are terrible.

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:48 Numy wrote:
Ramp,fast,midrange combo are all kind of the same but slightly different curves. The only one that is different is Wall where you don't rely on combo to win. I've never seen a ramp druid that doesn't follow the normal combo win condition, they merely do it with a higher curve. So either we are talking about different things using the same names or I'm confused by what you mean.

The basic idea when playing ramp druid is that you either race or go for value. The slower the deck the more often you go for board. When you go for board curving out is more important than setting up early threats to get free damage.


I guess what I mean is that it's important to curve well but also to curve while using innervate. Sure you don't want the free damage that much but an early threat(That trades 2-1/3-1 etc.) can also stabilize the board for you if you keep curving after that.

@Req - Yea sometimes in Hearthstone you just lose the game without a hope due to draws. Just got to forget it and move on. Druid I find is a bit worse than most when it comes to draws since generally as Eppa! says you just play on curve, keep board then combo to win. There's not much "finesse" to druid lol. I think throw in a zombie chow instead of the Ancient of War. The MCT is meant to help your early game out so trading it for a late game threat may make the deck more inconsistent.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 10 2015 17:13 GMT
#3835
On July 11 2015 01:47 Requizen wrote:
Ugh, I hate it when you have a good deck that you like playing and feel comfortable with, but you still lose because draws and what not. Bleh.

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 11 2015 00:35 Eppa! wrote:
You don't have chow in your ramp druid?


IIRC, Req has an irrational hatred for chow

Yes. Also, Chow was not in the Decklist for most Ramp Druids I saw.

Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 00:48 Numy wrote:
Ramp,fast,midrange combo are all kind of the same but slightly different curves. The only one that is different is Wall where you don't rely on combo to win. I've never seen a ramp druid that doesn't follow the normal combo win condition, they merely do it with a higher curve. So either we are talking about different things using the same names or I'm confused by what you mean.

Good to know! I don't really know which one mine falls under, I just did this one, replacing Mind Control Tech with Ancient of War since I didn't have one.

I get to use FoN/Savage every now and then, but a lot of my wins just come from grinding people down behind huge dudes that I get quickly. Unless I draw poorly... in which case I just kinda die lol. It sucks sitting on Cenarius and Boom with no early game cards.


If you're finding yourself with a lot of late game threats in your hand too early, it's possible you need to mulligan more intelligently? Either that or just confirmation bias/too small sample set. If your curve is good, sure you'll end up unlucky sometimes, but usually things work out for the most part.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
July 10 2015 17:25 GMT
#3836
On July 11 2015 00:27 Numy wrote:
Only time Neo graces us with his presence is to flame me. I'm hard right now.


... No one gonna touch this?

On July 11 2015 01:33 niukasu1990 wrote:
Today I experience what western fans felt when they watched their home team getting stomped when I watched Qeeyou in ESWC


Hahaha, that's fair. I hope they pull off an upset or two!

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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 17:26:15
July 10 2015 17:25 GMT
#3837
ps Galio in EU LCS right now. Top lane.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 17:28:14
July 10 2015 17:28 GMT
#3838
On July 11 2015 02:25 JonGalt wrote:
ps Galio in EU LCS right now. Top lane.


whelp, there goes another champ I can't play anymore
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 10 2015 17:29 GMT
#3839
Gonna put Chow into Ramp. Lord forgive me.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 17:33:43
July 10 2015 17:33 GMT
#3840
On July 11 2015 01:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Somebody hold Yango.

http://kotaku.com/new-baldurs-gate-announced-set-between-i-and-ii-1716992819

Lol, I mean if the new content Beamdog added to BGI/BGII Enhanced is anything to go by, it's going to be pretty mediocre.

Really, InXile having assembled essentially the dream team of RPG game development for Bard's Tale IV is far more interesting. It includes not only big names in CRPG development like Chris Avellone and Colin McComb, but also well-known tabletop D&D writers you'd probably recognize Asmo like Monte Cook, Bruce Cordell, and Sean K. Reynolds.

That said,

On July 11 2015 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 01:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Somebody hold Yango.

http://kotaku.com/new-baldurs-gate-announced-set-between-i-and-ii-1716992819

I giggled a little.
Yangers I'll come to Philly again and you can rest your head in my lap.

I'll still take this offer.
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