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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 24 2016 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote: That mat is hot garbage, and the promos are too. Why am I going to game day again yeah they are weekend is even easier to make than friday for me i guess also if you just play jank standard is pretty F U N | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On October 24 2016 04:10 red_ wrote: FWIW Korea looks like they are primed to dominate Overwatch as well, further cementing the idea that the country will just crush whatever game/genre they choose, it just comes down to whether or not they give a fuck(I mean MVP is still somehow a relative powerhouse in DotA2 when the country abandoned it awhile ago now). Lunatic Hai has beaten Rogue two out of 3 series they've played, and just beat Envy handily. Their depth is a bit questionable still but that's always how it starts, depth is weak until the game picks up some true steam ich I've heard OW has in Korea(and Blizzard starting the official league probably only helps that right? Then again, SC2...) Rogue are 5-4 vs LH. As much as people for some reason like Taimou hes very inconsistent and has a shallow hero pool that he plays well (His reaper is seriously trash) and IMO is carried by Envys strong support and tank line. AKM, IDDQD, Nevix, Soon, Artier, AZK, 2easy are all stronger McCrees than Taimou its just that Envy are a really good team to support Taimou. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2016 04:52 phyvo wrote: I dunno. SC2 went with a relatively more integrated system and people complained that the only thing that changed was that instead of native USA people getting stomped we had imported Koreans representing the USA getting stomped because the best Koreans didn't need to move to the US (at least, that's my understanding). I don't know if there is a solution, honestly. How does a country improve it's talent pool anyway, outside of throwing gobs of money until enough trainers and talent come in that they can actually get naturalized? SC2 is a bad example because it's arguable that Korea started past the point of no return the moment the game came out. The relative drought of competitive RTS play in NA meant that the starting lines were already spaced too far enough for NA to have a chance. That wasn't the case with LoL because NA LoL was the one with the head start. It only lost it slowly over the course of a couple seasons, with LCS isolation accelerating the process. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 24 2016 05:15 Eppa! wrote: Rogue are 5-4 vs LH. As much as people for some reason like Taimou hes very inconsistent and has a shallow hero pool that he plays well (His reaper is seriously trash) and IMO is carried by Envys strong support and tank line. AKM, IDDQD, Nevix, Soon, Artier, AZK, 2easy are all stronger McCrees than Taimou its just that Envy are a really good team to support Taimou. I'd argue it's really Coco and Envy Supports that are solid. Hulk has looked rather lackluster on anything not Winston. If he could play Rein and Coco stick on Zarya that team would be way better off. Coco is a beast. Envy got so destroyed by Esca's Mccree which is weird since Rogue shutdown his mccree so easily. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 24 2016 04:53 Dandel Ion wrote: yeah they are weekend is even easier to make than friday for me i guess also if you just play jank standard is pretty F U N We'll this is the first time jank has even been viable in Standard | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On October 24 2016 05:21 Numy wrote: I'd argue it's really Coco and Envy Supports that are solid. Hulk has looked rather lackluster on anything not Winston. If he could play Rein and Coco stick on Zarya that team would be way better off. Coco is a beast. Envy got so destroyed by Esca's Mccree which is weird since Rogue shutdown his mccree so easily. Hulks mechanics are shit but they run a really strong positioning game and aim doesn't really matter much for tank at that level except for KotH because Zarya is a lot more defend your core focused on payload / 2cp. Envys strong defense and weak offence is heavily influenced by Taimous inconsistency and his weak core play where they can't run proper straight up fights plays. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 24 2016 04:52 phyvo wrote: I dunno. SC2 went with a relatively more integrated system and people complained that the only thing that changed was that instead of native USA people getting stomped we had imported Koreans representing the USA getting stomped because the best Koreans didn't need to move to the US (at least, that's my understanding). I don't know if there is a solution, honestly. How does a country improve it's talent pool anyway, outside of throwing gobs of money until enough trainers and talent come in that they can actually get naturalized? you improve talent pool through scouting and coaching. we might not have any fakers in soloq but we totally have players that could compete with kuro or whatever mechanically but they need good coaching | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23468 Posts
all the best players were solo q stars ive never heard of a case of someone being garbo and then someone coaches him so he's good | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Rox had no money or proper sponsorship though so idk. edit: Turns out Danes are just better than Swedes at Counterstrike as well. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 24 2016 06:14 Slayer91 wrote: is there any evidence that coaches do anything? all the best players were solo q stars ive never heard of a case of someone being garbo and then someone coaches him so he's good korean coaches do all the drafting and tell players how to ward and rotate | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
OW analysts are joke atm. Funniest thing is when some analyst (skyline?) says the way pros run reaper is wrong. | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
On October 24 2016 06:48 Eppa! wrote: When Danes win a premier event call me baby. OW analysts are joke atm. Funniest thing is when some analyst (skyline?) says the way pros run reaper is wrong. Dig just won Epicenter, beating the number 1 team currently, Virtus Pro. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On October 24 2016 06:39 Frolossus wrote: korean coaches do all the drafting and tell players how to ward and rotate There was an interview with corejj on reddit yesterday where he talked about how korean coaches had 100% control over everything from p/b to what champions and strategies the team trained in every scrim. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 24 2016 06:14 Slayer91 wrote: is there any evidence that coaches do anything? all the best players were solo q stars ive never heard of a case of someone being garbo and then someone coaches him so he's good Look at Pick/Ban. Prolly got destroyed pick/ban. Game 1 the extreme hesitation immediately shows that they weren't prepared for the Caitlyn ban. Then they choose not to ban Nidalee, Samsung instalocks it, then they don't know what to do. If you're going to let Nidalee through, you obviously must have a plan! But they didn't, and in fact had banned out their own Ryze instead, so they didn't even have two power picks to make up for the Nidalee and got shit on as a result. They clearly weren't expecting the Caitlyn ban, because Forgiven clearly wasn't ready to play any ADC other than Caitlyn or Sivir. But Sivir just isn't in the meta and so by game 3 they were reduced to banning out all the ADC's so that Sivir was one of the few viable choices left. Mechanically they were obviously outclassed, so it's not like if they had a better pick/ban they'd win, but they started every game behind because of pick/ban. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Metallurgic Summonings deck. Just a few tweaks to the sideboard including TiTi instead of Imprisoned, and Weavers of Lightning over Aether Meltdowns. I'd rather play a budget deck that I have fun with and win some games, than spend $300+ and play a top tier deck that I don't enjoy that much. Anyway. Round 1 vs Mardu Gearhulks + Show Spoiler + Basically his game plan was to cycle his cards with Tormenting Voices and Cathartic Reunions, then start Refurbishing them onto the battlefield with devastating results. Only problem was I was able to ramp into Metallurgic summonings before he could start really beating down, and 6/6 tokens created from Nissa's Renewal and Part the Waterveil are bigger. He sided out removal and in a Nahiri/Emrakul package while I sided in some counters and stuff to slow down the Refurbishes. Countered a Nahiri on T4 and was basically it from there. Record 1-0 Round 2 vs BW aggro + Show Spoiler + Older guy and a judge. I remember him being nice enough but he crushed me with such ruthless and humorless efficiency I was kind of surprised. Surely Game Day was meant more for brews than the cutthroat top tier decks (dude says he scouted the winning deck at some GP or something)? Anyway I can't really beat Copters and Always Watching that well even after sideboarding. One game I managed to clear his creatures every time he played one to crew his Copter but he never really ran out. Record 1-1 So after I lost in 10 minutes the store owner yells at me across the store that I got the win. Apparently dude's kid developed a fever and he had to leave so he tossed me the win. Real gracious of him and I feel bad for his kid---I 100% know what it's like to have to rush out of somewhere for a similar reason. Hope his kid feels better. + Show Spoiler + It was about here I learned this is was going to be 5 rounds and a cut to top 8. I've never played a tournament this long in my life, nor have I ever even played a real Game Day for more than 3 rounds! I've always sort of gotten my promos 'cause people don't show up, but as the second of 2 Game Day events on the same day, this one had 24 people! Round 3 vs UW Flash/midrange + Show Spoiler + Games weren't particularly memorable. I lost game 1 pretty handily. Game 2 after I board in my counters is much closer, and I had my Metallurgic Summonings down ready to do some work. Managed to clear away Selfless Spirits with Weavers, things were looking ok, I just needed to draw some spells to make some tokens. No dice. At one point I manage to draw a Cathartic Reunion to draw 3---what do I draw? my ONLY two Evolving Wilds in the deck, and another tap land. Probably would have lost this one in 3 if not for flooding like crazy, but it happens. Record 2-1 Round 4 vs....UW again? + Show Spoiler + I honestly can't remember this one. I may have sort of melded this and the previous match together. I remember some closer games than the ones above, but overall same sort of deal. Can't really beat the aggro creatures so well, and counters make it so it takes me too long to combo off. Record 2-2 So at this point the tournament has gone on like 5 hours. Most people are finishing their matches pretty quickly, but a lot of people are just dropping because it's getting so late. There's one newer guy who comes to the store (I can't remember if I ever talked about this, but he's the guy who beat my friend in a Sudden Death gamea few months ago. Story is here). He is the slowest player in the world and I don't think anyone has the heart to call him out on slow play usually because he's relatively new, but for the first time today the store owner pulled him aside and just said 'look dude. Shape up.' Literally sits there dead on board to attacks in game 2 and Turns (because Game 1 likely took 40 min and he lost) and spends 10 minutes trying to organize futile blocks. It's incredibly frustrating. Anyway 5h and we're all starting to get a little loopy. Round 5 vs UR Colossus + Show Spoiler + Win and in to top 8. I was in 6th and he was in 8th at the time. Managed to get out the double Summonings and sac one of them to recur my entire graveyard game1. Love doing that. Game 2 I barely BARELY lost and time was running out. Game 3 I thought I was dead on board due to a Deepfiend tapping out all my token blockers and a sideboard Saheeli making an extra token with haste to smash me in the face, but Part the Waterveil and Nissa's Renewal save the day and I win on T4 of 5. Final Record 3-2 Quarterfinals v UR Dynavolt + Show Spoiler + That cool deck with the Niblis Frost in the SB. Basically he just stopped e from doing most things and slowly burned me out. Was always slightly too late by the time I got Summonings out. I didn't expect to have to really fight for my Game Day promo as I never usually have to but it was super fun (and exhausting) doing so. Wish it was actually a good promo though. | ||
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Skitter
United States899 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On October 24 2016 06:48 Eppa! wrote: When Danes win a premier event call me baby. OW analysts are joke atm. Funniest thing is when some analyst (skyline?) says the way pros run reaper is wrong. lul wrong day to talk shit to Denmark | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
My Music Monday submission. Probably my favorite track on the Suicide Squad movie. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
courtesy of the LDOT thread | ||
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