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iaeuy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States249 Posts
September 16 2013 01:10 GMT
#1421
On September 16 2013 07:57 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:00 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
practice techs and start wavesashing

theres no "easy way" to win ssbm just have to practice and be good. it's liek there are no shortcuts in bw.

+ Show Spoiler +
or just play marth and spam c stick


Not what I wanted to hear :p but if thats the way it is then I guess i'll just need to practice more. thanks.

Also for falco the first things you want to learn are probably short hop laser (and reverse neutral b) and shine cancel.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
September 16 2013 05:24 GMT
#1422
Revise a paper, write a program. Worlds group stage still going on. #leagueproblems
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 16 2013 13:16 GMT
#1423
On September 16 2013 07:57 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:00 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
practice techs and start wavesashing

theres no "easy way" to win ssbm just have to practice and be good. it's liek there are no shortcuts in bw.

+ Show Spoiler +
or just play marth and spam c stick


Not what I wanted to hear :p but if thats the way it is then I guess i'll just need to practice more. thanks.


If people aren't teching, learn how to NOW. That will definitely give you a good edge. Wavedashing is definitely something to learn, but it's fairly tough to learn with Falco, and unless you're really using it to completely out-tempo your opponents, it gives you minimal benefit.

With Falco, learn shine combos and, as mentioned before, short hop lazers.

I played Peach and Marth, so I can't help too much with Falco. Only space animal I was halfway mediocre with in SSBM was Fox because of shine spikes. Now I play Wolf in Project M.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 18:20:07
September 16 2013 18:16 GMT
#1424
They key to falco against low level players is as mentioned Short hop laser. Just spam short hop laser while approaching and then do a Neutral Air (or for hard mode down air). Since as falco you might have issues finishing people off if your edge game sucks (which is probably does) feel free to use Forward smash or down tilt. These are the least mechanically demanding skills. Another really good thing against bad people is to spot dodge shine, shine cancel aerial.

With Falco, wavedashing is difficult as well as short hop down air l cancel but you can get it if you try!

Matchup specific: Against fox, it is really hard to do aerial combos because of his weight. It can be difficult to shine/sh down air combo against fox. Against a really bad fox, you can downthrow, grab downthrow spam (infinite combo against baddies).

Against pikachu, you rape. Lasers, forward smashes, dair combos, all the shabang ez pz. Just don't get kicked off the stage as recovery can be brutal against good pikachus!
Jaedong :3
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 18:19:32
September 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#1425
the play marth spam c stick advice was legit vs bad people btw marth is the best reward/skill ratio character
TranslatorBaa!
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1426
On September 17 2013 03:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
the play marth spam c stick advice was legit vs bad people btw marth is the best reward/skill ratio character


truth. and down smash peach.
Jaedong :3
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 16 2013 18:26 GMT
#1427
On September 17 2013 03:20 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 03:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
the play marth spam c stick advice was legit vs bad people btw marth is the best reward/skill ratio character


truth. and down smash peach.


It's even more terrifying in Project M. Although her turnips feel slightly clunkier.

If you guys like(d) SSBM, and you have a Wii + Brawl, you should check Project M out.

http://projectm.dantarion.com/index.php
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 16 2013 18:26 GMT
#1428
Project M so gooooood.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#1429
On September 17 2013 03:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
Project M so gooooood.


I wish I had friends nearby who play. I've been itching for some smash for a while =(
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#1430
I just wish I was better haha. My friends get pretty competitive but we are all kinda casual scrubs, don't wavedash very often hahahaha.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 16 2013 18:33 GMT
#1431
I think project M is garbage. It looks cool and all but isn't as good as melee.
Jaedong :3
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 18:34:37
September 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#1432
I used to be fairly competitive - my friend was ranked like 4th in CT at some point (played with gizbro on at least one occasion). I'm just so out of practice. L-canceling isn't too rough, but wave dashing hasn't been very good lately (lately as in "within the last year" lol)

On September 17 2013 03:33 ReketSomething wrote:
I think project M is garbage. It looks cool and all but isn't as good as melee.


For what reason?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#1433
Sure, but it's better than Brawl and I like Brawl's roster so I get the best of both worlds.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 18:40:04
September 16 2013 18:37 GMT
#1434
On September 17 2013 03:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I used to be fairly competitive - my friend was ranked like 4th in CT at some point (played with gizbro on at least one occasion). I'm just so out of practice. L-canceling isn't too rough, but wave dashing hasn't been very good lately (lately as in "within the last year" lol)

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 03:33 ReketSomething wrote:
I think project M is garbage. It looks cool and all but isn't as good as melee.


For what reason?


Characters feel heavier, falco feels/chains different and final destination sucks.

edit: For falco, I feel like DAir into L cancel is super off, especially into the shield. Shields heavy. Game too heavy.
Jaedong :3
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#1435
On September 17 2013 03:37 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 03:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I used to be fairly competitive - my friend was ranked like 4th in CT at some point (played with gizbro on at least one occasion). I'm just so out of practice. L-canceling isn't too rough, but wave dashing hasn't been very good lately (lately as in "within the last year" lol)

On September 17 2013 03:33 ReketSomething wrote:
I think project M is garbage. It looks cool and all but isn't as good as melee.


For what reason?


Characters feel heavier, falco feels/chains different and final destination sucks.

edit: For falco, I feel like DAir into L cancel is super off, especially into the shield. Shields heavy. Game too heavy.


I agree that Falco feels bad, but I have very few complaints about most other characters.

Actually, I'm not even complaining about Falco - I hate him.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-16 18:56:31
September 16 2013 18:55 GMT
#1436
but, but, Happy feet!

Falco is the only character I tried learning his full kit in melee and I was super disapointed in Project M. I haven't learned the intricacies of the other chars and so I can't comment about the transition. At least Project M is better than SC2 BW which is super complete garbage. Project M is at least fun as a standalone game (but then again, brawl is also pretty fun).
Jaedong :3
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 16 2013 19:02 GMT
#1437
On September 17 2013 03:55 ReketSomething wrote:
but, but, Happy feet!

Falco is the only character I tried learning his full kit in melee and I was super disapointed in Project M. I haven't learned the intricacies of the other chars and so I can't comment about the transition. At least Project M is better than SC2 BW which is super complete garbage. Project M is at least fun as a standalone game (but then again, brawl is also pretty fun).


You have to keep in mind, Project M is just a brawl mod made by people who aren't getting paid to do it (outside potential donations).

Brawl was not very fun imo. Everything is so floaty, there are so many dumb mechanics, final smashes got old quickly. I'm not sure who suggested introducing random tripping, but whoever it was should probably be fired.

I loved the Brawl line-up though, and that's what draws me to Project M. It's *mostly* the feel of Melee, but with some fresh faces.

I just wish ZSS didn't suck so much in Project M =(
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 16 2013 19:07 GMT
#1438
Yea, Project M did a good job improving brawl but in the end it does not matchup to melee. That is all
Jaedong :3
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 16 2013 19:39 GMT
#1439
What's bad about sc2 BW? Never played it (or sc2 for that matter)
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
September 16 2013 20:12 GMT
#1440
On September 17 2013 04:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
What's bad about sc2 BW? Never played it (or sc2 for that matter)


it's not bw

that's honestly the most substantive complaint
TranslatorBaa!
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