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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 06:52:23
November 17 2013 06:46 GMT
#12141
On November 17 2013 14:49 Gahlo wrote:
Seriously. Top8 in mtg tournaments are touted like they're wins almost.

Mostly because it's very hard for players to maintain consistency beyond that point. "Consistent top 8" is about the most consistent that players can generally be at the top level.

TBH people cite the low consistency of tournament wins in TCGs as an indicator of them being very random and low skill, but it's actually more indicative of a different quality of TCGs--that typically two deck types that are in a vacuum strong decks can have very lopsided matchups against one another. It's hard to be consistent past top 8s in MtG because you have to play the same deck the entire tournament and the deck that gets you to the top 8 is not always the best deck to actually win the tournament.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 07:26:48
November 17 2013 07:15 GMT
#12142
On November 17 2013 14:49 Gahlo wrote:
Seriously. Top8 in mtg tournaments are touted like they're wins almost.

top 8 is absurd. There's so much variance involved in the game and tournament structure that a couple highly placed finishes is viewed as either incredible skill or miraculous luck - being 50/50 in either isn't enough. This is reflected in the reward structure. Two high finishes and you're *this* close to getting the red carpet.
TBH people cite the low consistency of tournament wins in TCGs as an indicator of them being very random and low skill, but it's actually more indicative of a different quality of TCGs--that typically two deck types that are in a vacuum strong decks can have very lopsided matchups against one another. It's hard to be consistent past top 8s in MtG because you have to play the same deck the entire tournament and the deck that gets you to the top 8 is not always the best deck to actually win the tournament.


Please do recall though that the system is set up to promote repeat finishes, because that's essential to it's marketing value. If you get a couple good placements wizards practically begs you to do well going forward. Until then, you're out of luck. A much greater factor in final placement than most people appreciate is value from past tournament rewards, in other words, designed inertia.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 08:47:52
November 17 2013 08:44 GMT
#12143
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 17 2013 09:13 GMT
#12144
I disappoint in you Cixah.
Jaedong :3
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 17 2013 10:07 GMT
#12145
I'm mostly disappointed in my missplay game 3. I should have won that game easily because the way it plays out I maintain board control entirely if that Dark Iron Dwarf sticks. WIth his hand at 2 cards both of which being leeroy and Argent I would have been able to go on the offensive and get some decent damage in and most likely turn that game around entirely. You make one mistake all tournament and it's the one that you lose with .

As far as top 8's are considered, people sight them because they are important. Top 8 in most tournaments is usually very prize heavy, with in Texas PTQs of 215-300 people on any given format, you have top 8s where you just played 9-10 rounds of swiss and each player is walking away with a Box or more, plus the potential ticket to the PT. I have several ptq top 8s along with 2 different wins when Stoneforge and Jace weren't banned in every format under the sun, and while consistency is good. Winning is way better.

No one remembers 8th, or anything between it and 2nd. You remember the guy who took your seat at the PT.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
November 17 2013 11:48 GMT
#12146
I wasn't belittle the relevance of a top8, just putting a point of reference in for people not accustomed to the mtg tournament culture.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
November 17 2013 13:55 GMT
#12147
Oh bitcoin, how I love thee :3

Shit's going insane, nearing $500.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 17 2013 13:59 GMT
#12148
On November 17 2013 17:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.

Post a link in the thread when you do, I'm very interested :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
November 17 2013 14:23 GMT
#12149
Studying, listening to good music.
The groove is all over:+ Show Spoiler +
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 17 2013 14:55 GMT
#12150
On November 17 2013 13:51 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 13:42 Cixah wrote:
On November 17 2013 13:28 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 17 2013 12:49 Cixah wrote:
I'm really good at not making the finals .This new meta really makes my deck obsolete. The Argus Shell decks are just more consistent and faster than the minis. Time to play with the same cards as everyone else I guess.

You placed top4 though right? Any repeat top4 from other people?


Only person from the last top8 to top 8 again.

Imo, that's a better stat than anything, shows consistency.
plus top 4 ain't nothing to snuff off. Gj man.


If you ain't first, your last.

Step it up 6ah
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 17 2013 17:50 GMT
#12151
Streaming Smite for a while

www.twitch.tv/requizen
It's your boy Guzma!
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 18:05:33
November 17 2013 18:03 GMT
#12152
On November 18 2013 02:50 Requizen wrote:
Streaming Smite for a while

www.twitch.tv/requizen

A lot of stream stutters :/
I should probably register on twitch so I can post in chat... eh.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 22:35:40
November 17 2013 22:31 GMT
#12153
On November 17 2013 22:59 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 17:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.

Post a link in the thread when you do, I'm very interested :3

First part's up. I'll see if I can get the next part written by Monday.

Also, I fail at thread titles, so ignore that part. :p
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 18 2013 05:04 GMT
#12154
On November 18 2013 07:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 22:59 Scip wrote:
On November 17 2013 17:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.

Post a link in the thread when you do, I'm very interested :3

First part's up. I'll see if I can get the next part written by Monday.

Also, I fail at thread titles, so ignore that part. :p



Speaking of dominion. Just played with you on that map.

You acted confused when I said TL hates dominion. Not a bad game btw.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 05:12:08
November 18 2013 05:11 GMT
#12155
On November 18 2013 14:04 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 07:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On November 17 2013 22:59 Scip wrote:
On November 17 2013 17:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.

Post a link in the thread when you do, I'm very interested :3

First part's up. I'll see if I can get the next part written by Monday.

Also, I fail at thread titles, so ignore that part. :p



Speaking of dominion. Just played with you on that map.

You acted confused when I said TL hates dominion. Not a bad game btw.

Oh I know that TL hates on Dominion. I just don't recall ever saying anything of that variety. :p

It does kill my laning phase in regular SR, though.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
November 18 2013 05:35 GMT
#12156
On November 17 2013 22:55 Doctorbeat wrote:
Oh bitcoin, how I love thee :3

Shit's going insane, nearing $500.


I've been reading a lot about bitcoin lately... Seems to me so many people just see bitcoin as an investment that they can convert into real $$$. My only gripe with it.

I did a bit of mining too but yeah, a lil GPU can do next to nothing compared to the behemoths some people have invested in.

Different topic: Twitch.tv is down for me. Only website that is down too.... weird.
Retvrn to Forvms
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 18 2013 05:58 GMT
#12157
On November 17 2013 17:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.


You've been busy! I'm still playing SP vs normal AI. Impossible is a little scary and I never liked playing against resource boosted AIs anyways. Liking atlantis at the moment, EA is fun to thug and LA is fun to bless (no thugs quite yet).

I starting reading your LP, I'll have to finish it later, too late tonight. Looks good so far tho.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 06:10:18
November 18 2013 05:59 GMT
#12158
I feel so bad about the people who actually think and treat Bitcoin as a currency.

For the people who jumped on bitcoin early, congratulations, you guys get to make free money off of the suckers who come on later. :o

On November 18 2013 14:58 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 17:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) YES. Llamaserver is now open to hosting Dom4 MP games.
it begins, the end of my free time

2) In celebration, I've gotten off my ass and have actually started writing my Dom4 LP/Tutorial. Since the new patch has left my TC saves' batreps abit wonky, I'll just put out the Eriu/Ireland LP first. Finished the first part already, will post tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Errr, today. Basically whenever I wake up and have time to format it for posting.


You've been busy! I'm still playing SP vs normal AI. Impossible is a little scary and I never liked playing against resource boosted AIs anyways. Liking atlantis at the moment, EA is fun to thug and LA is fun to bless (no thugs quite yet).

I starting reading your LP, I'll have to finish it later, too late tonight. Looks good so far tho.

LA Atlantis is a powerhouse. Great paths, great troops (magic weapons on pretty much all your troops while not being as sucky as Caelum's troops), access to water (when your only opposition is R'lyeh, and while the insanity that the Dreamlands gives in dominion is annoying as frak, you have insanity-immune commanders in your underwater fort-recruitment), and both Amphibious+Sailing gives you either decent utility or extreme map mobility, depending on the map. Also, the Mother Hydra hero...she'll also give you access to random-event Living Pillars.

Atlantis, of the water nations, generally does better, given their full amphibious nature. Pelagia and EA R'lyeh get entirely gimped by their largely aquatic nature. The UW nations will probably be the target of a focused patch, when K.O scrounges up the time from teaching to produce the content. Them or flying nations (LA Caelum halp).

In the process of screenshoting my first year of gameplay, after that will probably slow down updates to 6-4 turns each. I'm mostly done with the game, though cleanup will take another year or two.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-18 06:06:56
November 18 2013 06:06 GMT
#12159
EDIT: doublepost
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 18 2013 06:09 GMT
#12160
On November 18 2013 14:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I feel so bad about the people who actually think and treat Bitcoin as a currency.

For the people who jumped on bitcoin early, congratulations, you guys get to make free money off of the suckers who come on later. :o

This has literally been said like the past 3 times the bubble burst. Guess what happened? Bitcoin still around.
I mean, I guess when you say it enough times it eventually becomes true.
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