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Alaric
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
I made it through an insane week, and lived. I think I aced a midterm today and stuff is slowing down finally. Semi-rant about schoolwork: I finished 2x 4 person group project milestones by myself because teammates are useless. The first one I let slide because they worked on it for a few days and had a semi-working implementation done and I finished it in like 4 hours the day it was due. 2nd milestone was pretty unacceptable though, we're using git for version control and contribution tracking. I finished a code skeleton Feb. 6th with networking protocols all resolved. It was literally just server side single machine implementation details left. Between the 6th and when I finished the project on the 18th, there were zero commits from anyone else. 0. (The project is a distributed key-value store). My response to a page long excuse from one member about how he's shitty at programming, doesn't want to fail, wants me to teach him, find common ground, write pseudo-code for him to implement etc etc. + Show Spoiler + Hi [name removed], I've thought about what you've written. This is a programming heavy course at the 400 level. You should be expected to have a working understanding of Java and how to write a program or parts thereof using it. You need to have a working understanding of how the project is implemented. Making code stubs is largely counterproductive for myself as by the time I realize I need a function in order to implement a feature, I know largely what the function needs to do, the arguments and how to implement it. Currently, the vast majority of the nitty-gritty implementation has already been completed and functionality can added via the helper functions in MD5Hash.java and UDPProcessor.java. The most I can do for you is to split out the job into tasks that need to be done. You need to take some tasks and implement them. The majority of the grades for the project are for the final submission (65% according to the website). There is an expectation that at least some work must be done in order to merit a grade, this is why git is used, so that the contribution can be tracked. I'll post a task list of what needs to be completed later tonight. Thanks, Lmui Too harsh? Not harsh enough? The TA for the course is aware already of the issue (acquaintance of mine). Academic integrity/fairness means that 0 effort -> 0 marks and I'm not comfortable with carrying three useless teammates. In most previous courses at least there was at least some measure of effort from people to learn or try, even if it's terrible. This was incredibly frustrating, in the majority of lectures I don't see any of the three so it's hard to even discuss things as a group. I hate random group assignment. "Prepares you for industry" <- No it doesn't. I can quit in industry if there's fundamental unresolvable differences and people get fired. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
However, some courses put their entry demands too low, which sucks. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
This is literally what just happened to my friend working for Shell. He had to fix a massive screw up by a coworker all the while the person above him was telling him how wrong he was. Obviously he was right as the work was taken but there's no repercussions for that person. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Two years prior we'd done a 4-person project as 2.5, with two people counting for 0.5. One had arrived in France that year and only did computer science because it was that or agriculture to get funded but she had no interest in it. Found someone in the dormitory, got pregnant after a few months, used that and being one teacher's pet to skip most courses without getting penalised for it. Allocated time was 2 hours during labs (basically 4-6 PM, last 2 of the day) and she'd often leave the room after half a hour to an hour, with her friend accompanying her as an excuse to bail too. Because the pregnant girl was really bad on top of being a slacker, she basically needed that mark to get her year. We really thought of pointing out it was 2 of us working while they were talking about their day or whatever, if they even were there, but in the end we didn't do it because that'd have felt like failing her out of spite. In retrospect I should have done it anyway. (I got pretty miffed earlier when the work we did on an assignment was heavily criticised by the teacher whom that girl was the pet of and marked 10 (out of 20) while she got a 16 for it (most marks tend to be in the 12-15 range if you work well, hard to get above as there was a bunch of interpretative stuff, so 16 was really good/high)... considering she straight-up copied ours when we lent it to her so she'd have some clue to start with. That's when we realised how much of a drag she was.) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 24 2015 18:16 Alaric wrote: Hey Soniv, screw you and getting stuck with jungle. :[ again, please don't blame me for your shitty sleeping habits and non-existent willpower | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Jokes aside, it was really fun to see you struggle with jungling and apply your general game knowledge to it, seeing how jungling is usually the things beginners ask about once they aren't as "beginners" anymore. Surprisingly, your thought process was alot closer to theirs than I expected.  Poor Garen couldn't carry that game, he'd burnt everything putting that terrible jungle Nidalee you had the previous game on his back. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mVNhgqJ.jpg) | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 24 2015 22:43 Gahlo wrote: Good lord that Nid was awful. But the real question is - was I worse than her? I don't feel bad, I warned my team I can't jungle. I've jungled less than 50 times ever in my history playing this game. On February 24 2015 22:46 mordek wrote: Real mvp was Ziggs tho, amirite? T_T | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Please, Zigg's is just a copycat hack. The OG is... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/i1vil.jpg) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You had less impact than Nidalee in fights, but I feel that your team was more behind at that point too. You didn't suicide as much as her. You were pretty behind but the game was closed in 2 aces, and when your team gets caught in a 4-man shockwave facechecking your jungle it's not exactly your fault, there were 3 others people after all. The teamcomps play a huge part too: the previous game, you had a fed Garen as a frontliner, with a farmed Ziggs (thanks Soniv for kill money) and Viktor for poke, against an Urgot who got dumped on, Blitzcrank, and a fed Xerath. As long as you didn't get poked too much, you could easily push, and Garen being a brick wall reduced Blitz's threat (he didn't even need to make a grab, Garen ran in the middle of them anyway). When you jungled it was Garen, Udyr and Kalista versus offlane Karma, Orianna, and Thresh. Add Lee Sin's ult that dumps hard on non-gap closing melees and you had no hope to stick to them or deal significant damage (triple shields) once they grouped. Garen's Q isn't nearly enough against all these MS (de)buffs. The game clearly showed that you aren't used to playing melee champions too, through things like spacing and stutter-stepping. When you duelled the Lee near their banana bush, with a bit more stutter-stepping or dropping a ward in the bush (you got 2-3 autos cancelled) it was a kill. During teamfights you spent too much time in Phoenix stance. At that point, your best bet was being hard to kill for their frontline and hope your Xerath and Kalista had enough damage, eg. alternating between Turtle and Bear stances to keep people away (or make them still for Xerath), run away when you get focused then come back into the fights with Bear stuns ready, and sneaking a few Phoenix activations+first hit here and there to add some AoE damage. But you usually panicked and tried to chase people, or went in and stayed in the middle of all the AoE the whole fight. As you saw against Lee, Udyr is super strong when he basically has 2 strong abilities maxed before they even have level 2 ult. But that also means it's all about spamming said abilities since you don't have "big impact" cooldowns, so you play around small "bursts" of effectiveness past midgame, when he doesn't scale as well. (And Teut is going to disagree and wreck me.) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 24 2015 23:14 Alaric wrote: What's the gromp thing? I remember that fucking minion freezing him nearly 3 secondes besides his tower with less than 200 HP and Sivir barely out of range because of Gravity Field. You had less impact than Nidalee in fights, but I feel that your team was more behind at that point too. You didn't suicide as much as her. You were pretty behind but the game was closed in 2 aces, and when your team gets caught in a 4-man shockwave facechking your jungle it's not exactly your fault, there were 3 others. The teamcomps play a huge part too: the previous game, you had a fed Garen as a frontliner, with a farmed Ziggs (thanks Soniv for kill money) and Viktor for poke, against an Urgot who got dumped on, Blitzcrank, and a fed Xerath. As long as you didn't get poked too much, you could easily push, and Garen being a brick wall reduced Blitz's threat (he didn't even need to make a grab, Garen ran in the middle of them anyway). When you jungled it was Garen, Udyr and Kalista versus offlane Karma, Orianna, and Thresh. Add Lee Sin's ult that dumps hard on non-gap losing melees and you had no hope to stick to them or deal significant damage (triple shields) once they grouped. Garen's Q isn't nearly enough against all these MS (de)buffs. The game clearly showed that you aren't used to playing melee champions too, through things like spacing and stutter-stepping. When you duelled the Lee near their banana bush, with a bit more stutter-stepping or dropping a ward in the bush (you got 2-3 autos cancelled) it was a kill. During teamfights you spent too much time in Phoenix stance. At that point, your best bet was being hard to kill for their frontline and hope your Xerath and Kalista had enough damage, eg. alternating between Turtle and Bear stances to keep people away (or make them still for Xerath), run away when you get focused then come back into the fights with Bear stuns ready, and sneaking a few Phoenix activations+first hit here and there to add some AoE damage. But you usually panicked and tried to chase people, or went in and stayed in the middle of all the AoE the whole fight. As you saw against Lee, Udyr is super strong when he basically has 2 strong abilities maxed before they even have level 2 ult. But that also means it's all about spamming said abilities since you don't have "big impact" cooldowns, so you play around small "bursts" of effectiveness past midgame, when he doesn't scale as well. (And Teut is going to disagree and wreck me.) In the first game he played yesterday he was absolutely stomping an Annie in lane. Like so bad the Insittute of War would need to call social services. Him and his jungler, I think an Udyr, had chased Annie around the blue wall when she stunned the jungler and looked like she was on her way to safety. Soniv flash E'd to kill her but somehow the Gromp was aggro'd, I think by Tibbers and it killed her. Sony wasn't even granted an assist. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On February 24 2015 18:46 Lmui wrote: + Show Spoiler + Life's looking up I guess. I made it through an insane week, and lived. I think I aced a midterm today and stuff is slowing down finally. Semi-rant about schoolwork: I finished 2x 4 person group project milestones by myself because teammates are useless. The first one I let slide because they worked on it for a few days and had a semi-working implementation done and I finished it in like 4 hours the day it was due. 2nd milestone was pretty unacceptable though, we're using git for version control and contribution tracking. I finished a code skeleton Feb. 6th with networking protocols all resolved. It was literally just server side single machine implementation details left. Between the 6th and when I finished the project on the 18th, there were zero commits from anyone else. 0. (The project is a distributed key-value store). My response to a page long excuse from one member about how he's shitty at programming, doesn't want to fail, wants me to teach him, find common ground, write pseudo-code for him to implement etc etc. + Show Spoiler + Hi [name removed], I've thought about what you've written. This is a programming heavy course at the 400 level. You should be expected to have a working understanding of Java and how to write a program or parts thereof using it. You need to have a working understanding of how the project is implemented. Making code stubs is largely counterproductive for myself as by the time I realize I need a function in order to implement a feature, I know largely what the function needs to do, the arguments and how to implement it. Currently, the vast majority of the nitty-gritty implementation has already been completed and functionality can added via the helper functions in MD5Hash.java and UDPProcessor.java. The most I can do for you is to split out the job into tasks that need to be done. You need to take some tasks and implement them. The majority of the grades for the project are for the final submission (65% according to the website). There is an expectation that at least some work must be done in order to merit a grade, this is why git is used, so that the contribution can be tracked. I'll post a task list of what needs to be completed later tonight. Thanks, Lmui Too harsh? Not harsh enough? The TA for the course is aware already of the issue (acquaintance of mine). Academic integrity/fairness means that 0 effort -> 0 marks and I'm not comfortable with carrying three useless teammates. In most previous courses at least there was at least some measure of effort from people to learn or try, even if it's terrible. This was incredibly frustrating, in the majority of lectures I don't see any of the three so it's hard to even discuss things as a group. I hate random group assignment. "Prepares you for industry" <- No it doesn't. I can quit in industry if there's fundamental unresolvable differences and people get fired. I would say that is harsh enough. As long as everyone knows the grade is going to be a function of the effort, that the git log will be used in part to evaluate that effort, and that the final part of the project is going to determine a majority of the grade. If they understand you have a problem with their current contributions then all that stuff together will put a fire under them to get stuff done for the final part. It sucks for you if you have to step up and delegate things with deadlines to actually see anything done in a timely manner tho. And fuck "im shitty at programming" as an excuse. seriously google what you cant figure out, your in this course to learn not pass! | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On February 24 2015 23:31 onlywonderboy wrote: Uhg I can't focus on my internship work at all. Close the TL/LL tab  | ||
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