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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 16 2014 07:06 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 06:51 MoonBear wrote:On July 16 2014 06:40 Duvon wrote:
I love how a few people have asked questions targeted at boonmare and very soon get a nice big reply.
Bow before the noobrame! It's always nice to help people. ^^ On July 16 2014 06:46 Frolossus wrote:i played competitive pokemon a ton in gen4 then smogon happened and ruined the fun  What did you not like about Smogon? I think they generally do a pretty good job in trying to create balance in what is otherwise a very imbalanced game. i didn't agree with most of their balance changes specifically during gen4 regarding garchomp/scizor/latias/salamence then they went into this whole thing when platinum came out in japan over simulators vs the game cartridge for competitive play. eventually they took over shoddybattle as well.
The Dragon bannings are pretty understandable since a lot of the Smogon ban lists are about making sure the meta doesn;t become super stale because there are Pokemon which are so good they warp the game around them. And a lot of the bannings are done by voting and to qualify for voting you have to be a minimum elo on the test servers so it's not super ham-fisted. I know it's sad when your favourites get banned (Mega-Lucario in OU RIP) but I understand why it's necessary.
I'm fine with them running the online platforms. They've done a pretty good job so I've got no complaints here.
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On July 16 2014 07:17 Cixah wrote:You dirty spacies picker . It's ok tho. I don't blame you.
I do.
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On July 16 2014 07:17 Cixah wrote:You dirty spacies picker . It's ok tho. I don't blame you.
it's more that I need something to counterpick puff with, and YL really isn't the practical choice lol
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On July 16 2014 07:20 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:06 Frolossus wrote:On July 16 2014 06:51 MoonBear wrote:On July 16 2014 06:40 Duvon wrote:
I love how a few people have asked questions targeted at boonmare and very soon get a nice big reply.
Bow before the noobrame! It's always nice to help people. ^^ On July 16 2014 06:46 Frolossus wrote:i played competitive pokemon a ton in gen4 then smogon happened and ruined the fun What did you not like about Smogon? I think they generally do a pretty good job in trying to create balance in what is otherwise a very imbalanced game. i didn't agree with most of their balance changes specifically during gen4 regarding garchomp/scizor/latias/salamence then they went into this whole thing when platinum came out in japan over simulators vs the game cartridge for competitive play. eventually they took over shoddybattle as well. The Dragon bannings are pretty understandable since a lot of the Smogon ban lists are about making sure the meta doesn;t become super stale because there are Pokemon which are so good they warp the game around them. And a lot of the bannings are done by voting and to qualify for voting you have to be a minimum elo on the test servers so it's not super ham-fisted. I know it's sad when your favourites get banned (Mega-Lucario in OU RIP) but I understand why it's necessary. I'm fine with them running the online platforms. They've done a pretty good job so I've got no complaints here.
i don't think they should be running them in such a way that it is no longer a true simulator of the original game.
the issue with dragons was that their decision making was not uniform. why was bullet punch scizor, literally the most used pokemon at the time not banned out. salamence was only banned out later but for a time latias was legal when neither salamence or garchomp were. if they were going to try to keep the meta from being stale they should have consistently removed all of the pokemon that were bad for the game instead of only picking some of them and removing them whenever they felt like.
they also let things like stealth rocks exist which single handedly ruined the viability of a number of otherwise solid pokemon and let the metagame be defined by it.
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On July 16 2014 07:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
waveshining is hard...
How do you usually jump? I've found I can pull of a lot of spacie tech more frequently if I use Control Stick Up since it's so fast.
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On July 16 2014 07:32 onlywonderboy wrote:How do you usually jump? I've found I can pull of a lot of spacie tech more frequently if I use Control Stick Up since it's so fast.
I'm using Y, which is what I use for wave dashing. It's more the fact that my fingers aren't used to moving so fast in the same pattern consistently cuz, ya know, I play Daisy
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On July 16 2014 07:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:32 onlywonderboy wrote:On July 16 2014 07:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
waveshining is hard... How do you usually jump? I've found I can pull of a lot of spacie tech more frequently if I use Control Stick Up since it's so fast. I'm using Y, which is what I use for wave dashing. It's more the fact that my fingers aren't used to moving so fast in the same pattern consistently cuz, ya know, I play Daisy
See I'm usually an X jumper so maybe that's why I generally have trouble with the movement. I never used to use Control Stick for much but it's soooo good for Jump Canceled Up Smashes with Fox. I had to turn it back on in PM.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On July 16 2014 07:27 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:20 MoonBear wrote:On July 16 2014 07:06 Frolossus wrote:On July 16 2014 06:51 MoonBear wrote:On July 16 2014 06:40 Duvon wrote:
I love how a few people have asked questions targeted at boonmare and very soon get a nice big reply.
Bow before the noobrame! It's always nice to help people. ^^ On July 16 2014 06:46 Frolossus wrote:i played competitive pokemon a ton in gen4 then smogon happened and ruined the fun What did you not like about Smogon? I think they generally do a pretty good job in trying to create balance in what is otherwise a very imbalanced game. i didn't agree with most of their balance changes specifically during gen4 regarding garchomp/scizor/latias/salamence then they went into this whole thing when platinum came out in japan over simulators vs the game cartridge for competitive play. eventually they took over shoddybattle as well. The Dragon bannings are pretty understandable since a lot of the Smogon ban lists are about making sure the meta doesn;t become super stale because there are Pokemon which are so good they warp the game around them. And a lot of the bannings are done by voting and to qualify for voting you have to be a minimum elo on the test servers so it's not super ham-fisted. I know it's sad when your favourites get banned (Mega-Lucario in OU RIP) but I understand why it's necessary. I'm fine with them running the online platforms. They've done a pretty good job so I've got no complaints here. i don't think they should be running them in such a way that it is no longer a true simulator of the original game. the issue with dragons was that their decision making was not uniform. why was bullet punch scizor, literally the most used pokemon at the time not banned out. salamence was only banned out later but for a time latias was legal when neither salamence or garchomp were. if they were going to try to keep the meta from being stale they should have consistently removed all of the pokemon that were bad for the game instead of only picking some of them and removing them whenever they felt like
The thing is the base game has a lot of ridiculous stuff in it so the bans help get around those problems. For example, splitting Pokemon into tiers make sense otherwise there's almost no reason to basically not run an Ubers team since the Pokemon there are just mathematically superior to everything else. For a lot of the other stuff it's more nuanced and subjective. The Salamence ban for example was based on how not only was it a good Pokemon, it also could run a whole load of different sets to tear people apart so was hard to counter, while Garchomp influenced people into build teams with anti-Garchomp. Dragon as a typing is also really, really good (hi DragMag). Scizor is good, but there are a lot of ways to just beat it which was not the same of other stuff. Looking at Gen VI for example, I can't imagine a world full of Mega-Khangaskan or more generally a world without Sleep or Evasion Clause urghhhh....
Since it's all subjective you end up with the Council and community voting which makes the decisions which I think is a pretty good system. Since it's elo based you ignore all the people who are bad and since it's done on a Suspect Test server you can limit the issue to just the test they run. Sure it could be better, but I can't think of a better system. And remember, you can't patch Pokemon so this is a fairly good system to use. And remember, no one's forced to use Smogon rules if they don't like them.
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On July 16 2014 07:39 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:27 Frolossus wrote:On July 16 2014 07:20 MoonBear wrote:On July 16 2014 07:06 Frolossus wrote:On July 16 2014 06:51 MoonBear wrote:On July 16 2014 06:40 Duvon wrote:
I love how a few people have asked questions targeted at boonmare and very soon get a nice big reply.
Bow before the noobrame! It's always nice to help people. ^^ On July 16 2014 06:46 Frolossus wrote:i played competitive pokemon a ton in gen4 then smogon happened and ruined the fun What did you not like about Smogon? I think they generally do a pretty good job in trying to create balance in what is otherwise a very imbalanced game. i didn't agree with most of their balance changes specifically during gen4 regarding garchomp/scizor/latias/salamence then they went into this whole thing when platinum came out in japan over simulators vs the game cartridge for competitive play. eventually they took over shoddybattle as well. The Dragon bannings are pretty understandable since a lot of the Smogon ban lists are about making sure the meta doesn;t become super stale because there are Pokemon which are so good they warp the game around them. And a lot of the bannings are done by voting and to qualify for voting you have to be a minimum elo on the test servers so it's not super ham-fisted. I know it's sad when your favourites get banned (Mega-Lucario in OU RIP) but I understand why it's necessary. I'm fine with them running the online platforms. They've done a pretty good job so I've got no complaints here. i don't think they should be running them in such a way that it is no longer a true simulator of the original game. the issue with dragons was that their decision making was not uniform. why was bullet punch scizor, literally the most used pokemon at the time not banned out. salamence was only banned out later but for a time latias was legal when neither salamence or garchomp were. if they were going to try to keep the meta from being stale they should have consistently removed all of the pokemon that were bad for the game instead of only picking some of them and removing them whenever they felt like The thing is the base game has a lot of ridiculous stuff in it so the bans help get around those problems. For example, splitting Pokemon into tiers make sense otherwise there's almost no reason to basically not run an Ubers team since the Pokemon there are just mathematically superior to everything else. For a lot of the other stuff it's more nuanced and subjective. The Salamence ban for example was based on how not only was it a good Pokemon, it also could run a whole load of different sets to tear people apart so was hard to counter, while Garchomp influenced people into build teams with anti-Garchomp. Dragon as a typing is also really, really good (hi DragMag). Scizor is good, but there are a lot of ways to just beat it which was not the same of other stuff. Looking at Gen VI for example, I can't imagine a world full of Mega-Khangaskan or more generally a world without Sleep or Evasion Clause urghhhh.... Since it's all subjective you end up with the Council and community voting which makes the decisions which I think is a pretty good system. Since it's elo based you ignore all the people who are bad and since it's done on a Suspect Test server you can limit the issue to just the test they run. Sure it could be better, but I can't think of a better system. And remember, you can't patch Pokemon so this is a fairly good system to use. And remember, no one's forced to use Smogon rules if they don't like them.
i can't speak for later generations cause i haven't played them but none of their decisions in d/p/p made the game objectively better to play
we were forced to conform to smogon's rules in gen4 when the official shoddy server was shut down in favor of theirs.
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Considering streaming some Binding of Isaac after I make dinner. I heard all the cool kids are doing it.
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On July 16 2014 07:36 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On July 16 2014 07:32 onlywonderboy wrote:On July 16 2014 07:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
waveshining is hard... How do you usually jump? I've found I can pull of a lot of spacie tech more frequently if I use Control Stick Up since it's so fast. I'm using Y, which is what I use for wave dashing. It's more the fact that my fingers aren't used to moving so fast in the same pattern consistently cuz, ya know, I play Daisy See I'm usually an X jumper so maybe that's why I generally have trouble with the movement. I never used to use Control Stick for much but it's soooo good for Jump Canceled Up Smashes with Fox. I had to turn it back on in PM.
Well, I'm also usually an X jumper, I have no idea why I use y for wave dashing. I also wish I used L to shield instead of R to make nair out of shield easier, it's a hard habit to break
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On July 16 2014 07:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
waveshining is hard...
Do I get an alternate colour palette?
On July 16 2014 07:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
Considering streaming some Binding of Isaac after I make dinner. I heard all the cook kids are doing it.
I want to make some sort of comment but I got nothing.
Sonib I see you playing Isaac.
y u no strem?
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Wow. Whose idea is it to give characters the ability to flee while confuses?
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United States23745 Posts
On July 16 2014 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Do I get an alternate colour palette? Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
Considering streaming some Binding of Isaac after I make dinner. I heard all the cook kids are doing it. I want to make some sort of comment but I got nothing. Sonib I see you playing Isaac. y u no strem?
Typing is hard.
Edit: Also people add me on Steam onlywonderboy
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On July 16 2014 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Do I get an alternate colour palette? Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
Considering streaming some Binding of Isaac after I make dinner. I heard all the cook kids are doing it. I want to make some sort of comment but I got nothing. Sonib I see you playing Isaac. y u no strem?
because owb said he was going to!
and I'm only playing cuz smite servers are down, was gonna play a game or two
and I still need to eat
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Also wow they went through with heavy Lucian nerfs
owb y u no strem
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On July 16 2014 08:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also wow they went through with heavy Lucian nerfs
owb y u no strem
Sooooon I'm finishing eating.
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holy shit the carrion queen is hard
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