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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 09 2014 19:32 GMT
#48301
iG took one too many bad fights, Morphling too big to stop now, QQ.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 09 2014 19:33 GMT
#48302
+ Show Spoiler +
wtf, this shadow shaman such a feeder.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 09 2014 19:35 GMT
#48303
The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 09 2014 19:36 GMT
#48304
On July 10 2014 04:35 Alaric wrote:
The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :<

I guess networth is a pretty good measure imo. But it's not very noob friendly to look at.

man, i love playing shadow shaman, but watching this dude get stomped in game makes me sad.
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 09 2014 19:37 GMT
#48305
On July 10 2014 04:35 Alaric wrote:
The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :<


You totally can if you know the game. It's just gold lead isn't the sole determining factor on who is in the lead as well as it is in LoL.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 09 2014 19:37 GMT
#48306
On July 10 2014 04:35 Alaric wrote:
The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :<


I'd say the bigger reason you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance is that DotA has far less obvious 'this team is winning' scenarios since drafts vary by so much. In League, you basically look at towers and gold and say 'this team is winning' with very few exceptions.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 09 2014 19:39 GMT
#48307
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote:
i kid because i love guys

Nobody else picked up on this?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 09 2014 19:39 GMT
#48308
lol, this morphling is absolutely huge.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 09 2014 19:43 GMT
#48309
Horrific midgame from iG, too many forced(bad) engages, especially since they had the midas advantage and Morph was still behind. Think they pressured themselves into ending the game faster than they needed to and in effect accelerated the Morph's recovery.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 09 2014 19:45 GMT
#48310
Well, I guess I'd look at the items and the carries' levels, but even just these informations aren't shown on the same screen.
But that's the thing: because you need to process a lot more stuff to get an idea, not having it available made things even more obscure to get.

(Also I guess part of why DotA fans find LoL to passive is that they think it's too hard to kill someone in LoL, but dying is actually much more punishing in pro LoL I feel, especially early. It's harder to roam/there's already a dedicated jungler so there isn't that source of exp, a level difference can mean you die over and over and get no farm, and there are less champions which are actually useful on little/no farm while they try to catch up. Someone who starts 0-2 in LoL is pretty much dead for the next 15 minutes while it doesn't seem to be the case that often in DotA, so even if it's harder to kill people, they also play much safer in general because of this.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 19:47:08
July 09 2014 19:45 GMT
#48311
On July 10 2014 04:43 red_ wrote:
Horrific midgame from iG, too many forced(bad) engages, especially since they had the midas advantage and Morph was still behind. Think they pressured themselves into ending the game faster than they needed to and in effect accelerated the Morph's recovery.


Skipping midas and going that early mek was so huge by Xiao8. iG did have pressure on them to end the game early as there's no way they could handle NB lineup later in the game.

On July 10 2014 04:45 Alaric wrote:
Well, I guess I'd look at the items and the carries' levels, but even just these informations aren't shown on the same screen.
But that's the thing: because you need to process a lot more stuff to get an idea, not having it available made things even more obscure to get.

(Also I guess part of why DotA fans find LoL to passive is that they think it's too hard to kill someone in LoL, but dying is actually much more punishing in pro LoL I feel, especially early. It's harder to roam/there's already a dedicated jungler so there isn't that source of exp, a level difference can mean you die over and over and get no farm, and there are less champions which are actually useful on little/no farm while they try to catch up. Someone who starts 0-2 in LoL is pretty much dead for the next 15 minutes while it doesn't seem to be the case that often in DotA, so even if it's harder to kill people, they also play much safer in general because of this.)


Yip LoL punishes people extremely hard for dying or being out of position. I think it's largely due to the fact that everything scales thus there's no real big game changing items you can get or level to reach. More gold = better everything = winning. So it's more punishing for mistakes.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 09 2014 19:45 GMT
#48312
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote:
i kid because i love guys


and this is why commas are important
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 09 2014 19:46 GMT
#48313
On July 10 2014 04:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote:
i kid because i love guys


and this is why commas are important

More like the missing word 'you' I assume
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 09 2014 19:46 GMT
#48314
I guy because I love kids?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 09 2014 19:47 GMT
#48315
On July 10 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 04:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote:
i kid because i love guys


and this is why commas are important

More like the missing word 'you' I assume


Well maybe it's the brotherly form of love or friendship form of love? Spend must of time around guys thus don't you love guys?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 09 2014 19:49 GMT
#48316
On July 10 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 04:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote:
i kid because i love guys


and this is why commas are important

More like the missing word 'you' I assume


"I kid because I love, guys."
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
July 09 2014 19:54 GMT
#48317
On July 10 2014 04:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 10 2014 04:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote:
i kid because i love guys


and this is why commas are important

More like the missing word 'you' I assume


"I kid because I love, guys."

"I kid, because I love guys"?
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
July 09 2014 19:55 GMT
#48318
Enough with this guy love grammar love in. Back to important offtopic topics like Pokemon and The international.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 09 2014 19:58 GMT
#48319
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 19:59:32
July 09 2014 19:59 GMT
#48320
On July 10 2014 04:45 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 04:43 red_ wrote:
Horrific midgame from iG, too many forced(bad) engages, especially since they had the midas advantage and Morph was still behind. Think they pressured themselves into ending the game faster than they needed to and in effect accelerated the Morph's recovery.


Skipping midas and going that early mek was so huge by Xiao8. iG did have pressure on them to end the game early as there's no way they could handle NB lineup later in the game..


Yes there was pressure, but they forced awful engages by putting too much pressure on themselves. They went double midas(which was probably not the right choice), then didn't even let them pay dividends before trying to throw their team onto NB towers and force engages deep in the NB jungle with key cooldowns missing.

I think YYF and Luo really dropped the ball(also YYF fucked up at least 2 early kills that would've been huge).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
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