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red_
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wei2coolman
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wtf, this shadow shaman such a feeder. | ||
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Alaric
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:35 Alaric wrote: The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :< I guess networth is a pretty good measure imo. But it's not very noob friendly to look at. man, i love playing shadow shaman, but watching this dude get stomped in game makes me sad. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:35 Alaric wrote: The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :< You totally can if you know the game. It's just gold lead isn't the sole determining factor on who is in the lead as well as it is in LoL. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:35 Alaric wrote: The problem is that DotA's information is super fragmented compared to LoL's, and rarely available (since it depends on the observer) so yeah, you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance. :< I'd say the bigger reason you can't get a feel for the state of the game with one glance is that DotA has far less obvious 'this team is winning' scenarios since drafts vary by so much. In League, you basically look at towers and gold and say 'this team is winning' with very few exceptions. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote: i kid because i love guys Nobody else picked up on this? | ||
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wei2coolman
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red_
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Alaric
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 But that's the thing: because you need to process a lot more stuff to get an idea, not having it available made things even more obscure to get. (Also I guess part of why DotA fans find LoL to passive is that they think it's too hard to kill someone in LoL, but dying is actually much more punishing in pro LoL I feel, especially early. It's harder to roam/there's already a dedicated jungler so there isn't that source of exp, a level difference can mean you die over and over and get no farm, and there are less champions which are actually useful on little/no farm while they try to catch up. Someone who starts 0-2 in LoL is pretty much dead for the next 15 minutes while it doesn't seem to be the case that often in DotA, so even if it's harder to kill people, they also play much safer in general because of this.) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:43 red_ wrote: Horrific midgame from iG, too many forced(bad) engages, especially since they had the midas advantage and Morph was still behind. Think they pressured themselves into ending the game faster than they needed to and in effect accelerated the Morph's recovery. Skipping midas and going that early mek was so huge by Xiao8. iG did have pressure on them to end the game early as there's no way they could handle NB lineup later in the game. On July 10 2014 04:45 Alaric wrote: Well, I guess I'd look at the items and the carries' levels, but even just these informations aren't shown on the same screen. But that's the thing: because you need to process a lot more stuff to get an idea, not having it available made things even more obscure to get. (Also I guess part of why DotA fans find LoL to passive is that they think it's too hard to kill someone in LoL, but dying is actually much more punishing in pro LoL I feel, especially early. It's harder to roam/there's already a dedicated jungler so there isn't that source of exp, a level difference can mean you die over and over and get no farm, and there are less champions which are actually useful on little/no farm while they try to catch up. Someone who starts 0-2 in LoL is pretty much dead for the next 15 minutes while it doesn't seem to be the case that often in DotA, so even if it's harder to kill people, they also play much safer in general because of this.) Yip LoL punishes people extremely hard for dying or being out of position. I think it's largely due to the fact that everything scales thus there's no real big game changing items you can get or level to reach. More gold = better everything = winning. So it's more punishing for mistakes. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:30 ComaDose wrote: i kid because i love guys and this is why commas are important | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
More like the missing word 'you' I assume | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: More like the missing word 'you' I assume Well maybe it's the brotherly form of love or friendship form of love? Spend must of time around guys thus don't you love guys? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: More like the missing word 'you' I assume "I kid because I love, guys." | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
"I kid, because I love guys"? | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 10 2014 04:45 Numy wrote: Skipping midas and going that early mek was so huge by Xiao8. iG did have pressure on them to end the game early as there's no way they could handle NB lineup later in the game.. Yes there was pressure, but they forced awful engages by putting too much pressure on themselves. They went double midas(which was probably not the right choice), then didn't even let them pay dividends before trying to throw their team onto NB towers and force engages deep in the NB jungle with key cooldowns missing. I think YYF and Luo really dropped the ball(also YYF fucked up at least 2 early kills that would've been huge). | ||
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