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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 11 2014 22:51 GMT
#38441
This just means we're TLs favorite, guys. They're unwilling to part with us.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
May 11 2014 22:53 GMT
#38442
On May 12 2014 07:51 Gahlo wrote:
This just means we're TLs favorite, guys. They're unwilling to part with us.


ALWAYS I WANNA BE WITH YOU
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 11 2014 22:55 GMT
#38443
On May 12 2014 07:47 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:35 Cixah wrote:
I don't like Liquid breaking up into its own sites. I don't even visit liquid hearth because it's 1)not blue, and 2) not easily clickable from the TL homepage.

This idea feels rushed, bad, and useless


I mean, the links to all of the sites are in the top right, that's not why I don't like it.

I do however very much dislike it because I can no longer just jump onto TL, hit subscribed threads, and see anything I want to instantly within reason. Doing that before a few hours ago, I would see any new posts in threads I care about, be able to scroll through one single sidebar to see if an active topic looks interesting, see a one stop shop calendar, and have all the streams I want in one place.

I do find it kind of hilarious though that LoL and 'other games' are still on the 'generic'/Starcraft TL site, even though it's apparently the least supported amongst the truly high up staffers. Who knew that would end up being a good thing?

I am a little surprised by the hesitancy of the general users about this change. Personally I wouldn't have minded a separate TL site for League. But then again, I only follow League. I never really followed Dota2 and I stopped caring about SC2 probably 4-5 years ago.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 11 2014 22:58 GMT
#38444
On May 12 2014 07:16 Requizen wrote:
I THOUGHT LOVE WAS ONLY TRUE IN FAIIIIRY TALES

MEANT FOR SOMEONE ELSE BUT NOT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEE
Steam: rook492
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 11 2014 23:07 GMT
#38445
On May 12 2014 07:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:47 red_ wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:35 Cixah wrote:
I don't like Liquid breaking up into its own sites. I don't even visit liquid hearth because it's 1)not blue, and 2) not easily clickable from the TL homepage.

This idea feels rushed, bad, and useless


I mean, the links to all of the sites are in the top right, that's not why I don't like it.

I do however very much dislike it because I can no longer just jump onto TL, hit subscribed threads, and see anything I want to instantly within reason. Doing that before a few hours ago, I would see any new posts in threads I care about, be able to scroll through one single sidebar to see if an active topic looks interesting, see a one stop shop calendar, and have all the streams I want in one place.

I do find it kind of hilarious though that LoL and 'other games' are still on the 'generic'/Starcraft TL site, even though it's apparently the least supported amongst the truly high up staffers. Who knew that would end up being a good thing?

I am a little surprised by the hesitancy of the general users about this change. Personally I wouldn't have minded a separate TL site for League. But then again, I only follow League. I never really followed Dota2 and I stopped caring about SC2 probably 4-5 years ago.


It's less hesitancy and more laziness. Ultimately it's more ad traffic for TL and Cleaner layouts for specialized content. Which is cool, it just means I'm less likely to visit this specilized content due to the fact that it can't all be found in one location even though they share a name.

TLDR: TL felt like the Reddit of Esports, now it feels like things have been ripped apart and put in different holes.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 11 2014 23:08 GMT
#38446
On May 12 2014 07:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:47 red_ wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:35 Cixah wrote:
I don't like Liquid breaking up into its own sites. I don't even visit liquid hearth because it's 1)not blue, and 2) not easily clickable from the TL homepage.

This idea feels rushed, bad, and useless


I mean, the links to all of the sites are in the top right, that's not why I don't like it.

I do however very much dislike it because I can no longer just jump onto TL, hit subscribed threads, and see anything I want to instantly within reason. Doing that before a few hours ago, I would see any new posts in threads I care about, be able to scroll through one single sidebar to see if an active topic looks interesting, see a one stop shop calendar, and have all the streams I want in one place.

I do find it kind of hilarious though that LoL and 'other games' are still on the 'generic'/Starcraft TL site, even though it's apparently the least supported amongst the truly high up staffers. Who knew that would end up being a good thing?

I am a little surprised by the hesitancy of the general users about this change. Personally I wouldn't have minded a separate TL site for League. But then again, I only follow League. I never really followed Dota2 and I stopped caring about SC2 probably 4-5 years ago.


What is the attraction of having a seperate LoL site? Why does it have to be seperated?

I basically never visit Liquidhearth because it's more links to click to get there for no reason.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:12:37
May 11 2014 23:08 GMT
#38447
On May 12 2014 07:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:47 red_ wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:35 Cixah wrote:
I don't like Liquid breaking up into its own sites. I don't even visit liquid hearth because it's 1)not blue, and 2) not easily clickable from the TL homepage.

This idea feels rushed, bad, and useless


I mean, the links to all of the sites are in the top right, that's not why I don't like it.

I do however very much dislike it because I can no longer just jump onto TL, hit subscribed threads, and see anything I want to instantly within reason. Doing that before a few hours ago, I would see any new posts in threads I care about, be able to scroll through one single sidebar to see if an active topic looks interesting, see a one stop shop calendar, and have all the streams I want in one place.

I do find it kind of hilarious though that LoL and 'other games' are still on the 'generic'/Starcraft TL site, even though it's apparently the least supported amongst the truly high up staffers. Who knew that would end up being a good thing?

I am a little surprised by the hesitancy of the general users about this change. Personally I wouldn't have minded a separate TL site for League. But then again, I only follow League. I never really followed Dota2 and I stopped caring about SC2 probably 4-5 years ago.

The biggest inconvenience is still the decision to break off the non-primary game sections (General, Other Games, etc.). A lot of people who are even only attached to one game generally have some participation in one or more of those. The argument is that these sites should grow their own internal communities, but as far as I'm concerned, LiquidHearth is an example of how that belief has failed. The blogs section is exclusively Hearthstone brag/balance whine blogs, with no real non-HS content. The general forum is even more tragic--it's basically cluttered with advertisements for Gatherings that all have <10 posts and most have 0. When I raised these issues before, I was told that these would fix themselves with time, but they've only gotten worse.

There are definitely veteran users who've been impacted negatively by the split. The example I used previously was kierpanda's food blogs, which was basically killed by the LiquidHearth migration.

I'm not at all surprised at the backlash, and having discussed this with some TL DotA users after the split, quite a few of them of them have the same complaints that I expressed concerns about internally before the split.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:17:41
May 11 2014 23:13 GMT
#38448
Here's a bullet point list by Zealously on why Liquid`Dota2 was made and I think on most points I agree with. I'm of the belief that fans, both diehard and causal, want to be a part of a community that has full support of whatever game/sport they're behind. TL didn't/doesn't have that with a home site that caters to so many other aspects. TL Dota2 was going to be limited to its growth compared to other dedicated Dota2 communities out there.

Regardless, TL LoL will stay on TL main. We no longer have the staff to support a spinoff even if some of us wanted to, etc.

Edit: also, because of the kind of game HearthStone is, there is simply a limitation of what can be discussed about a card game with such a shallow pool of cards. I think a lot of things Yango brought up won't affect Liquid`Dota2 to the degree it has done to Liquid`Hearth.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 11 2014 23:17 GMT
#38449
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.
Retvrn to Forvms
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 11 2014 23:18 GMT
#38450
On May 12 2014 08:17 Chrispy wrote:
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.

Second best post of the day. bly is still king though.
Hi Chrispy :3
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:22:14
May 11 2014 23:19 GMT
#38451
On May 12 2014 08:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: also, because of the kind of game HearthStone is, there is simply a limitation of what can be discussed about a card game with such a shallow pool of cards. I think a lot of things Yango brought up won't affect Liquid`Dota2 to the degree it has done to Liquid`Hearth.

The issues I brought up have to do with the integration of non-gaming content/discussion into the community. I don't believe the nature of the game itself has any impact on this, and as I said, LiquidHearth has totally failed to foster any sort of non-gaming community interaction. It's literally all HS on that site, and most attempts to build non-HS content/discussion have died.

With regards to League, our subcommunity is interesting in that we have an internal self-contained hub for off-topic discussion. Truth be told, I'd be much more confident in LiquidDota and LiquidHearth's ability to grow their non-DotA/HS community if such a thing existed for those subforums before the split. I'd actually argue that LiquidLoL would be more successful as its own site than LiquidDota or LiquidHearth because of this.
Moderator
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:35:41
May 11 2014 23:19 GMT
#38452
On May 12 2014 08:17 Chrispy wrote:
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.


Do you have a death wish?

Sold someone on Pokemon X and Y, and maybe Alpha and Omega, by telling him you COULD MOVE DIAGONALLY. Future of Pokemon is real.
Steam: rook492
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 11 2014 23:22 GMT
#38453
On May 12 2014 08:17 Chrispy wrote:
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.


We gotta do this and then "accidentally" make posts in dota threads where we talk about what they're talking about, but call heroes champions and creeps minions or whatever.

Then we just add in "Edit: Wrong thread" at the end.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:23:42
May 11 2014 23:22 GMT
#38454
You can come at me with your logic and sound reasoning, but I'm still not going to like it at all. This shift ruins what I like about TL and ultimately makes me only come here for this thread. This shift also makes my lurking powers weaker and for that you wound me greatly TL.

You wound me.

On May 12 2014 08:17 Chrispy wrote:
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.



Chrispy for president.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:25:05
May 11 2014 23:24 GMT
#38455
edit: nm
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 11 2014 23:25 GMT
#38456
I am super bored today. So many hours till Game of Throwns.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#38457
On May 12 2014 08:19 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 08:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: also, because of the kind of game HearthStone is, there is simply a limitation of what can be discussed about a card game with such a shallow pool of cards. I think a lot of things Yango brought up won't affect Liquid`Dota2 to the degree it has done to Liquid`Hearth.

The issues I brought up have to do with the integration of non-gaming content/discussion into the community. I don't believe the nature of the game itself has any impact on this, and as I said, LiquidHearth has totally failed to foster any sort of non-gaming community interaction. It's literally all HS on that site, and most attempts to build non-HS content/discussion have died.

With regards to League, our subcommunity is interesting in that we have an internal self-contained hub for off-topic discussion. Truth be told, I'd be much more confident in LiquidDota and LiquidHearth's ability to grow their non-DotA/HS community if such a thing existed for those subforums before the split. I'd actually argue that LiquidLoL would be more successful as its own site than LiquidDota or LiquidHearth because of this.

Non-x content/discussion seems pretty low on a totem of importance. It really depends on the "familial" aspect of a community, something that TL LoL is actually very strong on, like you said. But I'm sure the admins care more about the competitive aspect for the community than off-topic content.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#38458
On May 12 2014 08:19 Crusnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 08:17 Chrispy wrote:
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.


Do you have a death wish?

Remember: bravery is the original spirit of LoL.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 11 2014 23:27 GMT
#38459
On May 12 2014 08:22 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 08:17 Chrispy wrote:
I say we move our sub forum to LiquidDota.


We gotta do this and then "accidentally" make posts in dota threads where we talk about what they're talking about, but call heroes champions and creeps minions or whatever.

Then we just add in "Edit: Wrong thread" at the end.

l0l, there was actually a joke in the staff forum where the "Introducing LiquidDota" post opened with "Greetings Summoners". But it was taken down in the end because how butthurt some general users would've taken it.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 11 2014 23:29 GMT
#38460
On May 12 2014 08:08 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:47 red_ wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:35 Cixah wrote:
I don't like Liquid breaking up into its own sites. I don't even visit liquid hearth because it's 1)not blue, and 2) not easily clickable from the TL homepage.

This idea feels rushed, bad, and useless


I mean, the links to all of the sites are in the top right, that's not why I don't like it.

I do however very much dislike it because I can no longer just jump onto TL, hit subscribed threads, and see anything I want to instantly within reason. Doing that before a few hours ago, I would see any new posts in threads I care about, be able to scroll through one single sidebar to see if an active topic looks interesting, see a one stop shop calendar, and have all the streams I want in one place.

I do find it kind of hilarious though that LoL and 'other games' are still on the 'generic'/Starcraft TL site, even though it's apparently the least supported amongst the truly high up staffers. Who knew that would end up being a good thing?

I am a little surprised by the hesitancy of the general users about this change. Personally I wouldn't have minded a separate TL site for League. But then again, I only follow League. I never really followed Dota2 and I stopped caring about SC2 probably 4-5 years ago.


What is the attraction of having a seperate LoL site? Why does it have to be seperated?

I basically never visit Liquidhearth because it's more links to click to get there for no reason.

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