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On September 28 2013 04:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:08 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 04:04 mordek wrote:On September 28 2013 04:01 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 03:42 mordek wrote:On September 28 2013 03:22 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 03:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 28 2013 03:17 Requizen wrote:On September 28 2013 03:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 28 2013 03:03 Requizen wrote:
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Is the game making work related or are you just collecting monies for side projects? Game making is a hobby that I'm starting. In particular, I had an idea for one at a game industry in STL panel the other day and I want to see if I can make it work. I'm also really interested in HTML 5 canvas and Javascript gaming after the first game jam I went to, so that's what I want to use. Only problem is I know nothing about JS. SO HERE WE GO. Like srsly I want to do work BUT NO ONE IS PREPARED AS I AM FOR ANYTHING (that and they're all busy with other stuff and I'm new and just starting) On September 28 2013 03:05 Requizen wrote:
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It's part of the reason I got fired from my first job. This is job 3 since college lol, though I quit the last one. wat rly? Damn your company cared about that shit. I don't think what I do here matters if I get shit done. BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE WATCHING AND DISAGREE JUST LET ME KNOW BEFORE YOU FIRE ME. My first job knew about it for some time and I had several manager meetings to tell me to stop it. But I really didn't give a shit about the job and didn't think they'd actually fire me. I was wrong. My second job was way more lax because it was just me and another developer at the airport while our boss would only drop by once a week at most. It was pretty chill, but also the work was pretty ass. I'm thinking about changing careers. Software development is pretty boring now that I've been doing it for a while and as I've yet to get a job in gaming I don't think it'll get better. o i c What would you try next? dunno. I always kind of wanted to get my pilot's license for some reason. Seems like it'd be a pretty cool job. I was going to go into the Air Force after high school but you can't be a pilot for them without 20/20, and Lasik was way too expensive at the time. Honestly though I always sort of wanted to do trade work, like an electrician or something. But I like have a degree and shit and people expect me to do something worthwhile with my life. I just kind of want to work with my hands and fix stuff, but there's no glory in that haha. There are plenty of days I feel the same way Req. Trade work is meaningful, but I get where you're going with that. Yeah, I don't mean to insult anyone who's a trade worker, just, you know, you don't get the same looks telling people you're a Carpenter as you do Developer or BA or something like that. I honestly don't care about it, but I do feel bad that my parents and grandparents helped me out with college and shit and I don't want to waste the degree they put so much money into. I mean, I don't hate programming, per se, I like the problem solving and creation, but I have trouble getting into projects I just don't give a shit about, and that's been everything so far. I dunno, maybe I just suck at being happy with what I have haha. Being content is definitely a skill to acquire I think. However, sticking it out in some job that just doesn't suit you out of guilt sounds way worse than finding something you get more satisfaction out that's unrelated to your degree. I get bummed when I meet people and they ask what I do. "I work in regulatory at an orthopedics company" "What does that mean" "I process complaints and file reports to the FDA" -.- I can't say it's my favorite activity  Yeah, really that's one of the biggest reasons I'm that indecisive. I'm worried that I'll quit this, get another degree or start a new different career, and then realize that I really like programming but now I just put myself behind months or years. Long story short, real life sucks and needs save points and/or a restart feature. The Dean extends your diploma to you: [You take it graciously and walk across the stage.] [You grab it, tear it up, and scream "WOO ANARCHY!"] [You run in the opposite direction and never look back.] Time to choose: 20-19-18-...
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Yeah...I enjoy my job enough and like the people I work with. I don't hate getting up in the morning and going to work (like I have for jobs in the past).
But I've still got aspirations to do business intelligence for a gaming company. I'm hoping that in 2 or 3 years, once I get experience under my belt, that it will be something I can actually pursue.
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But your a single guy living in Chicago... now's the time 
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Everyone wants to work for Naughty Dog but we can't all be making the next TLoU
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I need to learn how to use Photoshop better.
Random comment.
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On September 28 2013 04:20 mordek wrote:But your a single guy living in Chicago... now's the time
That's assuming I'm a normal person.
Seriously it's as if you people here have not been paying attention at all. I'm fucking insane.
On September 28 2013 04:25 Nos- wrote:
Everyone wants to work for Naughty Dog but we can't all be making the next TLoU
Riot is my top choice. Blizz, Naughty Dog, and Bungie are all up there as well.
I've applied to all multiple times to no avail ahah.
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I've heard nothing but good things about working at Riot. I'm not sure I could work for Blizz while it's still ActivitionBlizzard. Bungie would also be awesome. Irrational Games is apparently in Quincy, MA. Didn't realize it was that close to me.
But I came out of college with such broad degrees that I don't currently have too much to offer at face value for a gaming company.
I learn shit real fast. I came into this job knowing absolutely nothing about SAP products or anything to do with the job. And I know that if I had the opportunity to learn what I need to inside one of those companies, I'd be damn good. But it's getting in the door that's the hard part haha.
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It's the "having nothing to show" that is the hard part for anyone. You either
a) Need to have a portfolio that shows off your skills
or
b) Have a large resume full of relevant experience over several years.
I find it hard to do (a), knowing that even if I spend a lot of time doing shit and pouring my heart into projects, it might still end in rejection. So I'm just trying to grind out years of experience and hope that some day it's good enough to get noticed.
Maybe I just suck at this hah
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If you're doing dev stuff it's mostly just what projects you've worked on from what I've heard. Unless the companies you've worked for are big names you better hope your portfolio has some impressive stuff, cause everyone and their mother's made a game out of java at this point.
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United States15536 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
It's the "having nothing to show" that is the hard part for anyone. You either
a) Need to have a portfolio that shows off your skills
or
b) Have a large resume full of relevant experience over several years.
I find it hard to do (a), knowing that even if I spend a lot of time doing shit and pouring my heart into projects, it might still end in rejection. So I'm just trying to grind out years of experience and hope that some day it's good enough to get noticed.
Maybe I just suck at this hah
For a) find a game dev scene in your area and do game jams. Odds are, it exists, and that's a good way to do it. That's what I'm trying to do myself. It's hard for me to invest in truly creating and finishing something when there's so much PLAYING to do, so I often have a hard time with it. That's why game jams are great: you make something, finish it, and meet people with whom you can do it again. And you know that you can afterwards.
On September 28 2013 04:38 Nos- wrote:
If you're doing dev stuff it's mostly just what projects you've worked on from what I've heard. Unless the companies you've worked for are big names you better hope your portfolio has some impressive stuff, cause everyone and their mother's made a game out of java at this point.
You'd be surprised how many people have started a game in <popular language X> and not finished it. Plus, there are other things than a portfolio, like the ability to relate to other human beings, that comes in handy. But even having a bunch of finished stuff gets you in the door*
* from what I've heard
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Please, Requizen, it is not about yearning for the finish line, but loving and enjoying the moment! Do what you love and believe in it and life will surely never fail you! All you need is a bit of courage and faith in yourself and your dreams.
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I'm with you there Req. I think you're just a few years ahead of me =P
"Hoping that it's good enough to get noticed" is probably a bit too passive. If you really want to get somewhere, you have to at least try lol. And if you have relevant skills, then go for it.
I wish I had done something with comp sci during college. But at the start of college I wasn't comfortable enough with myself to pursue a life of nerddom (my gf at the time was really trying to suppress my inner nerd). I thought it was kinda just a hobby sort of thing and that I should get a job doing "real things"
Fast forward 4 years and I wish I had more of a focus in computers.
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On September 28 2013 04:27 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:20 mordek wrote:But your a single guy living in Chicago... now's the time That's assuming I'm a normal person. Seriously it's as if you people here have not been paying attention at all. I'm fucking insane. I've applied to all multiple times to no avail ahah.
I think you're feelings are quite normal I'm just saying, if you get any more obligations it makes it harder to make that switch (house, wife, kids)
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I have my doubts of Riot. So many things about them seem very cultish...
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On September 28 2013 04:39 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
It's the "having nothing to show" that is the hard part for anyone. You either
a) Need to have a portfolio that shows off your skills
or
b) Have a large resume full of relevant experience over several years.
I find it hard to do (a), knowing that even if I spend a lot of time doing shit and pouring my heart into projects, it might still end in rejection. So I'm just trying to grind out years of experience and hope that some day it's good enough to get noticed.
Maybe I just suck at this hah For a) find a game dev scene in your area and do game jams. Odds are, it exists, and that's a good way to do it. That's what I'm trying to do myself. It's hard for me to invest in truly creating and finishing something when there's so much PLAYING to do, so I often have a hard time with it. That's why game jams are great: you make something, finish it, and meet people with whom you can do it again. And you know that you can afterwards.
Like Nos- said, though, having made a game is really nothing special unless it's, you know, something really special. With how easy it is to throw together a browser/desktop/XBLA/phone game nowadays, having done it a handful of times is nothing to write home about.
Oh well, I'm lazy anyway. Let someone more deserving get the job lol.
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Yeah, I certainly don't envy developers trying to break into the scene...
Req, don't be so hard on yourself. You're clearly a real bright guy (albeit a bit insane). Don't sell yourself short.
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On September 28 2013 04:40 Scip wrote:
Please, Requizen, it is not about yearning for the finish line, but loving and enjoying the moment! Do what you love and believe in it and life will surely never fail you! All you need is a bit of courage and faith in yourself and your dreams.
You're like a shounen manga lol. Are you Naruto?
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Hoping that he will get noticed left Entenzwerg teamless for more than half a year
counterbalancing love with fear at every turn, they call me nemesis
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United States15536 Posts
On September 28 2013 04:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm with you there Req. I think you're just a few years ahead of me =P
"Hoping that it's good enough to get noticed" is probably a bit too passive. If you really want to get somewhere, you have to at least try lol. And if you have relevant skills, then go for it.
I wish I had done something with comp sci during college. But at the start of college I wasn't comfortable enough with myself to pursue a life of nerddom (my gf at the time was really trying to suppress my inner nerd). I thought it was kinda just a hobby sort of thing and that I should get a job doing "real things"
Fast forward 4 years and I wish I had more of a focus in computers.
Beautiful thing about programming is you can always learn.
http://www.codecademy.com/learn
https://www.udacity.com/
Also this:
(my gf at the time was really trying to suppress my inner nerd)
Always sad to hear about. Advice to those not in relationships or in ones that feel like this: this is bad and unhealthy. It sucks. Even if two people in a relationship can't agree on hobbies, there should at least be respect. For example, my friend's gf refers to the place where he keeps his gaming stuff as the "shame shelf." T_T hate that shit.
>_<
On September 28 2013 04:41 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:39 AsmodeusXI wrote:On September 28 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
It's the "having nothing to show" that is the hard part for anyone. You either
a) Need to have a portfolio that shows off your skills
or
b) Have a large resume full of relevant experience over several years.
I find it hard to do (a), knowing that even if I spend a lot of time doing shit and pouring my heart into projects, it might still end in rejection. So I'm just trying to grind out years of experience and hope that some day it's good enough to get noticed.
Maybe I just suck at this hah For a) find a game dev scene in your area and do game jams. Odds are, it exists, and that's a good way to do it. That's what I'm trying to do myself. It's hard for me to invest in truly creating and finishing something when there's so much PLAYING to do, so I often have a hard time with it. That's why game jams are great: you make something, finish it, and meet people with whom you can do it again. And you know that you can afterwards. Like Nos- said, though, having made a game is really nothing special unless it's, you know, something really special. With how easy it is to throw together a browser/desktop/XBLA/phone game nowadays, having done it a handful of times is nothing to write home about. Oh well, I'm lazy anyway. Let someone more deserving get the job lol.
I really don't think it's as easy to do as you guys think. I also don't think that you're properly valuing ANY finished product. I mean, I realize there's a stupid amount of them out there, but not ANYONE can do it and very few people ACTUALLY finish. It's just that 'few' in a field of 'thousands' is a lot. Regardless, having anything, good or not, on a resume is good for your career. Especially if they can show growth and development. Then you prove you can learn too.
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On September 28 2013 04:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm with you there Req. I think you're just a few years ahead of me =P
"Hoping that it's good enough to get noticed" is probably a bit too passive. If you really want to get somewhere, you have to at least try lol. And if you have relevant skills, then go for it.
I wish I had done something with comp sci during college. But at the start of college I wasn't comfortable enough with myself to pursue a life of nerddom (my gf at the time was really trying to suppress my inner nerd). I thought it was kinda just a hobby sort of thing and that I should get a job doing "real things"
Fast forward 4 years and I wish I had more of a focus in computers. Beautiful thing about programming is you can always learn. http://www.codecademy.com/learnhttps://www.udacity.com/Also this: Always sad to hear about. Advice to those not in relationships or in ones that feel like this: this is bad and unhealthy. It sucks. Even if two people in a relationship can't agree on hobbies, there should at least be respect. For example, my friend's gf refers to the place where he keeps his gaming stuff as the "shame shelf." T_T hate that shit. >_<
Yes, but while I enjoy programming, I'm also fairly bad at it. I understand it and how to do it, but I lack some creativity I think. (I got a 1 on my AP Comp Sci exam in high school) Maybe my issue is that I just don't study xD
And yes, my current gf is much better for me. She understands that I've got my nerd shit. She doesn't judge me (too much) when I tell her I'm going away for a weekend of magic/DnD. She lets me do my thing. It's really refreshing to be allowed to do what I want.
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