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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 07 2014 00:15 GMT
#27141
Tournaments are held based on the tiers, you can only use Pokemon of that tier or lower. It's a little wonky because there are a couple well-known tier lists and they change every so often, but for the most part competitive play is OU, so everything but Ubers.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
March 07 2014 00:19 GMT
#27142
You guys talking about smite? Or that game who should not be named because it's a piece of shit. Almost in promos to go into plat, new season starts and you play all your games vs plat4/3/2 players and end up in sliver 2 because you didn't win every game. Take a break from the game and come back to being demoted to sliver 3. Ps fuck you league.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 07 2014 00:20 GMT
#27143
On March 07 2014 09:15 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 09:10 Requizen wrote:
On March 07 2014 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Lol Req, I made Gold

I barely played last month

I honestly have a hard time seeing how anyone can not make Gold at least, the cutoff was absurdly low. The competition since I've been promoted has been much more stiff.


I'll never make gold because I am too lazy to play. played with a duo-que guy for abit but he'd start complaining the moment things didn't go his way and tended to over-stay in lane/places instead of going back to extend his lead. Then servers exploded so I figured eh to hell with it.


we were talking about smite =P
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 07 2014 00:20 GMT
#27144
I was talking about Smite. This is the TLLOLOTDGT, after all.
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 07 2014 00:22 GMT
#27145
On March 07 2014 09:03 Frudgey wrote:
MoonBear once again crushing literally everyone with his pokemon knowledge.

Hey MoonBear, does Tyranitar see much competitive play?

Sincerely,

-A Curious Canadian.

T-Tar has seen lots of play ever since Gen II. I assume you're not asking for a histoy of competitive T-Tat and more a focus on Gen VI however. With the nerfs to weather, Tyranitar is not quite a King as he used to be working the role in weather wars and providing an offensive threat, however he still has a lot of use and Gen VI gave a lot of options. On a note about weather, T-Tar was hurt a lot less compared to, say, Politoed as the 5-turn limit is not as big a factor since you're DDancing up, or you're using him as a Stealth Rocks/Weather war fight. And you still get the SDef boost.

The first point in T-Tar's facour is obviously the Mega-Evolution which allows him to take a much stronger offensive role with the 164 (!) Base Attack stat post Mega-Evo. The buff to speed from 61 to 71 is nice but realistically there's not that many extra Pokemon you're outspeeding. Once you factor in +1 from DDance and Jolly you do get a nice advantage over lots of stuff and have a nice route to sweeping thanks to the fact Steel types can no longer wall your STAB Crunch. You also have 100% OHKO against things like Lando-T and Gliscor on the switch which is pretty important too.

The standard sets from last Gen also still work (such as the Sassy SRocks set up). It's possible it's even better this Gen since the prevalence of Defog means you want someone with a fair amount of bulk to be able to keep putting Rocks up, the Dark typing gives you some good switch-ins and you have more offensive power than Hippodon so you can actually threaten something. You still have that 4x Fighting weakness but I mean, why are you staying in against that Lucario anyway?

The nicest toy TTar has gotten is Assault Vest. In Sandstorm and some investments with Nature/EVs you can hit really silly SDef stats quite easily which gives you a very nice way to counteract momentum. You lose the power from the Mega Stone or the bulk from Leftovers but it's still a good choice. Alternatively Scarf-Tar can revenge things like Starmie and Latios which is nice. I guess the real issue is what you're looking for on a team and how T-Tar can fill it it since he an do a lot. You also have the problem of being limited to 6 Pokemon and sometimes T-Tar is good, but you just need something else right now.

So yeah. Definitely sees a good amount of use and solidly OU.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 07 2014 00:23 GMT
#27146
On March 07 2014 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 09:15 Parnage wrote:
On March 07 2014 09:10 Requizen wrote:
On March 07 2014 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Lol Req, I made Gold

I barely played last month

I honestly have a hard time seeing how anyone can not make Gold at least, the cutoff was absurdly low. The competition since I've been promoted has been much more stiff.


I'll never make gold because I am too lazy to play. played with a duo-que guy for abit but he'd start complaining the moment things didn't go his way and tended to over-stay in lane/places instead of going back to extend his lead. Then servers exploded so I figured eh to hell with it.


we were talking about smite =P


..like.. like the jungle thing?

Awkward. *goes back to lurker*
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
March 07 2014 00:25 GMT
#27147
Wow. Thanks for the in-depth response MoonBear!
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 07 2014 00:25 GMT
#27148
On March 07 2014 08:54 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 08:46 Requizen wrote:
Sylveon was legit one of my best buddies during X. Few other Fairies were cool, but Lynn crushed everything since I had her as an Eevee.

Also BoonMare plz, I'm the best.


Goodra Avalugg best bros 4 lyfe

It was def. Water/Ground with Storm Drain, because that's immune to water and electricity, and thus you need grass-type coverage to hit it. Of course, that 4x grass weakness means you don't exactly need STAB to do scary damage.

yeahhhhhh goodra!

he was buddies with my sword and shield guy.
man i wish i remembered the names. i should not have played the japanese version.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 07 2014 00:26 GMT
#27149
On March 07 2014 09:25 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 08:54 Tooplark wrote:
On March 07 2014 08:46 Requizen wrote:
Sylveon was legit one of my best buddies during X. Few other Fairies were cool, but Lynn crushed everything since I had her as an Eevee.

Also BoonMare plz, I'm the best.


Goodra Avalugg best bros 4 lyfe

It was def. Water/Ground with Storm Drain, because that's immune to water and electricity, and thus you need grass-type coverage to hit it. Of course, that 4x grass weakness means you don't exactly need STAB to do scary damage.

yeahhhhhh goodra!

he was buddies with my sword and shield guy.
man i wish i remembered the names. i should not have played the japanese version.

(Honedge - > Duoblade ->) Aegislash
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 07 2014 00:40 GMT
#27150
On March 07 2014 09:12 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 09:07 Requizen wrote:
On March 07 2014 09:03 Frudgey wrote:
MoonBear once again crushing literally everyone with his pokemon knowledge.

Hey MoonBear, does Tyranitar see much competitive play?

Sincerely,

-A Curious Canadian.

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/tyranitar
http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/

Educate yo'sef

But how much does Over-Used mean? Are teams composed mostly of Over-Used Pokemon? Does it depend on the tournament layout? How often are there pokemon tournaments?

I know literally nothing about the Pokemon competitive scene so the links don't tell me too much, but I do have a rough idea. Thanks for the links though.

Under the Smogon 6v6 Singles Rules, there are several Tiers: Ubers, OU, UU, RU, NU, LC In each tier, you can use anything that's below it but not above. (e.g. You can use UU in OU, but you can't use Ubers in RU)

  • Ubers: Legendaries and all the most broken stuff. Almost anything goes. Of course, this means there's a very small pool of Pokemon that are actually viable here. Example Pokemon: Arceus, Rayquaza, Mewtwo.
  • OU: One of the most popular tiers, Overused is basically all the "good stuff" that's not so broken it needs to be banished to Ubers. Nearly all non-Legendaries are allowed here so you can go wild and make whatever team you want. Whether that team is good or not though is another question. Think of it like LCS-level play if stuff like Kassadin and Yasuo had been banished. Most people use the "good stuff" to make strong teams, but you can still make a very good team out of not FotM and execute well. Example Pokemon: Lati@s, T-Tar, Alakazam, Aegislash.
  • UU: The tier of "almost good enough:. The Underused Tier has many former OUs from previous Gens living here who have lost their coveted OU slot because stuff that was better came out, or they have really awkward typings/move pools which means they're just not quite good enough. But they're still good enough to make it to some of the best teams when they take advantage of thing like synergy which limits the flaws that put them in UU to begin with. Example Pokemon: Victini, Arcanine, Snorlax.
  • RU: We are now entering the tier of "You used to be cool but then powercreep took over" and "If only". Maybe they're too slow. Their move pool too shallow. Or they have really poor stat/typing which means they get destroyed by a lot of things. Example Pokemon: Entei, Moltres, Lanturn.
  • NU: The tier of "Wait, people use you?" Poor movepools, typing, (seeing a trend here?) and meta changes mean you're just not viable. Example Pokemon: Golem, Seaking, Unown.
  • LC: A niche tier. Technically LC isn't so much a tier and more a format. Little Cup is basically where you only fight with the baby not evolved Pokemon like Charmander and Pichu (Pikachu is NU as it's not the lowest evolved form) and everyone is level 5. There are special rules of course like no Dragon Rage (since 40 hp damage is pretty nuts when everyone only has maybe 30 hp).
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 07 2014 00:40 GMT
#27151
On March 07 2014 08:57 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 08:54 Alaric wrote:
On March 07 2014 08:42 MoonBear wrote:
On March 07 2014 05:46 TheYango wrote:
On March 07 2014 04:22 Requizen wrote:
Grass is a pretty poor type overall though, imo. When it comes to offensive power, it's good against Water, Rock, and Ground, and you likely already have a Water type, so grab an Electric type instead and also be covered against Flying. It's weak to Flying, Fire, and Ice, three pretty common offensive attacks.

Well, there's Water/Ground types and Storm Drain but those usually don't warrant a full Grass-type, just some coverage moves at best.

If you're getting hosed by a Gastrodon, there's something wrong with your team. At worst, you maybe try FWG core but idk how good that is in Gen VI. Intuitively I can't see that ore working too well unless you go Mega-Venu since Mega-Gengar/Kanga/Lucario are all gone? Hm...

I think he meant Water and Ground types weak to Grass, separately.

I know that. And I'm saying if they're causing you problems your team is built badly anyway and if push really comes to shove you can just use FWG core. There's a reason Quaggy and Gastrodon are niche.

Alaric pls

I'm already forced to google about any Pokemon name because apart from a few from gen1 (and stuff like Sudowoodo or Ho-oh or the legendary dogs (obv.)) I only know their French names. And none at all from gen... whatever Ruby/Sapphire was onward.
MoonBear pls. >_> You have no idea how much effort I pour into this!

(I thought Lucario was a legendary for a long time. He just had the campy name for it and people were talking so much about him.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 07 2014 00:59 GMT
#27152
On March 07 2014 09:26 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 09:25 kainzero wrote:
On March 07 2014 08:54 Tooplark wrote:
On March 07 2014 08:46 Requizen wrote:
Sylveon was legit one of my best buddies during X. Few other Fairies were cool, but Lynn crushed everything since I had her as an Eevee.

Also BoonMare plz, I'm the best.


Goodra Avalugg best bros 4 lyfe

It was def. Water/Ground with Storm Drain, because that's immune to water and electricity, and thus you need grass-type coverage to hit it. Of course, that 4x grass weakness means you don't exactly need STAB to do scary damage.

yeahhhhhh goodra!

he was buddies with my sword and shield guy.
man i wish i remembered the names. i should not have played the japanese version.

(Honedge - > Duoblade ->) Aegislash

yeah i know i can look it up, haha. but i like having that knowledge where you know the name of the top of your head.

when i played bravely default i changed everyone's name to be japanese characters because looking at Agnés and Ringabel really bothered me. i can't even look at Ringabel's name without laughing.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 07 2014 01:04 GMT
#27153
Eh, could be way worse than Agnès. It has the advantage of being a real name.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 07 2014 01:17 GMT
#27154
OH GAWD I FINALLY BEAT DARK SOULS

I feel so relieved x.x
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
March 07 2014 01:23 GMT
#27155
On March 07 2014 10:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
OH GAWD I FINALLY BEAT DARK SOULS

I feel so relieved x.x


Congrats, only 6 days and Dark Soul2 comes out though ^^

I'm playing on PS3, since the PC version isn't coming out right away, so if people will need help I'll probably be able to provide it.
Steam: rook492
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 07 2014 01:29 GMT
#27156
Does anyone know how you can keep a stream muted but fullscreen on a second monitor? It automatically un-fullscreen when I click anywhere if it is muted
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 07 2014 01:33 GMT
#27157
On March 07 2014 10:29 SagaZ wrote:
Does anyone know how you can keep a stream muted but fullscreen on a second monitor? It automatically un-fullscreen when I click anywhere if it is muted

Stop being BR and it'll allow you to.
God Bless
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 07 2014 01:40 GMT
#27158
On March 07 2014 10:29 SagaZ wrote:
Does anyone know how you can keep a stream muted but fullscreen on a second monitor? It automatically un-fullscreen when I click anywhere if it is muted

Alt tab to another window first and then click around? I've never had a problem regardless of mute/unmute status.

Alternatively, open a new window with the /popout link and then maximize that window isntead of fullscreen
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 07 2014 01:41 GMT
#27159
On March 07 2014 10:29 SagaZ wrote:
Does anyone know how you can keep a stream muted but fullscreen on a second monitor? It automatically un-fullscreen when I click anywhere if it is muted

Type /popout after the stream and it'll take up the whole browser window.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-07 01:49:10
March 07 2014 01:48 GMT
#27160
so guys this is my current hc barb build
Primary: Cleave (glyph = slow, or extra damage, or the explode on killing blow thing
Primary boss fights: Frenzy with maniac.
Secondary
1: Rend with bloodlust (healing)
2: Hammer of Wraith with rolling thunder (good DPS and the cone makes it hit way more targets)
3: Seismic slam with stun (80% stun wat)
pick 1
Revenge slot 1: Revenge with blood law
Buff slot 1: Warcry with whatever is optimal (10% life+regen atm)

Defensive 1: Stomp with cyclone strike ruin (optional but very effective now that elites don't get the duration reduced it seems, or only by a little)
Defensive 2: Leap with iron impact
getting threatening shout instead of the secondary seems viable
I heard of people using whirlwind, seems like ti sucks to me, you can't keep it going for that long and the damage increase is minor, its only good for power farming as far as I can see.

Passives: Vit-->Armour, +25% armour, Superstition

I don't see any other variance. Berserker rage is optional for 25% more damage and take rend so you never spend fury.
I also feel a lack of ways to improve your damage other than that. Fury spenders don do a whole lot except for more AoE damage which you excel at anyway. I guess barbs just suck at single target damage.

DPS is kinda stuck at 60k even though I have a 1350 DPS legendary and 3.4k strength. Obviously its due to lack of crit damage and crit% but there doesn't seem any easy ways to buff it up and abuse that crit

monks with way of the hundred fists blazing fists overawe conviction mantra and faith in the light and breath of heaven gave you tons of ways to massively amp up your dps
I guess barb is a bit tankier nowadays though
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