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New inhouse logistics TBD. In the meantime, feel free to hang out in the league general discord https://discord.gg/0lCEKA3jUEFxERzd ("add lol" in #welcome) and get some ad-hoc games going!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 01 2013 15:15 GMT
#321
While I agree Navi, there's a pretty great difficulty in getting good feedback about a draft irrespective of the actual outcome of the game.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 01 2013 15:17 GMT
#322
get someone good to look at it for you. although i can see what u mean. maybe someone who isn't playing or is objective enough to review it
Hey! Listen!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 01 2013 15:20 GMT
#323
I think trying to get a high level observer in each game would be an amazingly good thing.

Somebody who could actually write down notes as the game is being played and post about them after / discuss them with everybody on voicechat.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 01 2013 15:23 GMT
#324
most realistically though, every player post game can frame some of the flaws and swings of a game to the draft (even if its just in a reflex to deflect blame etc, its often very well reasoned and informative). even if the explanation isn't perfect, the process of creating that reasoning and explaining to others (and evaluating and critiquing said reasoning) is probably one of the fastest way of gaining more "game sense"

in a practical perspective, this means there should be post game critique (it seems there already is) with perhaps more emphasis on its relation to the draft. and for this to be valid, you need real drafts.

i haven't actually played an inhouse yet so don't know how much of a problem, if it is at all, drafting is. just some tidbits from neo and this thread seem to give off dis impression~
Hey! Listen!
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 01 2013 15:28 GMT
#325
On August 02 2013 00:20 Ketara wrote:
I think trying to get a high level observer in each game would be an amazingly good thing.

Somebody who could actually write down notes as the game is being played and post about them after / discuss them with everybody on voicechat.


too much hassle to maintain such critiquing for a long time, but there are people who when in the mood would be willing to do it.

realistically, if someone were to send me a PM asking about two drafts (bans and picks and sides) from my standpoint i'd be interested in doing it (for my own entertainment and thought experimentation) while the process would not be too inconvenient (wouldn't take too long to think / jot down important thoughts). it'd be easy to maintain this level of action because i check TL for news and stuff and the PM sign is loud enough to always see a new one come in. if you want these inhouses to be a thing, should think for practicality as well.
Hey! Listen!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 15:37:53
August 01 2013 15:36 GMT
#326
However it's easiest to do it.

I think if we actually want to learn, discussing drafts should be a major part of it.

Personally I'm really bad at drafts and I could get better. I just fallback to Lux in ranked 90% of the time because I know she's a safe champion with no real counters who works in a majority of compositions.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 01 2013 15:48 GMT
#327
easiest to do as in learn from the players' side with an experienced critic? because that is a time sink for critics. i used to do that kind of stuff but eventually too many requests = stop altogether.

it would be more practical to have lower burden requests (e.g. draft-only objective critique) or organic criticism (players themselves).

also it may be more reasonable and helpful to have separate critics present for explanations and fleshing out of draft processes and reasoning. i have found from experience that this makes for the most valuable discussion at even high levels.
Hey! Listen!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 19:44:21
August 01 2013 16:02 GMT
#328
I am in bronze and last night i had the opportunity to play with people above gold for the first time ever.
Wow. everyone is so accurate and hits faster and stronger. It really gave me a good perspective on ways to improve.
Thanks
EDIT: i was also nervous as hell and played like shit as a result so hopefully that experience is behind me now too
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 18:09:56
August 01 2013 18:06 GMT
#329
On August 02 2013 00:12 Navi wrote:
for people looking to improve poor drafting (i.e. fake / troll bans) should not be an excuse.
the draft is by far the most impactful 2/3 minutes to decide the direction and flow of the vast majority of matches, and being able to draft well is a great sign of good game understanding.

if you're too lazy to draft well, don't shame others out of it. if one person out of 10 wants to draft thoughtfully, assuming that this really is about improvement, i'd do it for that one guy.


I assume you are referring to my post? I was fp in the first inhouse I played and someone told me not to ban anything good so that people could practice whatever they wanted. beyond that there were no other 'restrictions' they just told me what they wanted to do with their first 3 picks and I advised my team to draft accordingly.

My apprehension was not that my team was unreceptive to strategic drafting (obviously they were not) but that perhaps the other team had not considered it and shouldn't feel bad about losing (in my opinion) in champ select.
Carrilord has arrived.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 01 2013 18:11 GMT
#330
If you want me to criticize some drafts you can post champion bans/picks here
I don't read this thread often so if you do PM me to notify me. :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 02 2013 00:32 GMT
#331
On August 02 2013 01:02 ComaDose wrote:
I am in bronze and last night i had the opportunity to play with people above gold for the first time ever.
Wow. everyone is so accurate and hits faster and stronger. It really gave me a good perspective on ways to improve.
Thanks
EDIT: i was also nervous as hell and played like shit as a result so hopefully that experience is behind me now too



Happens to all of us. First inhouse I played, I was 1400 ish in S2 (silver range). I got the SHIT KICKED OUT OF ME AND LOOKED LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT. But I learned a lot about that game and definitely didn't mind the stomp. People just need to know what to expect in an inhouse with better players.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 02 2013 23:03 GMT
#332
Next playday will be tomorrow at 1 in the afternoon. I'll be busy tonight, so no games at a reasonable time.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 03 2013 05:36 GMT
#333
We should just throw games from here into the replay thread and have people post in there constructively

I need some backup because I'm super busy nowadays and I'm sure people are capable of doing strong replay analyses + it would help this group out
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 03 2013 18:16 GMT
#334
We're trying teamspeak today yes~?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 03 2013 18:33 GMT
#335
On August 04 2013 03:16 Ketara wrote:
We're trying teamspeak today yes~?

If we do that, what server are we using. Last time was skype, but I missed out, so idk if it went poorly or well.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 03 2013 18:40 GMT
#336
On August 04 2013 03:33 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 03:16 Ketara wrote:
We're trying teamspeak today yes~?

If we do that, what server are we using. Last time was skype, but I missed out, so idk if it went poorly or well.

The TL one.
God Bless
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 18:40:49
August 03 2013 18:40 GMT
#337
I would assume TeamLiquid's TS.

Edit: So close, and yet so far.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 18:51:20
August 03 2013 18:46 GMT
#338
Registration
- Ingame name
iamthatis

- Rank and division
Silver? I don't play ranked but I'm definitely higher than whatever division Nimbus' Blitz skills are in.

- If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two)
Top, support
- For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on
Top: GP, Shen
Support: Lulu, Leona
- If you are Plat or higher, just include rank and division
Stay positive!
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 19:23:28
August 03 2013 19:10 GMT
#339
On August 04 2013 03:40 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 03:33 docvoc wrote:
On August 04 2013 03:16 Ketara wrote:
We're trying teamspeak today yes~?

If we do that, what server are we using. Last time was skype, but I missed out, so idk if it went poorly or well.

The TL one.

I just went to the TL teamspeak page and my autoconnect didn't work (the click for 1 time connection) how do I connect? I went to teamliquid.teamspeak.com but I don't know if that is the TL teamspeak. I know there is an authentication code, but I can't tell where to input it. I'm a teamspeak noob, I've had the app for maybe a week T.T

EDIT: I got it to work now.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 03 2013 20:01 GMT
#340
Are we starting this?

What channel name?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
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