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On August 18 2024 01:45 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and earns the same as ShoWTimE who didn't even win a single map. Any further questions? Why pick on poor Showtime? He only had one Bo3 to play with, Coffee went 0-6 and got the same placement and remuneration as his compatriot from the same bracket that SHINTime didn’t get to play
Because it just so happens that the difference between ShoWTimE's and Oliveira's performances is the most stark, and so the fact they end up in the same position demonstrates how ridiculous this format is.
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On August 18 2024 01:48 Acrofales wrote:
herO made that look stupid easy.
I'm not sure why Reynor didn't proxy the spire. Seems like you should always want to do that
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On August 18 2024 01:42 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain I think the tournament is phenomenal at deciding the top 4, and I think it's extremely hard for anyone to argue that anyone who has been knocked out should have been in the semis. What the tournament is bad at is separating the 5th-18th places. Because the only tournament at that point is a bunch of Bo3s which is kind of insane. And there's massive payout differences for each place.
Maru not being in the ro4 is fair on paper since he lost to Dark, Serral, and Cure (who are all players he could easily face in say, a Katowice RO8), but a top contender being eliminated by a single bo3 feels awful.
Anyways if EWC wants a similar format in the future, there should be more seeding into later rounds of the knockout bracket and it should be Bo5. Last chance qualifiers should either have the same chances as people who qualified via points (or more slots can just be given to the standings, that's fine too.)
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On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and ended in the same position as ShoWTimE who didn't win a single map. Any further questions?
And he also lost two series.
As another poster pointed out, the differentiation of 5-18 placement is a bit rough, but let's be real - that doesn't matter quite as much as 1-4. But it is triple elimination, in a normal tournament Oliveira would not even be playing today.
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On August 18 2024 01:48 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:45 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and earns the same as ShoWTimE who didn't even win a single map. Any further questions? Why pick on poor Showtime? He only had one Bo3 to play with, Coffee went 0-6 and got the same placement and remuneration as his compatriot from the same bracket that SHINTime didn’t get to play Because it just so happens that the difference between ShoWTimE's and Oliveira's performances is the most stark, and so the fact they end up in the same position demonstrates how ridiculous this format is. Like I said: It's not confusing. It's just bad.
At least pick on Coffee. Showtime having only a single shot to do anything at all is one of the problems of the format.
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$15K on the line here as well btw
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
On August 18 2024 01:49 HeroSandro wrote:
herO is the chosen one?
Top 4 player of the tourney for sure.
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I feel like herO - Dark would be my dream finals at this point - what about everyone else?
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On August 18 2024 01:49 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and ended in the same position as ShoWTimE who didn't win a single map. Any further questions? And he also lost two series. As another poster pointed out, the differentiation of 5-18 placement is a bit rough, but let's be real - that doesn't matter quite as much as 1-4.
maybe it doesn't matter as much for you, but for these players it's a big difference in prize money for these players, they're working for this money it's their job
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On August 18 2024 01:53 Pandain wrote:
I feel like herO - Dark would be my dream finals at this point - what about everyone else?
Great potential for a clown-fiesta 😎 No matter what, we should get a great finals. Only Cure vs Serral would likely be a stomp.
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holy fuckkkk this game is nuts already
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On August 18 2024 01:55 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:49 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and ended in the same position as ShoWTimE who didn't win a single map. Any further questions? And he also lost two series. As another poster pointed out, the differentiation of 5-18 placement is a bit rough, but let's be real - that doesn't matter quite as much as 1-4. maybe it doesn't matter as much for you, but for these players it's a big difference in prize money for these players, they're working for this money it's their job
Look, I've always been a proponent for MUCH flatter distribution of prizes than what usually happens in tournaments. I agree with you - but as is, it just doesn't matter as much AND I still think it's not that bad of a format even for them. It is triple elimination, they have many shots to get as much money as they can
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On August 18 2024 01:49 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and ended in the same position as ShoWTimE who didn't win a single map. Any further questions? And he also lost two series. As another poster pointed out, the differentiation of 5-18 placement is a bit rough, but let's be real - that doesn't matter quite as much as 1-4. But it is triple elimination, in a normal tournament Oliveira would not even be playing today.
These players are professionals. They should be fairly rewarded for their efforts. This format doesn't achieve that.
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On August 18 2024 01:58 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:49 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and ended in the same position as ShoWTimE who didn't win a single map. Any further questions? And he also lost two series. As another poster pointed out, the differentiation of 5-18 placement is a bit rough, but let's be real - that doesn't matter quite as much as 1-4. But it is triple elimination, in a normal tournament Oliveira would not even be playing today. These players are professionals. They should be fairly rewarded for their efforts. This format doesn't achieve that.
rewarded for their efforts and the entertainment they provide for us too
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I think this format would be perfect if each round advanced in the initial groups seeded you into a higher round of the knockout bracket. The loser of the 2nd vs 2nd match should be seeded into the final of the knockout, losers of the lower bracket matches seeded 1 (or 2 to make the format work) rounds below that etc. Resetting everyone to an equal position regardless of group performance makes it weird.
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On August 18 2024 02:00 JJH777 wrote:
I think this format would be perfect if each round advanced in the initial groups seeded you into a higher round of the knockout bracket. The loser of the 2nd vs 2nd match should be seeded into the final of the knockout, losers of the lower bracket matches seeded 1 (or 2 to make the format work) rounds below that etc. Resetting everyone to an equal position regardless of group performance makes it weird.
Completely agree. Make this change and it's honestly a completely phenomenal format. And maybe make it bo5 sometime before the finals of the knockout. Doesn't necessarily need to be from the beginning but sometime before
Also this game!
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Northern Ireland27041 Posts
On August 18 2024 01:49 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2024 01:41 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 TentativePanda wrote:On August 18 2024 01:34 MJG wrote:On August 18 2024 01:32 TentativePanda wrote:
I actually like the format. Knockout bracket is the losers bracket, that's why you get eliminated there. Why is this confusing to people Who said it was confusing? It's just bad. How is it bad? Explain Oliveira won three Bo5 series and ended in the same position as ShoWTimE who didn't win a single map. Any further questions? And he also lost two series. As another poster pointed out, the differentiation of 5-18 placement is a bit rough, but let's be real - that doesn't matter quite as much as 1-4. But it is triple elimination, in a normal tournament Oliveira would not even be playing today.
In a normal tournament Oliveira wouldn’t have had two rematches in the same bracket either.
Outside of group + playoffs as a combination how many tournaments would you see a player end up playing Maru twice or Serral twice and still be in the reckoning for a joint 18th place finish? Plus add the calls they did take.
It feels almost like 3 tournaments in one. A gauntlet for the top 3 of the top 4, an entire other one for every placement below that, and a top 4 face off bracket
They just don’t feel joined-up that well into one cohesive whole.
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On August 18 2024 02:00 JJH777 wrote:
I think this format would be perfect if each round advanced in the initial groups seeded you into a higher round of the knockout bracket. The loser of the 2nd vs 2nd match should be seeded into the final of the knockout, losers of the lower bracket matches seeded 1 (or 2 to make the format work) rounds below that etc. Resetting everyone to an equal position regardless of group performance makes it weird.
This is what I am saying, not sure how this is even controversial.
Also, if y'all go ahead and look at how all the players finished, is it not mostly fair? I'd say the players pretty much lost where you'd expect them to. Maru was a slight upset but he still is 6th-7th. If it were such a bad format you'd expect wildly different placements than power level entering tourney.
Prize distribution is a different animal that no tourney gets right unfortunately
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