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On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close. Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.
Clem can at least beat him sometimes though which is more than you can say for Maru in both 2022 and 2023. Maru is the favorite vs literally everyone else in the world at the moment (besides maybe Maxpax) but he can't touch Serral. 0-7 in the last month. He's also an immense favorite even vs Zergs that regularly beat Clem. It makes no sense to me. I know different players matchups can play out differently and variance is a thing but in all 7 of those games there's only one where it looked to me like Maru had even a shot of winning. The rest had Serral in control from start to finish. It's rather depressing as a big Maru fan lol.
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The multi-drop approach just doesnt work against Serral, nor Reynor. Their spilt are way better than Solar/Ragnarok/Dark for Maru to take advantage of. There was a reason why Maru turtling against Reynor 70% of the time they play, with the 30% being all-in, because he couldnt beat Reynor in a straight up macro-micro game. I feel like the best way for Maru has always been turtling, max out army supply and send out small harrassment unit to clear creep / pick off workers.
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If Byun can't win a game like G1 this will be a grim series.
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Byun throwing into lurkers multiple times is not a good sign 
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Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good
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On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good
Lings and roaches too XD
That was a seriously good game by Serral.
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On September 10 2023 20:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good Lings and roaches too XD That was a seriously good game by Serral.
Going roaches to force tanks and then tech to vipers seems like a good strat, yeah
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On September 10 2023 20:40 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 20:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good Lings and roaches too XD That was a seriously good game by Serral. Going roaches to force tanks and then tech to vipers seems like a good strat, yeah
To attribute that game to just vipers is ridiculous lmao.
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On September 10 2023 20:43 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 20:40 Argonauta wrote:On September 10 2023 20:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good Lings and roaches too XD That was a seriously good game by Serral. Going roaches to force tanks and then tech to vipers seems like a good strat, yeah To attribute that game to just vipers is ridiculous lmao.
I mean.... it was the overall plan no?
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Serral is playing out of his mind this whole tournament. Incredible ZvT. Cure got close several times in this first match and still could not close it out.
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Feels Like cure should have gone Ghosts and Turtle faster and use the fact that He was in a Solid Spot with mech, instead of taking this Bad Fight after which serral was Just getting ahead and ahead.
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Queens > hellbat Push is still true.
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On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.
it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.
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On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true. it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.
I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)
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On September 10 2023 22:17 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true. it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does. I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)
That's zerg for you. The reliance on queens and how good it is is the biggest problem sc2 has imo.
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On September 10 2023 22:17 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true. it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does. I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)
OH, I agree, but I dont get why Rotti made the comment when we all now how bad are hellbat pushes are cuz queens
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Honestly Cure is outplaying Serral, but it doesnt matter.
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On September 10 2023 22:17 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true. it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does. I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)
Similar to the 4 rax stim/cs pushes that go unscouted until the last minute and still fall flat to queens and last minute unit production
Sure the maps being bigger don’t help, but overall queens just hold everything
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Also Balance aside i think lotvs core philosophy overlaps way too Well with zergs core philosophy which means that unless Balance is hard against zerg, they can always find some ways to win, at this high of a Level.
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Serral winning after that hold from Cure is omegalul
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EPT
