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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4400 Posts
September 09 2023 23:34 GMT
#61
On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.



Clem can at least beat him sometimes though which is more than you can say for Maru in both 2022 and 2023. Maru is the favorite vs literally everyone else in the world at the moment (besides maybe Maxpax) but he can't touch Serral. 0-7 in the last month. He's also an immense favorite even vs Zergs that regularly beat Clem. It makes no sense to me. I know different players matchups can play out differently and variance is a thing but in all 7 of those games there's only one where it looked to me like Maru had even a shot of winning. The rest had Serral in control from start to finish. It's rather depressing as a big Maru fan lol.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-10 02:34:51
September 10 2023 02:33 GMT
#62
The multi-drop approach just doesnt work against Serral, nor Reynor. Their spilt are way better than Solar/Ragnarok/Dark for Maru to take advantage of. There was a reason why Maru turtling against Reynor 70% of the time they play, with the 30% being all-in, because he couldnt beat Reynor in a straight up macro-micro game. I feel like the best way for Maru has always been turtling, max out army supply and send out small harrassment unit to clear creep / pick off workers.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1199 Posts
September 10 2023 11:18 GMT
#63
If Byun can't win a game like G1 this will be a grim series.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 10 2023 11:28 GMT
#64
Byun throwing into lurkers multiple times is not a good sign
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 11:34 GMT
#65
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 10 2023 11:38 GMT
#66
On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good


Lings and roaches too XD

That was a seriously good game by Serral.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 11:40 GMT
#67
On September 10 2023 20:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good


Lings and roaches too XD

That was a seriously good game by Serral.



Going roaches to force tanks and then tech to vipers seems like a good strat, yeah
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 10 2023 11:43 GMT
#68
On September 10 2023 20:40 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 20:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good


Lings and roaches too XD

That was a seriously good game by Serral.



Going roaches to force tanks and then tech to vipers seems like a good strat, yeah


To attribute that game to just vipers is ridiculous lmao.

Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 11:46 GMT
#69
On September 10 2023 20:43 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 20:40 Argonauta wrote:
On September 10 2023 20:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On September 10 2023 20:34 Argonauta wrote:
Serral has figured out that vipers are quite good


Lings and roaches too XD

That was a seriously good game by Serral.



Going roaches to force tanks and then tech to vipers seems like a good strat, yeah


To attribute that game to just vipers is ridiculous lmao.




I mean.... it was the overall plan no?
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Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1152 Posts
September 10 2023 12:47 GMT
#70
Serral is playing out of his mind this whole tournament. Incredible ZvT. Cure got close several times in this first match and still could not close it out.
Mutation complete.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3457 Posts
September 10 2023 12:48 GMT
#71
Feels Like cure should have gone Ghosts and Turtle faster and use the fact that He was in a Solid Spot with mech, instead of taking this Bad Fight after which serral was Just getting ahead and ahead.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3457 Posts
September 10 2023 12:57 GMT
#72
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 13:13 GMT
#73
On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.



it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3457 Posts
September 10 2023 13:17 GMT
#74
On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.



it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.

I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 10 2023 13:25 GMT
#75
On September 10 2023 22:17 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:
On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.



it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.

I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)

That's zerg for you. The reliance on queens and how good it is is the biggest problem sc2 has imo.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 13:28 GMT
#76
On September 10 2023 22:17 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:
On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.



it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.

I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)



OH, I agree, but I dont get why Rotti made the comment when we all now how bad are hellbat pushes are cuz queens
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 13:29 GMT
#77
Honestly Cure is outplaying Serral, but it doesnt matter.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12789 Posts
September 10 2023 13:29 GMT
#78
On September 10 2023 22:17 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 22:13 Argonauta wrote:
On September 10 2023 21:57 darklycid wrote:
Queens > hellbat Push is still true.



it was quite funny how Rotti was like... wow if Serral holds this is due a heavy lifting of the zerg cabal! And then he does.

I mean i still think its dumb that a zerg can Just hold a committed Attack with droning and Just Queens without knowing about it but serral obv did it Well and Not everyone can do that (the possibility of it is Just dumb)

Similar to the 4 rax stim/cs pushes that go unscouted until the last minute and still fall flat to queens and last minute unit production
Sure the maps being bigger don’t help, but overall queens just hold everything
WriterMaru
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3457 Posts
September 10 2023 13:30 GMT
#79
Also Balance aside i think lotvs core philosophy overlaps way too Well with zergs core philosophy which means that unless Balance is hard against zerg, they can always find some ways to win, at this high of a Level.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 10 2023 13:48 GMT
#80
Serral winning after that hold from Cure is omegalul
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