EPT[WTL] Master's Coliseum 2023 - Playoffs - Page 3
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tigera6
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Did he seem that slow against Clem? | ||
Poopi
France12802 Posts
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote: I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close. He would have a better shot offracing zerg tbh | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
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tigera6
3372 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7979 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Can't fault Maru for losing that one, but losing game 2 was just sloppy | ||
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Poopi
France12802 Posts
Cure beating ByuN 3-0 is expected but still, Cure is at another level atm | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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tigera6
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Gescom
Canada3374 Posts
On September 06 2023 20:41 Gescom wrote: Serral is the kind of player who could win a tournament after marching thru the entire LB, so hold your tongues for a little while longer! ;} I feel pretty smart right about now | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote: I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close. Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it. | ||
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BelethielQT
90 Posts
On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it. All the players are incredibly good and at this level it is more a player thing. Player x is good vs Player y. Mental and playstyle clash | ||
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Amoyu7
20 Posts
On September 10 2023 02:43 RaFox17 wrote: Is there something in Serral´s playstyle that makes him so difficult for Maru, or is it simply that Serral is incredible in TvZ? Serral's current domination of non-mirror matchup is simply unprecedented in SC2 history. He's 38-2 against Protoss and 30-2 against Terran in series this year. He's just too good. No other explanations. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 10 2023 03:04 BelethielQT wrote: All the players are incredibly good and at this level it is more a player thing. Player x is good vs Player y. Mental and playstyle clash When i say 'incredibly good' i basically mean as good as a human can play. The highest tier of mechanical skill with a full understanding of the meta. I think if you have that, you want to play zerg given its design. If you want to play as solid as possible (so with a defensive mindset, trying to reduce risks as much as possible), zerg imo has the best tools for this playstyle. It's imo no surprise that serral is almost only beatable in the mirror, where the fundamental aspects work quite differently (for example you won't build as many queens and be more or less safe with perfect positioning and creep spread). Now ofc there are also player specific stylistic clashes which play a role, no doubt about that (and things like offline vs online play is also playing some role, some races play better in that scenario), but broadly speaking i think serral's skillset is best applied through the zerg race, and that is why other people cannot touch him, especially in series, even if they might play their races to the full potential. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17671 Posts
On September 10 2023 03:56 The_Red_Viper wrote: When i say 'incredibly good' i basically mean as good as a human can play. The highest tier of mechanical skill with a full understanding of the meta. I think if you have that, you want to play zerg given its design. If you want to play as solid as possible (so with a defensive mindset, trying to reduce risks as much as possible), zerg imo has the best tools for this playstyle. It's imo no surprise that serral is almost only beatable in the mirror, where the fundamental aspects work quite differently (for example you won't build as many queens and be more or less safe with perfect positioning and creep spread). Now ofc there are also player specific stylistic clashes which play a role, no doubt about that (and things like offline vs online play is also playing some role, some races play better in that scenario), but broadly speaking i think serral's skillset is best applied through the zerg race, and that is why other people cannot touch him, especially in series, even if they might play their races to the full potential. I do agree that peak-human zerg is just flat out better than peak-human terran or protoss which seems to be frustratingly hard to balance patch for | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 10 2023 04:21 Die4Ever wrote: I do also think that peak-human zerg is just flat out better than peak-human terran or protoss The thing is, one cannot really prove that, only make a case for it, and if one does this ofc is in the realm of 'balance whine' rather fast. Maybe serral is also truly just "better" than the best players of other races, i am not even saying that isn't the case, but i doubt he'd be this consistent playing terran or toss anyway, just like i don't believe flash would have been as great playing zerg or toss in bw. I don't think you can really balance that, trying to make every race need the same amount of "effort" for securing certain consistency and power, yeah that's just not possible. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4498 Posts
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