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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3372 Posts
September 09 2023 14:52 GMT
#41
Feeling like Maru just got stuck in quick sand, Serral just hit the timing flawlessly and he couldnt do anything to help it.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 09 2023 14:54 GMT
#42
Serral is boping maru hard
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 09 2023 14:56 GMT
#43
Not raising a depo with 10 seconds warning and then looking away from his units without pre splitting is just bad. Maru would have been way ahead otherwise.

Did he seem that slow against Clem?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12801 Posts
September 09 2023 14:59 GMT
#44
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

He would have a better shot offracing zerg tbh
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
September 09 2023 15:07 GMT
#45
Another classic of Serral's "oh cool you are Terrans" run it seems.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3372 Posts
September 09 2023 15:07 GMT
#46
The game was decent but Maru just doesnt have the right setup in the end,
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7979 Posts
September 09 2023 15:09 GMT
#47
serral really got marus number lately
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 09 2023 15:13 GMT
#48
6:30 ultra cavern looked like it completely hard countered a terran that wasn't going for a an immediate push.

Can't fault Maru for losing that one, but losing game 2 was just sloppy
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12801 Posts
September 09 2023 15:19 GMT
#49
I think ByuN+Cure might take a game total, I wonder whom terran will do it?
Cure beating ByuN 3-0 is expected but still, Cure is at another level atm
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 09 2023 15:29 GMT
#50
Hard to imagine a terran outside of low ping Clem beating Serral anytime soon.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3372 Posts
September 09 2023 15:39 GMT
#51
The issue I have with how Maru play was his lack of defensive set up, or the wrong set up for most of the timing push from Serral. And many times he has a group of units on the other side of the map trying to do damage while having not enough at home to defense. Serral timing hit like a truck and I get it, but clearly Maru could have done better to defend those push. That last game if Maru could hold for another 2-3 minutes at home while doing minimal harassments with Medivac, he should be fine.

Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3374 Posts
September 09 2023 17:18 GMT
#52
On September 06 2023 20:41 Gescom wrote:
Serral is the kind of player who could win a tournament after marching thru the entire LB, so hold your tongues for a little while longer! ;}

I feel pretty smart right about now
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
September 09 2023 17:43 GMT
#53
Is there something in Serral´s playstyle that makes him so difficult for Maru, or is it simply that Serral is incredible in TvZ?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 09 2023 17:52 GMT
#54
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
BelethielQT
Profile Joined August 2022
90 Posts
September 09 2023 18:04 GMT
#55
On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.


All the players are incredibly good and at this level it is more a player thing. Player x is good vs Player y. Mental and playstyle clash
Amoyu7
Profile Joined March 2023
20 Posts
September 09 2023 18:44 GMT
#56
On September 10 2023 02:43 RaFox17 wrote:
Is there something in Serral´s playstyle that makes him so difficult for Maru, or is it simply that Serral is incredible in TvZ?


Serral's current domination of non-mirror matchup is simply unprecedented in SC2 history.

He's 38-2 against Protoss and 30-2 against Terran in series this year.

He's just too good. No other explanations.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 09 2023 18:56 GMT
#57
On September 10 2023 03:04 BelethielQT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.


All the players are incredibly good and at this level it is more a player thing. Player x is good vs Player y. Mental and playstyle clash

When i say 'incredibly good' i basically mean as good as a human can play. The highest tier of mechanical skill with a full understanding of the meta.
I think if you have that, you want to play zerg given its design. If you want to play as solid as possible (so with a defensive mindset, trying to reduce risks as much as possible), zerg imo has the best tools for this playstyle.
It's imo no surprise that serral is almost only beatable in the mirror, where the fundamental aspects work quite differently (for example you won't build as many queens and be more or less safe with perfect positioning and creep spread).

Now ofc there are also player specific stylistic clashes which play a role, no doubt about that (and things like offline vs online play is also playing some role, some races play better in that scenario), but broadly speaking i think serral's skillset is best applied through the zerg race, and that is why other people cannot touch him, especially in series, even if they might play their races to the full potential.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-09 19:24:49
September 09 2023 19:21 GMT
#58
On September 10 2023 03:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 03:04 BelethielQT wrote:
On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.


All the players are incredibly good and at this level it is more a player thing. Player x is good vs Player y. Mental and playstyle clash

When i say 'incredibly good' i basically mean as good as a human can play. The highest tier of mechanical skill with a full understanding of the meta.
I think if you have that, you want to play zerg given its design. If you want to play as solid as possible (so with a defensive mindset, trying to reduce risks as much as possible), zerg imo has the best tools for this playstyle.
It's imo no surprise that serral is almost only beatable in the mirror, where the fundamental aspects work quite differently (for example you won't build as many queens and be more or less safe with perfect positioning and creep spread).

Now ofc there are also player specific stylistic clashes which play a role, no doubt about that (and things like offline vs online play is also playing some role, some races play better in that scenario), but broadly speaking i think serral's skillset is best applied through the zerg race, and that is why other people cannot touch him, especially in series, even if they might play their races to the full potential.

I do agree that peak-human zerg is just flat out better than peak-human terran or protoss

which seems to be frustratingly hard to balance patch for
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-09 19:33:24
September 09 2023 19:31 GMT
#59
On September 10 2023 04:21 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2023 03:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 10 2023 03:04 BelethielQT wrote:
On September 10 2023 02:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 09 2023 23:52 JJH777 wrote:
I don't understand how Maru simply can't touch Serral. These games don't even look close.

Serral is incredibly good and he plays the best race to be incredibly good at. That's it.


All the players are incredibly good and at this level it is more a player thing. Player x is good vs Player y. Mental and playstyle clash

When i say 'incredibly good' i basically mean as good as a human can play. The highest tier of mechanical skill with a full understanding of the meta.
I think if you have that, you want to play zerg given its design. If you want to play as solid as possible (so with a defensive mindset, trying to reduce risks as much as possible), zerg imo has the best tools for this playstyle.
It's imo no surprise that serral is almost only beatable in the mirror, where the fundamental aspects work quite differently (for example you won't build as many queens and be more or less safe with perfect positioning and creep spread).

Now ofc there are also player specific stylistic clashes which play a role, no doubt about that (and things like offline vs online play is also playing some role, some races play better in that scenario), but broadly speaking i think serral's skillset is best applied through the zerg race, and that is why other people cannot touch him, especially in series, even if they might play their races to the full potential.

I do also think that peak-human zerg is just flat out better than peak-human terran or protoss

The thing is, one cannot really prove that, only make a case for it, and if one does this ofc is in the realm of 'balance whine' rather fast.
Maybe serral is also truly just "better" than the best players of other races, i am not even saying that isn't the case, but i doubt he'd be this consistent playing terran or toss anyway, just like i don't believe flash would have been as great playing zerg or toss in bw.
I don't think you can really balance that, trying to make every race need the same amount of "effort" for securing certain consistency and power, yeah that's just not possible.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4498 Posts
September 09 2023 23:34 GMT
#60
Maru just had to play like Clem.
hi. big fan.
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