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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 15:43:43
August 05 2023 15:43 GMT
#681
On August 06 2023 00:40 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 00:38 Fango wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:26 Argonauta wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:24 Fango wrote:
Everyone forgot Maru should have lost 0-3 to Cure in GSL because he won the tournament. His TvT has been dodgy since the raven nerf


Its not the raven nerf... its his opening shenanigans, his first TvT lose vs Bunny was by his early medvac openings

His clown openings were causing him to lose a couple games to Bunny, but he was still almost unbeaten for two years. After the raven patch he started dropping games and series to everyone.

But I don't think the way he loses is related to the patch

Pre raven nerf he would open 3 raven 3 CC and even shut down Clem's double starport viking allin. You simply can't do that now.

He lost TvT dominance as soon as the patch happened before Katowice, it's the obvious reason
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
August 05 2023 15:44 GMT
#682
Maru opening in TvT has been so simple and laid out, everybody know how to punish him with it. Early 3rd CC and double EBay meaning you dont have enough TAnk-Viking to defend, any 2 base push will give him trouble. And his reaction to that is to send a double Medivac for backstab, and now eveyone start having 2 Vikings at home to deny that drop. Its very simple and well-thought out by everyone but Maru. He totally could delay his 3rd CC for safety but he just not doing it.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
August 05 2023 15:44 GMT
#683
On August 06 2023 00:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 00:40 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:38 Fango wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:26 Argonauta wrote:
On August 06 2023 00:24 Fango wrote:
Everyone forgot Maru should have lost 0-3 to Cure in GSL because he won the tournament. His TvT has been dodgy since the raven nerf


Its not the raven nerf... its his opening shenanigans, his first TvT lose vs Bunny was by his early medvac openings

His clown openings were causing him to lose a couple games to Bunny, but he was still almost unbeaten for two years. After the raven patch he started dropping games and series to everyone.

But I don't think the way he loses is related to the patch


It's indirectly related.

Mass Raven isn't as strong as it used to be, which means that having the better Raven control isn't the guaranteed way to win TvT all the time so Maru isn't relying on it as much and is instead going for more of these risky coinflip openings that have a lower success rate and backfiring on him.

It's classic Maru. He is the better player, but constantly donates games or even entire series because he decides to get cute with his openings instead of just playing safe and drawing the game out.



I was thinking like that as well.... but the fact he does this kind of early shenanigans also allows him to become harder to predict .... even at the cost of being more vulnerable early game.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3139 Posts
August 05 2023 15:46 GMT
#684
On August 06 2023 00:40 NotSoHappy wrote:
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On August 06 2023 00:39 Captain Peabody wrote:
this is for some reason very funny to me


+1

90% ppl here support maru it seems

I mean I like Maru but he just won GS7, he'll be fine. and it's more fun for the scene when there's upset potential and competition at the very top
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
August 05 2023 15:47 GMT
#685
Maru falling apart?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10129 Posts
August 05 2023 15:47 GMT
#686
is Maru dead?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
August 05 2023 15:48 GMT
#687
On August 06 2023 00:47 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Maru falling apart?



yeah.. Maru destroyed by his weak early game
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
August 05 2023 15:48 GMT
#688
Maru's dead no?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 15:49:28
August 05 2023 15:48 GMT
#689
On August 06 2023 00:48 Nakajin wrote:
Maru's dead no?

I've seen enough Maru TvT comebacks to say Maru's never dead.

It is looking bad though.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-05 15:49:07
August 05 2023 15:48 GMT
#690
Edit: Double post
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1966 Posts
August 05 2023 15:49 GMT
#691
Come on Maru, why do you do this to us every time?!
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 05 2023 15:50 GMT
#692
Clem destroying Maru actually
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BelethielQT
Profile Joined August 2022
90 Posts
August 05 2023 15:50 GMT
#693
Hahaha
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
August 05 2023 15:51 GMT
#694
Clem mindgame'd himself
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
August 05 2023 15:52 GMT
#695
Stupidest game of all time
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
August 05 2023 15:52 GMT
#696
Maru's dead I think
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7201 Posts
August 05 2023 15:52 GMT
#697
Maru and bombing out of offline events outside korea. Name a more iconic duo.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 05 2023 15:52 GMT
#698
On August 06 2023 00:48 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2023 00:48 Nakajin wrote:
Maru's dead no?

I've seen enough Maru TvT comebacks to say Maru's never dead.

It is looking bad though.

Less dead than vs Cure and he won there. But this is 100% over
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
August 05 2023 15:53 GMT
#699
Let's see if Maru has plot armour
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 05 2023 15:54 GMT
#700
God damn Maru TvT

Any other matchup but TvT
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