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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 11 2020 04:21 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2020 03:58 Elentos wrote:On October 11 2020 03:57 Kashim wrote:
TvT zzzzzzz.......... No, no Z, that's the novelty in this top 4. I thought Liquipedia staff would know better  I mean, it‘s fine and well deserved, but I think full mirror Ro4 are generally speaking not the most entertaining stuff for many players. For obvious reasons. How often did that even happen in premier tournaments? I can‘t remember any ZvZvZvZ or PvPvPvP Ro4 and for TvTvTvT it‘s been 9 years.
We had some ZvZ finals and if Classic didn't derp Rogue out the last blizzcon would have jhappend :D
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On October 11 2020 04:22 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2020 04:21 Swisslink wrote:On October 11 2020 03:58 Elentos wrote:On October 11 2020 03:57 Kashim wrote:
TvT zzzzzzz.......... No, no Z, that's the novelty in this top 4. I thought Liquipedia staff would know better I mean, it‘s fine and well deserved, but I think full mirror Ro4 are generally speaking not the most entertaining stuff for many players. For obvious reasons. How often did that even happen in premier tournaments? I can‘t remember any ZvZvZvZ or PvPvPvP Ro4 and for TvTvTvT it‘s been 9 years. We had some ZvZ finals and if Classic didn't derp Rogue out the last blizzcon would have jhappend :D
Yeah, Blizzcon is the closest I found out there. That‘s why I was wondering whether it ever really happened.
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Wow @ people crying about all terran semifinals when we've had to deal with endless zerg champions for what seems like forever now. Another reynor serral finals would have been so much more exciting.
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On October 11 2020 03:50 MarianoSC2 wrote:I think this may be the 4th time in a row Maru beating Inno and kinda easily as well. Who would have thought? Inno always had Marus number, his style looked like a hardcounter to Maru for years and now the tides have turned massively. Happy to see Maru in the finals  I hope it's against TY. Against Cure it would be too one sided
Maru in a bo7 seems too much for Clem atm, I agree.
But you should never take anything for granted, I hope to see exciting micro battles.
Online Cure has been better than Maru in TvT on the other hand, Cure's biggest hurdle is most likely TY himself.
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Northern Ireland25574 Posts
On October 11 2020 03:53 Fango wrote:
In all three matchups is Maru just playing defensive until every base is taken and he's somehow 20K resources ahead?
It's not as flashy as the aggressive micro plays he used to be known for, but I doubt he's capable of doing those right now/anymore.
On your latter point I’m not sure why that would be unless it’s maybe the wrist action of hardcore micro action (probably not coincidental that ByuN who does play that way is having issues)
In almost every other way this recent stylistic shift of Maru’s looks more demanding in almost every other way. He has to nail tech transitions, defend well and control really technical armies, sometimes over long games by SC2 standards.
I’m only going off his FPV from his last GSL group and Uthermal’s breakdown of his FPV against Trap in this tournament, but it looks a bloody exhausting way to play mentally anyway. He’s positioning great, engaging great and he managed to catch and reposition for almost all of Inno’s doom drops today, some with almost zero notice.
Perhaps as with previous periods of hyper aggression, or proxies Maru’s made the determination that this is the right way to play in the current meta. Certainly as with countering Collosus without vikings this style seems to only be something Maru can execute to this level.
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On October 11 2020 04:21 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2020 03:58 Elentos wrote:On October 11 2020 03:57 Kashim wrote:
TvT zzzzzzz.......... No, no Z, that's the novelty in this top 4. I thought Liquipedia staff would know better I mean, it‘s fine and well deserved, but I think full mirror Ro4 are generally speaking not the most entertaining stuff for many players. For obvious reasons. How often did that even happen in premier tournaments? I can‘t remember any ZvZvZvZ or PvPvPvP Ro4 and for TvTvTvT it‘s been 9 years.
TvTvTvT:
1) this tournament
2) 2011 Global StarCraft II League October
3) 2011 MLG Pro Circuit: Anaheim
4) 2011 GSL Super Tournament
ZvZvZvZ:
HomeStory Cup VI (2012)
PvPvPvP:
2012 StarCraft II World Championship Series: Asia Finals
That's it for Premier tournaments.
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wow, that g1 serral cure was soooooooo damn close.
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Seems like Cure's widow mines will haunt Serral's dreams for quite a few nights. As a Zerg player I have a mild trauma just from watching the series. The amount of disgusting shots my eyes have seen just cannot be unseen.
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I don't have too much faith on foreign tvt but maybe after zvz it's time to shine
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France12889 Posts
On October 11 2020 05:55 ytherik wrote:
Seems like Cure's widow mines will haunt Serral's dreams for quite a few nights. As a Zerg player I have a mild trauma just from watching the series. The amount of disgusting shots my eyes have seen just cannot be unseen.
He is abusing cross server perfectly. I don’t think Serral / Reynor would lose so much to window mines with normal ping.
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On October 11 2020 06:32 stilt wrote:I don't have too much faith on foreign tvt but maybe after zvz it's time to shine
Clem needs to channel his inner MarineLorD!
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On October 11 2020 06:34 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2020 05:55 ytherik wrote:
Seems like Cure's widow mines will haunt Serral's dreams for quite a few nights. As a Zerg player I have a mild trauma just from watching the series. The amount of disgusting shots my eyes have seen just cannot be unseen. He is abusing cross server perfectly. I don’t think Serral / Reynor would lose so much to window mines with normal ping.
I'd agree with you except that several recent Reynor vs Clem series also featured absurd widow mine shot after absurd widow mine shot, and you can't blame ping there.
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Even with all the widow mine shots the games went the distance for the most part so its nice to see terrans have some sort of ability to keep the zerg economy in check before entering the late game.
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On October 11 2020 07:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2020 06:34 Poopi wrote:On October 11 2020 05:55 ytherik wrote:
Seems like Cure's widow mines will haunt Serral's dreams for quite a few nights. As a Zerg player I have a mild trauma just from watching the series. The amount of disgusting shots my eyes have seen just cannot be unseen. He is abusing cross server perfectly. I don’t think Serral / Reynor would lose so much to window mines with normal ping. I'd agree with you except that several recent Reynor vs Clem series also featured absurd widow mine shot after absurd widow mine shot, and you can't blame ping there.
The skill level to get all those Widow Mine kills is pretty high too. It's not just a simple, load Mines into Medivacs, drop, and kill kind of move. To do it all across the map while keeping up with your macro and micro elsewhere is crazy. I tried doing it and sitting at 3.8k MMR, something will give.
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Tournament organizers fucked Trap over pretty hard to rig the Maru/Serral match. 3 easy groups and you shoehorn the best Protoss in the tournament with Maru and Serral?
Don't fucking tell me this was a random draw, the opening match of the tournament being the impossible matchup fans desired for 2 years? Have the decency to put the best Protoss in the world(the other contender for the title was literally in the hospital) in a fair group.
User was warned for this post.
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Random draws, you know, are random? It may very well happen that uneven groups are drawn.
Trap had his chance to get out of the group, he was unlucky but he had his opportunities to beat Maru.
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On October 11 2020 10:33 Xain0n wrote:
Random draws, you know, are random? It may very well happen that uneven groups are drawn.
Trap had his chance to get out of the group, he was unlucky but he had his opportunities to beat Maru.
Random draws where we don't have a single bit of information on how they're done get the most hyped matchup in the history of SC2 as a opening match! So lucky! (Fuck off with the Reynor/Serral, Stats/Serral Artosis/Serral are the best matchup coping bullshit, this is what everyone wanted, this is what doubled their views overnight.)
We got Maru vs Serral, we liked it, we were dying to watch it, but lets not pretend it was not rigged.
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Maru played some exception TvT against Innovation and I don't think Clem has ever played against the style shown by Maru today, let alone how to beat it. TY is one of the best in the mirror matches and while Cure has been on fire this tournament, I don't think his TvT is up to snuff. TY did destroy Cure 4-0 in the last GSL finals after all. Will be interesting to see how the games are tomorrow.
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That is a libelous accusation.
Why would you say that without proof. You are calling real people, liars and cheats .... because your player didn't win games?
Very fucking uncool.
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