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[DH Masters 2020 Fall] Season Finals

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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-14 19:29:37
September 14 2020 15:28 GMT
#1

DreamHack Masters Fall: Season Finals


Tuesday, Sep 15 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Wednesday, Sep 16 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Thursday, Sep 17 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Friday, Sep 18 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Saturday, Sep 19 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Sunday, Sep 20 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)ESL Pro Tour/2020/21/Masters/Fall

Streams


uk ESL StarCraft II - Main Stream
uk ESL StarCraft II - B Stream


Format


Group Stage:

  • 16 players in 4 groups of 4 players each, played in a Dual Tournament Format.
  • All matches are Bo3.
  • Top 2 players of each group advance to the Playoffs.


Playoffs:

  • 8 players in a single-elimination bracket.
  • All matches are Bo5.
  • Finals are Bo7.


      Map Pool



Group Stage



Group A:
(T)TY vs (T)MarineLorD
(P)Trap vs (P)Astrea

Group B:
(Z)Reynor vs (P)Nice
(P)Stats vs (Z)DongRaeGu

Group C:
(Z)Rogue vs (P)Probe
(T)SpeCial vs (T)Clem

Group D:
(Z)Serral vs (T)TIME
(T)INnoVation vs (Z)Scarlett

Playoffs





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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 14 2020 15:28 GMT
#2
Can an admin please allow the html?

Thanks to Pande for the original
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-14 15:46:48
September 14 2020 15:44 GMT
#3
You forgot the most important part though

Poll: Group of Death

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☐ Group A
☐ Group B
☐ Group C
☐ Group D



Poll: Who wins

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☐ Korea
☐ Europe
☐ Other

MaxPax
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
September 14 2020 15:52 GMT
#4
Are we getting some liquibets for the group stage?
rly ?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 14 2020 15:56 GMT
#5
On September 15 2020 00:52 algue wrote:
Are we getting some liquibets for the group stage?

There were non for last season
MaxPax
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
September 14 2020 17:22 GMT
#6
Who wins ? humm i would say latency...
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-14 18:23:48
September 14 2020 18:21 GMT
#7
On September 15 2020 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
Who wins ? humm i would say latency...

So if the servers rules are like last time, Korea?
Oh wait, Serral won last time despite worse ping on NA West

Or if you aren t only looking at EU and Kr, then it should clearly be NA, I gues, as they pretty much allways get ping advantage on NA?

Don t get me wrong, ping obviously has an impact, but pretending all these games are meaninglesss, because they aren t offline is just silly.
MaxPax
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 14 2020 18:27 GMT
#8
On September 15 2020 03:21 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
Who wins ? humm i would say latency...

So if the servers rules are like last time, Korea?
Oh wait, Serral won last time despite worse ping on NA West

Or if you aren t only looking at EU and Kr, then it should clearly be NA, I gues, as they pretty much allways get ping advantage on NA?

Don t get me wrong, ping obviously has an impact, but pretending all these games are meaninglesss, because they aren t offline is just silly.


Serral had the advantage, his games were played on Central, no? For Reynor and others, it was alternating West and Central, and that seemed close to even.

They're not meaningless, but how can you actually say how much they matter? 200 ms ping is massive.

"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-14 18:29:23
September 14 2020 18:28 GMT
#9
On September 15 2020 03:21 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
Who wins ? humm i would say latency...

So if the servers rules are like last time, Korea?
Oh wait, Serral won last time despite worse ping on NA West

Or if you aren t only looking at EU and Kr, then it should clearly be NA, I gues, as they pretty much allways get ping advantage on NA?

Don t get me wrong, ping obviously has an impact, but pretending all these games are meaninglesss, because they aren t offline is just silly.


Finland counts as part of eastern Europe for server purposes so he gets to play half of his games against Koreans on NA Central though--he's not dealing with all NA West like Reynor. And ofc NA players don't necessarily get a ping advantage--it depends on the region cross-tables.
Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
September 14 2020 18:30 GMT
#10
Group of death is hard between B or D. D is the most well-rounded by far, but B has three super strong players.
Djsoke
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 14 2020 18:34 GMT
#11
On September 15 2020 03:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 03:21 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 15 2020 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
Who wins ? humm i would say latency...

So if the servers rules are like last time, Korea?
Oh wait, Serral won last time despite worse ping on NA West

Or if you aren t only looking at EU and Kr, then it should clearly be NA, I gues, as they pretty much allways get ping advantage on NA?

Don t get me wrong, ping obviously has an impact, but pretending all these games are meaninglesss, because they aren t offline is just silly.


Finland counts as part of eastern Europe for server purposes so he gets to play half of his games against Koreans on NA Central though--he's not dealing with all NA West like Reynor. And ofc NA players don't necessarily get a ping advantage--it depends on the region cross-tables.


Oh right, that's how the rules were. But for most games, Koreans voluntarily agreed to alternate West and Central, except in the Trap-Reynor semis, which is what Reynor complained about afterwards.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 14 2020 19:00 GMT
#12
On September 15 2020 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 03:21 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 15 2020 02:22 Vision_ wrote:
Who wins ? humm i would say latency...

So if the servers rules are like last time, Korea?
Oh wait, Serral won last time despite worse ping on NA West

Or if you aren t only looking at EU and Kr, then it should clearly be NA, I gues, as they pretty much allways get ping advantage on NA?

Don t get me wrong, ping obviously has an impact, but pretending all these games are meaninglesss, because they aren t offline is just silly.


Serral had the advantage, his games were played on Central, no? For Reynor and others, it was alternating West and Central, and that seemed close to even.

They're not meaningless, but how can you actually say how much they matter? 200 ms ping is massive.



Well it s obviously not the same as offline, but this is the best we get for now.
MaxPax
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 14 2020 20:28 GMT
#13
Groups are very well balanced. I put B as group of death.
Anyways:

Poll: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

Yes (20)
 
74%

No (7)
 
26%

27 total votes

Your vote: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
September 14 2020 20:32 GMT
#14
On September 15 2020 05:28 travis wrote:
Groups are very well balanced. I put B as group of death.
Anyways:

Poll: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

Yes (20)
 
74%

No (7)
 
26%

27 total votes

Your vote: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



yes someone will beat dongraegu
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-14 21:18:55
September 14 2020 21:04 GMT
#15
On September 15 2020 05:32 robih wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 05:28 travis wrote:
Groups are very well balanced. I put B as group of death.
Anyways:

Poll: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

Yes (20)
 
74%

No (7)
 
26%

27 total votes

Your vote: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



yes someone will beat dongraegu

Yeah, it's fairly likely that Stats will play DRG twice and that's an even or Stats-favored matchup
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
September 14 2020 21:07 GMT
#16
On September 15 2020 06:04 Zzzapper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 05:32 robih wrote:
On September 15 2020 05:28 travis wrote:
Groups are very well balanced. I put B as group of death.
Anyways:

Poll: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

Yes (20)
 
74%

No (7)
 
26%

27 total votes

Your vote: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



yes someone will beat dongraegu

Yeah, it's fairly likely that Stats will play DRG twice and that's and even or Stats-favored matchup

Ah yes, noted PvZ master... Stats.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33309 Posts
September 14 2020 21:18 GMT
#17
Looks like another Euro-Zerg win here.

Really missing the GSL vs. The World we'd typically have in the summer ;(
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1792 Posts
September 14 2020 21:26 GMT
#18
On September 15 2020 06:07 QOGQOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2020 06:04 Zzzapper wrote:
On September 15 2020 05:32 robih wrote:
On September 15 2020 05:28 travis wrote:
Groups are very well balanced. I put B as group of death.
Anyways:

Poll: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

Yes (20)
 
74%

No (7)
 
26%

27 total votes

Your vote: Will a protoss win a match vs a zerg in the tournament?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



yes someone will beat dongraegu

Yeah, it's fairly likely that Stats will play DRG twice and that's and even or Stats-favored matchup

Ah yes, noted PvZ master... Stats.

Stats is one of the 3 best PvZ players currently, possibly number one so... Yes?
DRG lost Cyan and Patience recently. As much as I like him, his ZvP has looked shaky
Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
September 14 2020 21:58 GMT
#19
If I am reading the bracket correctly - the only time Serral can face Reynor is in the grand finals? Assuming they both get out of their groups of course
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
September 15 2020 00:26 GMT
#20
Hopefully Rogue or a non Zerg wins this.
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