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Pandemona
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Poll: TY vs PartinG?PartinG Wins (15) 52% TY Wins (14) 48% 29 total votes Your vote: TY vs PartinG? (Vote): TY Wins (Vote): PartinG Wins
Poll: Trap vs StatsStats Wins (18) 75% Trap Wins (6) 25% 24 total votes Your vote: Trap vs Stats (Vote): Trap Wins (Vote): Stats Wins
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Northern Ireland24141 Posts
Parting is streaming right now apparently? Out of the house and low on mobile data, how’s his form looking?
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On August 01 2020 09:44 Wombat_NI wrote: Parting is streaming right now apparently? Out of the house and low on mobile data, how’s his form looking? Hes just giving a speech and yelling. Havent seen any games yet.
He said he put too much pressure on himself last time vs TY. Today he said he will play like its ladder and enjoy himself.
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On August 01 2020 09:47 mikedupp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 09:44 Wombat_NI wrote: Parting is streaming right now apparently? Out of the house and low on mobile data, how’s his form looking? Hes just giving a speech and yelling. Havent seen any games yet. He said he put too much pressure on himself last time vs TY. Today he said he will play like its ladder and enjoy himself. Parting? Yelling on stream?! Not sure if I can believe this.
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TY and Stats winning would be ideal.
ZvZ/PvP semies and PvZ finals just kinda kills off my interest. What will likely happen is Rogue cheesing DRG, Trap fending off Parting's tricky plays, and Trap the new Kong collapsing to Rogue in the finals.
I doubt TY has what it takes to go all the way, but TY being in the semies or finals would make for more exciting matches. And Stats has better nerves to withstand the Rogue train.
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Rewatching a couple of the PartinG clips posted on the recent preview made me sad. I'm hoping he takes this one. As for the PvP, I'm not usually a fan but this seems like an amazing match.
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On August 01 2020 11:23 RKC wrote: TY and Stats winning would be ideal.
ZvZ/PvP semies and PvZ finals just kinda kills off my interest. What will likely happen is Rogue cheesing DRG, Trap fending off Parting's tricky plays, and Trap the new Kong collapsing to Rogue in the finals.
I doubt TY has what it takes to go all the way, but TY being in the semies or finals would make for more exciting matches. And Stats has better nerves to withstand the Rogue train. hilarious of you to assume DRG v Stats wont be the greatest Macro finals of all time
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On August 01 2020 12:33 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 11:23 RKC wrote: TY and Stats winning would be ideal.
ZvZ/PvP semies and PvZ finals just kinda kills off my interest. What will likely happen is Rogue cheesing DRG, Trap fending off Parting's tricky plays, and Trap the new Kong collapsing to Rogue in the finals.
I doubt TY has what it takes to go all the way, but TY being in the semies or finals would make for more exciting matches. And Stats has better nerves to withstand the Rogue train. hilarious of you to assume DRG v Stats wont be the greatest Macro finals of all time Rogue ain't losing a bo7 is the problem.
Although it would be damn awesome if Stats could make the finals and somehow overcome whatever bullshit Rogue throws at him.
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TY 3-1 Parting Stats 3-2 Trap
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On August 01 2020 12:44 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 12:33 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2020 11:23 RKC wrote: TY and Stats winning would be ideal.
ZvZ/PvP semies and PvZ finals just kinda kills off my interest. What will likely happen is Rogue cheesing DRG, Trap fending off Parting's tricky plays, and Trap the new Kong collapsing to Rogue in the finals.
I doubt TY has what it takes to go all the way, but TY being in the semies or finals would make for more exciting matches. And Stats has better nerves to withstand the Rogue train. hilarious of you to assume DRG v Stats wont be the greatest Macro finals of all time Rogue ain't losing a bo7 is the problem. Although it would be damn awesome if Stats could make the finals and somehow overcome whatever bullshit Rogue throws at him.
I'm just assuming Rogue has activated beast mode, and finally awakened out of clown fiesta slump mode.
How good is DRG's ZvZ anyway? A genuine question. Since I've not seen much of DRG in major tourneys like TSL or Dreamhack.
Edit: Just checked Liquipedia. DRG hasn't played a single ZvZ in this Season 2 of GSL In Season 1, he lost to Impact in RO24.
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I think it's safe to say DRGs weakest matchup is probably ZvZ. I think it's also one that's rough against a guy like Rogue who knows all the ins and outs of it while DRG hasn't been around much at all in LotV.
Plus the fact it's a bo7 and it's Rogue, I really don't see DRG taking more than 1 map.
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Is this gonna be BC build that SpeCial used ?
edit: nvm he starts a CC
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god this is the coolest game i have ever seen
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Very good build choice by Parting.
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TY just had to get an ebay + turret up. No amount of scans ever win there when PartinG has a prism
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TY not building engineering bays is very questionable
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Very interesting match-up of builds. It's such a rare situation that it's hard to figure out if there was anything TY could have changed up or if it's just a build order loss when both players play it out properly. Getting an ebay certainly, but it's hard to say where and when.
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Golden Wall reminds me of the old OSL maps that existed to be as weird as possible and push the bounds of possible strategy. I love it.
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On August 01 2020 13:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Very interesting match-up of builds. It's such a rare situation that it's hard to figure out if there was anything TY could have changed up or if it's just a build order loss when both players play it out properly. If he made an ebay literally anywhere on the map with all the SCVs he got out then he can build a turret and wins.
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On August 01 2020 13:21 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Very interesting match-up of builds. It's such a rare situation that it's hard to figure out if there was anything TY could have changed up or if it's just a build order loss when both players play it out properly. If he made an ebay literally anywhere on the map with all the SCVs he got out then he can build a turret and wins.
Does he though? One stalker denies that gold base. Certainly it's a game if has the ebay, but I don't think he wins easily.
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On August 01 2020 13:19 geokilla wrote: TY not building engineering bays is very questionable He instantly corrected that mistake on game 2.
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im already exhausted watching how crazy this series is, and we haven't even begun game 3
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Parting please win, only game 3 and my heart already can't take it
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On August 01 2020 13:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:21 Fango wrote:On August 01 2020 13:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Very interesting match-up of builds. It's such a rare situation that it's hard to figure out if there was anything TY could have changed up or if it's just a build order loss when both players play it out properly. If he made an ebay literally anywhere on the map with all the SCVs he got out then he can build a turret and wins. Does he though? One stalker denies that gold base. Certainly it's a game if has the ebay, but I don't think he wins easily. I don't think one stalker can deny an economy when TY has marines, a medivac, and a viking out. 2CCs plus 1/1/1 against a one base protoss, if he ever actually establishes a base there's not much PartinG can really do.
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This game is so bad by Parting
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Short death animation for parting. TvP is supposed to be good but this is just hellions killing parting before he can get anything going
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This series is basically 4D rock paper scissors. The actual gameplay is secondary to all the mind-gamey decisions.
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This is such a clown fiesta in the best way possible.
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this is so freakin glorious
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Just started watching, any TvP mech thus far?
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TY saying the counter to PartinG is hellions
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On August 01 2020 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This series is basically 4D rock paper scissors. The actual gameplay is secondary to all the mind-gamey decisions. This is exactly what makes GSL the best sc2 tournament, the preparation time makes for next-level mind games.
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this series is so much wilder than I had anticipated
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On August 01 2020 13:34 Bagration wrote: Just started watching, any TvP mech thus far?
TY is just using the strength of 1 base terran quite well so far, so we haven't got close to mech at all
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On August 01 2020 13:34 Bagration wrote: Just started watching, any TvP mech thus far?
Nope. All cheese every game from both sides.
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On August 01 2020 13:34 Bagration wrote: Just started watching, any TvP mech thus far? implying that either player has made a 2nd base, funny
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On August 01 2020 13:34 Fango wrote: TY saying the counter to PartinG is hellions
You'd think that over 9 games, PartinG would've noticed
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Damn.
just shake that one off Parting. Make it 2-2
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I really hope PartinG isn't tilted and we get a macro game out of these two
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On August 01 2020 13:34 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This series is basically 4D rock paper scissors. The actual gameplay is secondary to all the mind-gamey decisions. This is exactly what makes GSL the best sc2 tournament, the preparation time makes for next-level mind games.
Yeah... if this series was representative of what preparation is about I'd rather have a weekender.
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On August 01 2020 13:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:34 yht9657 wrote:On August 01 2020 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This series is basically 4D rock paper scissors. The actual gameplay is secondary to all the mind-gamey decisions. This is exactly what makes GSL the best sc2 tournament, the preparation time makes for next-level mind games. Yeah... if this series was representative of what preparation is about I'd rather have a weekender. Are you implying that a series between these two in a weekender wouldn't look the same?
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I love both of these guys hard to root for one against the other. If not for this is be zonkedout
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On August 01 2020 13:37 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 13:34 yht9657 wrote:On August 01 2020 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This series is basically 4D rock paper scissors. The actual gameplay is secondary to all the mind-gamey decisions. This is exactly what makes GSL the best sc2 tournament, the preparation time makes for next-level mind games. Yeah... if this series was representative of what preparation is about I'd rather have a weekender. Are you implying that a series between these two in a weekender wouldn't look the same?
In the absence of prep. PartinG would probably open four gate blink every game, and then lose to the same hellion drop. So yeah the end result would be pretty similar.
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Would you look at that TY's going for a hellion drop, never saw that coming
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i cannot believe TY has done 4 hellion drops in a row. fantastic
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This is one of the two worst series I've seen in recent memory. The other one being TY vs PartinG
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TY uses the "All Army" key? I didn't think pros did that.
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On August 01 2020 13:45 Lothcomic wrote: TY uses the "All Army" key? I didn't think pros did that. It's a command that's pretty useful situationally, but not that situation lol
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On August 01 2020 13:45 Lothcomic wrote: TY uses the "All Army" key? I didn't think pros did that. Literally all pros use it, although some more than others
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Parting just looks completely outclassed, to be honest. TY is so good.
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On August 01 2020 13:45 Lothcomic wrote: TY uses the "All Army" key? I didn't think pros did that.
Additionally the liberator might well be part of some other control group, so even if you don't use F2 it's still useful to siege it.
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TY critically sniped the warp prism with a templar in it before the fight, which I think Tastosis missed. Huge play.
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On August 01 2020 13:48 Psychonian wrote: Parting just looks completely outclassed, to be honest. TY is so good.
Every player has that one opponent that has their number, and that opponent is TY for Parting
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TY showing why Parting didn't want to play a macro game with him. Looked like a totally different class of player in a straight up game.
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Alright, come on Parting, you're not Fantasy.
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PartinG looks either tilted or just not in good shape. Losing 7 workers to a liberator and then 13 to an 8 marine drop is just too much
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Hits 3 units for half a second with storm
'another pretty good psystorm there'
I wonder what a bad storm looks like
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On August 01 2020 13:52 Fango wrote: PartinG looks either tilted or just not in good shape. Losing 7 workers to a liberator and then 13 to an 8 marine drop is just too much
Marines weren't even dropped. They just walked into the nat from the side.
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On August 01 2020 13:51 Vindicare605 wrote: TY showing why Parting didn't want to play a macro game with him. Looked like a totally different class of player in a straight up game. Hey it was PartinG who tried to play macro first in this series.
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On August 01 2020 13:53 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:51 Vindicare605 wrote: TY showing why Parting didn't want to play a macro game with him. Looked like a totally different class of player in a straight up game. Hey it was PartinG who tried to play macro first in this series.
Yea a proxy DT drop on Golden Wall, total macro game.
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On August 01 2020 13:53 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:53 Fango wrote:On August 01 2020 13:51 Vindicare605 wrote: TY showing why Parting didn't want to play a macro game with him. Looked like a totally different class of player in a straight up game. Hey it was PartinG who tried to play macro first in this series. Yea a proxy DT drop on Golden Wall, total macro game. TY went 111 before CC in that game. First time either of them went for a macro opener was PartinG in game 3.
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PartinG is just shellshocked by the fact that he got owned by some caster 2 gsls in a row.
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On August 01 2020 13:52 Fango wrote: PartinG looks either tilted or just not in good shape. Losing 7 workers to a liberator and then 13 to an 8 marine drop is just too much
TY is the worst matchup for PartinG. Pure mechanics vs pure intellect. TY's build selection, army movement, composition, everything was perfect, PartinG stood absolutely no chance in a macro game.
I hope we get to see TY vs Stats because they're much more similar in style with a late game focus, but TY vs Trap could be very good as well.
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damn, really wanted Parting to win
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Parting looks fucking distraught, dude. I feel awful for him.
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TY is our terran god an savior!!!!!!
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PartinG looks mentally broken - even Fantasy would've found that GG late
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Very dissapointing series.
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On August 01 2020 13:55 fastr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:52 Fango wrote: PartinG looks either tilted or just not in good shape. Losing 7 workers to a liberator and then 13 to an 8 marine drop is just too much TY is the worst matchup for PartinG. Pure mechanics vs pure intellect. TY's build selection, army movement, composition, everything was perfect, PartinG stood absolutely no chance in a macro game. After seeing some of PartinGs TvP recently he absolutely can beat TY in a lategame, in all of these games he just loses too much before getting there.
Remember TY opened with a hellion drop off one base on literally every map here.
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The last few minutes of that game were hard to watch. Makes me feel bad for Parting
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On August 01 2020 13:58 Bagration wrote: PartinG looks mentally broken - even Fantasy would've found that GG late Yeah, it was hard to tell for sure but I'm fairly sure he was crying. Competition at the top level can be brutal, and he's only human.
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My takeaway from this is that there are few downsides to opening one base hellion drops.
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Jeez, felt bad for the big boy. TY did everything right
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it's all up to stats and drg now
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TY didn't just win a game, he won the series? I don't think the Ro8 was supposed to go like that.
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Having watched Artosis' stream, it's hilarious to see how professional and polished he is here, compared to the maximum salt he exhibits when playing BW (especially Protoss)
Truly night and day difference
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On August 01 2020 14:01 Elentos wrote: TY didn't just win a game, he won the series? I don't think the Ro8 was supposed to go like that. u do realize he win gsl now right? 4-2 stats 4-1 rogue
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Only caught the last game. First 3 games were bad?
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On August 01 2020 13:59 sudete wrote: My takeaway from this is that there are few downsides to opening one base hellion drops.
Tbh it's been kinda a mediocre build recently. Like most of the time the protoss just holds it off with only a few probes lost and you're really behind. But ofc if you get a dozen probes every game it looks quite good.
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Poor Parting, I can actually relate to him a bit.
It seems he prepared a lot for this series. He brought 4 very specific strats to take out TY.
Unfortunately, TY did 3 things that, simply by luck honestly, countered what parting was doing, with the hellion drop comping earlier than Parting's strats. Or the Marauder push.
TY is a great player, but I can understand Parting being in disbelief in how much he prepared and how fast things went wrong. Let's be honest, he could have won some of those games, in most other circumstances he would have.
So I completely understand that he hanged there until the end. It's a shame he lost, but he is still a great player and I wish him luck in his future games.
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On August 01 2020 14:02 [Phantom] wrote: Poor Parting, I can actually relate to him a bit.
It seems he prepared a lot for this series. He brought 4 very specific strats to take out TY.
Unfortunately, TY did 3 things that, simply by luck honestly, countered what parting was doing, with the hellion drop comping earlier than Parting's strats. Or the Marauder push.
TY is a great player, but I can understand Parting being in disbelief in how much he prepared and how fast things went wrong. Let's be honest, he could have won some of those games, in most other circumstances he would have.
So I completely understand that he hanged there until the end. It's a shame he lost, but he is still a great player and I wish him luck in his future games. Here's to Season 3
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On August 01 2020 14:01 Elentos wrote: TY didn't just win a game, he won the series? I don't think the Ro8 was supposed to go like that. It was an easy call. Have to give Parting one game due to his unorthodox play, but TY is just far too solid.
On August 01 2020 12:57 Husyelt wrote: TY 3-1 Parting Stats 3-2 Trap
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On August 01 2020 13:59 Psychonian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:58 Bagration wrote: PartinG looks mentally broken - even Fantasy would've found that GG late Yeah, it was hard to tell for sure but I'm fairly sure he was crying. Competition at the top level can be brutal, and he's only human.
Yea Parting has talked about it on stream before but winning a GSL is something he wants to do before he retires as a pro gamer and it means a lot to him so im sure these last two seasons(especially season 1) when he gets close to the finals only to lose it really breaks him.
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On August 01 2020 14:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:59 sudete wrote: My takeaway from this is that there are few downsides to opening one base hellion drops. Tbh it's been kinda a mediocre build recently. Like most of the time the protoss just holds it off with only a few probes lost and you're really behind. But ofc if you get a dozen probes every game it looks quite good.
From what I've seen recently you can kill half a dozen probes and still be ahead. A lot of it boils down to the terran's skill in macroing behind it, and saving the medivac to pair it up with marines back at home.
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On August 01 2020 14:04 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:01 Elentos wrote: TY didn't just win a game, he won the series? I don't think the Ro8 was supposed to go like that. It was an easy call. Have to give Parting one game due to his unorthodox play, but TY is just far too solid. This was TY's first truly notable performance since winning season 1, so it was a bit surprising for him to look as good as he did
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On August 01 2020 14:02 RKC wrote: Only caught the last game. First 3 games were bad? Game 1 was quite bizarre to watch, the remainder were just stomps.
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God parting looks so sad. This must really suck for him.
He should really stop pulling probes to defend hellions...
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On August 01 2020 14:02 [Phantom] wrote: Poor Parting, I can actually relate to him a bit.
It seems he prepared a lot for this series. He brought 4 very specific strats to take out TY.
Unfortunately, TY did 3 things that, simply by luck honestly, countered what parting was doing, with the hellion drop comping earlier than Parting's strats. Or the Marauder push.
TY is a great player, but I can understand Parting being in disbelief in how much he prepared and how fast things went wrong. Let's be honest, he could have won some of those games, in most other circumstances he would have.
So I completely understand that he hanged there until the end. It's a shame he lost, but he is still a great player and I wish him luck in his future games.
TY may not be prepared to Parting's specific builds. But he probably knew Parting had some sharp timing builds prepared, so TY's overall strategy was to be aggressive, seize the initiative from the start, and not let Parting get into any rhythm. Going aggro against Parting is probably a risk that can go horribly wrong. But it's probably unfair to say TY got lucky?
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This reminds me of the Cure vs Parting match at HSC 20, where parting died to a few hellions there too. I was really rooting for him, I know he will keep getting better though. Still a strong contender for Season 3, and Super Tournament.
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Afreeca torturing me with showing TY fumble the series against Maru 2 years ago 
On August 01 2020 14:07 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:02 [Phantom] wrote: Poor Parting, I can actually relate to him a bit.
It seems he prepared a lot for this series. He brought 4 very specific strats to take out TY.
Unfortunately, TY did 3 things that, simply by luck honestly, countered what parting was doing, with the hellion drop comping earlier than Parting's strats. Or the Marauder push.
TY is a great player, but I can understand Parting being in disbelief in how much he prepared and how fast things went wrong. Let's be honest, he could have won some of those games, in most other circumstances he would have.
So I completely understand that he hanged there until the end. It's a shame he lost, but he is still a great player and I wish him luck in his future games. TY may not be prepared to Parting's specific builds. But he probably knew Parting had some sharp timing builds prepared, so TY's overall strategy was to be aggressive, seize the initiative from the start, and not let Parting get into any rhythm. Going aggro against Parting is probably a risk that can go horribly wrong. But it's probably unfair to say TY got lucky? This was already his game plan in season 1. Get in PartinG's face before he got in TY's.
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On August 01 2020 14:04 Domine3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 13:59 Psychonian wrote:On August 01 2020 13:58 Bagration wrote: PartinG looks mentally broken - even Fantasy would've found that GG late Yeah, it was hard to tell for sure but I'm fairly sure he was crying. Competition at the top level can be brutal, and he's only human. Yea Parting has talked about it on stream before but winning a GSL is something he wants to do before he retires as a pro gamer and it means a lot to him so im sure these last two seasons(especially season 1) when he gets close to the finals only to lose it really breaks him.
Yea, it's always tough to see the old veteran pro gamer try to win that last tournament. Boxer and Nada both tried in SC2, but neither managed to win a premier. That's why MMA's title at Homestory Cup was so special, because he was one of the few players who got to retire on top.
I always have a soft spot in my heart for those veterans giving it their all
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Should be tough for Trap. Stats has won like 13 of his last 14 pvp series.
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I'm amazed on how TY methodically beat parting but i'm sad that parting has to hold on to that lucky storms on last game to even it out. I can feel for parting knowing he is really emotional when it comes to defeats and how broken he is on that last game hoping for a glimpse of hope in amidst of despair. Well there's still season 3 for him to win GSL, but he needs to overcome the incredible mind of TYTY first.
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On August 01 2020 14:17 SetStndbySmn wrote: Should be tough for Trap. Stats has won like 13 of his last 14 pvp series. and yet, trap beat stats 3:0 before that streak began
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On August 01 2020 14:07 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:02 [Phantom] wrote: Poor Parting, I can actually relate to him a bit.
It seems he prepared a lot for this series. He brought 4 very specific strats to take out TY.
Unfortunately, TY did 3 things that, simply by luck honestly, countered what parting was doing, with the hellion drop comping earlier than Parting's strats. Or the Marauder push.
TY is a great player, but I can understand Parting being in disbelief in how much he prepared and how fast things went wrong. Let's be honest, he could have won some of those games, in most other circumstances he would have.
So I completely understand that he hanged there until the end. It's a shame he lost, but he is still a great player and I wish him luck in his future games. TY may not be prepared to Parting's specific builds. But he probably knew Parting had some sharp timing builds prepared, so TY's overall strategy was to be aggressive, seize the initiative from the start, and not let Parting get into any rhythm. Going aggro against Parting is probably a risk that can go horribly wrong. But it's probably unfair to say TY got lucky? Hmm yeah. Like you can't say it was all luck, he definitely prepared very hard for Parting too. It's just that it seems looking the type of builds they both did, TY one were very effective agaisnt everything Parting did, and a lot of it was circumstantial.
That's not to take away credit from him though. He probably would have won anyway, particularly in the final game he looked great and very precise.
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TY is just bad news for Parting.
Parting is the most offensive Protoss on the planet. He can usually mechanically outmuscle patch Terrans with overrated micro like Maru, and stubborn players like Innovation.
But TY has brains and mechanics to back it up. If TY did that stuff to someone like stats or trap it would be bad news (but TY would probably know not to do it against them)
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On August 01 2020 14:14 Elentos wrote:Afreeca torturing me with showing TY fumble the series against Maru 2 years ago  Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:07 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:02 [Phantom] wrote: Poor Parting, I can actually relate to him a bit.
It seems he prepared a lot for this series. He brought 4 very specific strats to take out TY.
Unfortunately, TY did 3 things that, simply by luck honestly, countered what parting was doing, with the hellion drop comping earlier than Parting's strats. Or the Marauder push.
TY is a great player, but I can understand Parting being in disbelief in how much he prepared and how fast things went wrong. Let's be honest, he could have won some of those games, in most other circumstances he would have.
So I completely understand that he hanged there until the end. It's a shame he lost, but he is still a great player and I wish him luck in his future games. TY may not be prepared to Parting's specific builds. But he probably knew Parting had some sharp timing builds prepared, so TY's overall strategy was to be aggressive, seize the initiative from the start, and not let Parting get into any rhythm. Going aggro against Parting is probably a risk that can go horribly wrong. But it's probably unfair to say TY got lucky? This was already his game plan in season 1. Get in PartinG's face before he got in TY's.
Yes, I saw that entire series too. TY lost 1 game because he underestimated Parting's commitment to blink-into-base-and-win. Otherwise, TY was pretty much solid and in control that series - just like this series.
Sure, Parting prepared and played his heart out. But TY doesn't seem to get as much credit for his preparation and mental fortitude as well.
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Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask.
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On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. yeah this was an especially disappointing ro8 given how cool the matchups were
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On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask.
Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season.
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One thing I miss about HotS PvP is Artosis rambling about forge timings
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On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season.
Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats.
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On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats.
But people assume Zergs would've been nerfed this season
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Stats please beat TY man...
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On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8.
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That was weird btw. Like obviously Trap wanted to get something done cause Stats got the 3rd so much faster. But he should have known committing so hard would be suicidal.
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On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8.
Yeah. Though everything else being equal I do think that at the beginning of the season even a slightly slumping TY seemed better than a Stats that hasn't had a big result in a while. Stats only really overperformed online after the season began.
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On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8.
To me, TY remains a favourite. But based on his recent performances, most people were writing him out.
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On August 01 2020 14:35 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8. To me, TY remains a favourite. But based on his recent performances, most people were writing him out. PartinG 2-0ing INno certainly helped
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On August 01 2020 14:37 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:35 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8. To me, TY remains a favourite. But based on his recent performances, most people were writing him out. PartinG 2-0ing INno certainly helped It helped DRG get to the Ro4 yeah.
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Goddamn stats looks so good
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On August 01 2020 14:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2020 14:35 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8. To me, TY remains a favourite. But based on his recent performances, most people were writing him out. PartinG 2-0ing INno certainly helped It helped DRG get to the Ro4 yeah. considering drg would have had to play dark otherwise yeah it did, im not complaining
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Stats' control is forever underappreciated tbh
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2020 and Stats is still a god
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My favorite thing about stats is how much you can learn from him. The stuff he does looks much more doable than someone like Parting.
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That was clean. Stats had built up his lead, found Trap out of position and pounced.
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On August 01 2020 14:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2020 14:35 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8. To me, TY remains a favourite. But based on his recent performances, most people were writing him out. PartinG 2-0ing INno certainly helped It helped DRG get to the Ro4 yeah.
Careful, you may be pissing off the DRG "we're back in 2012 f**h yeah" fanboys
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On August 01 2020 14:44 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:38 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2020 14:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2020 14:35 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:32 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2020 14:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 01 2020 14:26 RKC wrote:On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. Stats and Trap are arguably the remaining 'favourites'. No one would've bet on DRG, Rogue and (slumping) TY reaching into RO4 at the start of the season. Protosses are never favorites to win against a Zerg. And at the beginning of this season TY was easily much more likely to reach the Ro4 than Stats. Well by default as the GSL champ, right? As the GSL champ you almost start in the Ro8. To me, TY remains a favourite. But based on his recent performances, most people were writing him out. PartinG 2-0ing INno certainly helped It helped DRG get to the Ro4 yeah. Careful, you may be pissing off the DRG "we're back in 2012 f**h yeah" fanboys  he knows who he's talking to
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jeez he makes this matchup look solved af
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Stats is really brillant, I hope he takes it this season !
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Stats is the new Rain!!! (has been for a while)
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3 clean sweeps in RO8. Does this bode for a shitty semies/finals???
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That was just a pretty terrible ro8, the games were so quick with 3 3-0s and one 3-1 that was pretty much a bop out of one clown fiesta game. Let’s hope that the ro4 gives us more interesting matches than this
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Two years since Stats made playoffs in the GSL. Feels good
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when stats is on he's a monster.
if he plays like this the rest of the tournament he's going to win
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On August 01 2020 14:49 RKC wrote: 3 clean sweeps in RO8. Does this bode for a shitty semies/finals??? Rogue existing bodes ill if you want good matches
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And guess what, Afreeca Freecs is now the best team in the world
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On August 01 2020 14:50 ZAWGURN wrote: That was just a pretty terrible ro8, the games were so quick with 3 3-0s and one 3-1 that was pretty much a bop out of one clown fiesta game. Let’s hope that the ro4 gives us more interesting matches than this ZvZ gonna be hella quick. DRG will lose to his own speedling all in, win a ravager mirror, lose to swarmhosts, win a speedling all in, lose to drone ling push TY v Stats will be an average 4-2
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On August 01 2020 14:52 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:50 ZAWGURN wrote: That was just a pretty terrible ro8, the games were so quick with 3 3-0s and one 3-1 that was pretty much a bop out of one clown fiesta game. Let’s hope that the ro4 gives us more interesting matches than this ZvZ gonna be hella quick. DRG will lose to his own speedling all in, win a ravager mirror, lose to swarmhosts, win a speedling all in, lose to drone ling push TY v Stats will be an average 4-2
No proxy hatches/spines?
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On August 01 2020 14:58 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:52 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2020 14:50 ZAWGURN wrote: That was just a pretty terrible ro8, the games were so quick with 3 3-0s and one 3-1 that was pretty much a bop out of one clown fiesta game. Let’s hope that the ro4 gives us more interesting matches than this ZvZ gonna be hella quick. DRG will lose to his own speedling all in, win a ravager mirror, lose to swarmhosts, win a speedling all in, lose to drone ling push TY v Stats will be an average 4-2 No proxy hatches/spines? when i say drone ling push i mean spine in drg's main, like his season 1 game v impact, that or proxy hatch since it's rogue
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On paper Rogue-TY would be really hype since it's #1 vs #2 in the Korean EPT standings. But I don't know how much I actually want to see that.
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On August 01 2020 14:59 Elentos wrote: On paper Rogue-TY would be really hype since it's #1 vs #2 in the Korean EPT standings. But I don't know how much I actually want to see that. ew
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TY is probably the smartest player rn. Which is kinda why he casted as well. There's no other explanation how someone with average mechanics can be so good.
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oh no... i don't think Stats has ever beaten TY before in a Bo7... this doesnt look good...
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On August 01 2020 15:33 RainStorm148 wrote: oh no... i don't think Stats has ever beaten TY before in a Bo7... this doesnt look good...
It seems bad but Stats PvT is at about the same level as his PvP right now based on his online results and that's against players like Inno, Dream and Cure so I have a little faith.
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On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask.
It aged well.
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On August 01 2020 15:56 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:24 Elentos wrote: Alright come on guys, give us the best series of the Ro8. Even though it's a PvP, this shouldn't be too much to ask. It aged well. Turns out it was too much to ask a mere Jin Air player to keep up with Stats
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Over the years I've become more tolerant towards Tasteless superlatives in his cast but today as TY vs PartinG was loading up, he started going on about if TY won a second consecutive Code S it would be something "never seen before in all of StarCraft and all of esports"...
I know it's rhetoric but come on man...
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On August 01 2020 15:47 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 15:33 RainStorm148 wrote: oh no... i don't think Stats has ever beaten TY before in a Bo7... this doesnt look good... It seems bad but Stats PvT is at about the same level as his PvP right now based on his online results and that's against players like Inno, Dream and Cure so I have a little faith. its still stats v ty sooooo
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If DRG beats Rogue I think he's favored against both Stats and TY. But I don't think he'll beat Rogue.
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On August 01 2020 17:01 Akio wrote: If DRG beats Rogue I think he's favored against both Stats and TY. But I don't think he'll beat Rogue. stats destroys drg if for no other reason than drg has no confidence vP, but he could beat ty yeah
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2/2 on the more important bets at least. I wouldn't mind a consecutive TY title but Stats winning it all before military service would just be the best thing ever. Too bad they don' t meet in the finals and there is a Rogue in the way..
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I'm actually starting to question whether PvP is all that volatile with the introduction of the battery overcharge. It seems now like we are consistently getting past 1 base and while the Trap Vs Stats game doesn't show it there have been quite a few games where players have gotten into lategame comps.
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On August 01 2020 19:11 Penev wrote: 2/2 on the more important bets at least. I wouldn't mind a consecutive TY title but Stats winning it all before military service would just be the best thing ever. Too bad they don' t meet in the finals and there is a Rogue in the way..
Yeah this Ro4 is going to hurt either way. I guess all we can hope for is a great series at least. And that the winner takes down the evil patchzerg in the grand finals.
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On August 01 2020 14:22 BerserkSword wrote: TY is just bad news for Parting.
Parting is the most offensive Protoss on the planet. He can usually mechanically outmuscle patch Terrans with overrated micro like Maru, and stubborn players like Innovation.
But TY has brains and mechanics to back it up. If TY did that stuff to someone like stats or trap it would be bad news (but TY would probably know not to do it against them)
lol Maru a partch Terran, really? Damn some of you guys really get angry at this game dont you? damn.
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On August 01 2020 15:25 shadymmj wrote: TY is probably the smartest player rn. Which is kinda why he casted as well. There's no other explanation how someone with average mechanics can be so good. Average mechanics compared to who exactly? He’s not wily old Mvp with barely functioning wrists relying on his guile and wits, he’s very good at planning but still really solid mechanically.
Sadly underwhelming Ro8 for exciting, pulsating matches. Although Stats put on an absolute PvP clinic against a Trap who wasn’t even playing too badly, so for things to learn from I guess us Protoss at least got something to mull over.
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On August 01 2020 21:27 NoS-Craig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:22 BerserkSword wrote: TY is just bad news for Parting.
Parting is the most offensive Protoss on the planet. He can usually mechanically outmuscle patch Terrans with overrated micro like Maru, and stubborn players like Innovation.
But TY has brains and mechanics to back it up. If TY did that stuff to someone like stats or trap it would be bad news (but TY would probably know not to do it against them) lol Maru a partch Terran, really? Damn some of you guys really get angry at this game dont you? damn. Isn’t Maru’s thing to win tournaments when his Terran peers are doing relatively badly anyway? As in the opposite of a patch Terran? :S
Granted, while he’s no slouch in TvT I think this is at least in part because when the race falls off he’s less likely to get sniped in the mirror as well.
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Good to have semis with every race represented. Rogue's probably the favorite but I think TY might be able to beat him in a best of seven.
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On August 01 2020 14:22 BerserkSword wrote: TY is just bad news for Parting.
Parting is the most offensive Protoss on the planet. He can usually mechanically outmuscle patch Terrans with overrated micro like Maru, and stubborn players like Innovation.
But TY has brains and mechanics to back it up. If TY did that stuff to someone like stats or trap it would be bad news (but TY would probably know not to do it against them)
lol
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If Maru is a patch-terran, shouldn't he be doing well in the #terranpatch?
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The narrative of the so-called terranpatch is getting a bit old.
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On August 02 2020 00:22 DieuCure wrote: The narrative of the so-called terranpatch is getting a bit old. I’m still bitter at Toss nerfs from one outlying Super Tournament so I’m going to facetiously roll with the #TerranPatch bandwagon
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Why is TY casting such a big deal anyway?
I mean it’s a nice narrative angle I guess but he’s had soO filling in when he makes his deep runs. Provided one has decent communication skills surely any truly elite S class player could juggle a bit of casting here and there?
If anything it’s probably mentally liberating to not be grinding the game quite so hard.
Just seems a bit overblown really, to me anyway. It’s not like he’s a part time player these days or anything.
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On August 02 2020 00:22 DieuCure wrote: The narrative of the so-called terranpatch is getting a bit old. I don’t recall any Terran patch in LotV. Even when ByuN won zergs had ultra strong ultralisks and stuff
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interesting games even though I was looking forward to longer macro games. Anyway GZ TY!
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On August 01 2020 21:27 NoS-Craig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 14:22 BerserkSword wrote: TY is just bad news for Parting.
Parting is the most offensive Protoss on the planet. He can usually mechanically outmuscle patch Terrans with overrated micro like Maru, and stubborn players like Innovation.
But TY has brains and mechanics to back it up. If TY did that stuff to someone like stats or trap it would be bad news (but TY would probably know not to do it against them) lol Maru a partch Terran, really? Damn some of you guys really get angry at this game dont you? damn.
Its a big part of what makes watching it fun for me.
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On August 02 2020 00:33 Wombat_NI wrote: Why is TY casting such a big deal anyway?
I mean it’s a nice narrative angle I guess but he’s had soO filling in when he makes his deep runs. Provided one has decent communication skills surely any truly elite S class player could juggle a bit of casting here and there?
If anything it’s probably mentally liberating to not be grinding the game quite so hard.
Just seems a bit overblown really, to me anyway. It’s not like he’s a part time player these days or anything. yea it is a bit weird to make such a big deal about him casting for like 8 hours a week (he only casts SC2 and not BW, right?), that's nowhere near a fulltime job, that's not even a lot for a hobby
even 8 hours is probably overestimating, because he'd watch a lot of these games anyways to learn about his opponents
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I think Artosis, in some sort of unconscious display of jealousy, made a big deal about it first and then it became a Tastosis gag going forward. It's like "I stream all day, cast, and am nowhere near pro, it's so impressive that this guy is!"
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