Didn t expect Neeb Scarlet as the opening match. I thought they d take that as the groups final game instead I gues everything else would be a waste of it, so those were realy the only 2 options for scheduling
Also shouldn t this be in Tourneys, not in General, Wax????
seriously I don't really know if she could have won that after all. 6 archons + sentries + warp prism, I doubt she could take that and Neeb did a good job clearing the outside bases
On July 01 2020 06:30 [PkF] Wire wrote: seriously I don't really know if she could have won that after all. 6 archons + sentries + warp prism, I doubt she could take that and Neeb did a good job clearing the outside bases
On July 01 2020 06:30 [PkF] Wire wrote: seriously I don't really know if she could have won that after all. 6 archons + sentries + warp prism, I doubt she could take that and Neeb did a good job clearing the outside bases
Yea, but that meant his army was super split up.
that's why it was such a tricky call. Honestly this is the kind of game I'd like to see resumed from various points a couple of times
On July 01 2020 06:30 Solar424 wrote: That was literally the only way she could have lost the game and she did it, wow.
I don't think she could have killed the archons if they were bunched up. Mutas are very squishy
Neeb had like 5 buildings left, if she had split up her drones and made extractors Neeb couldn't kill them in time.
Maybe I was doing a bad job of keeping up with the minimap but I feel like neeb had a lot more than 5 buildings left at that point. Edit: + Show Spoiler +
Neeb was losing buildings very quickly at that point and he still had more than 5, so... I guess that might have worked if she acted with her drones a bit quicker, but the way things ended up going, probably not. I do remember there was a point where some drones were just sitting around near that last hatchery, though.
I'm out of the loop here. Why zero corrupters? Like, I get not wanting a ton, but Scarlet has had time and resources for at least a few corrupters which would help against the BCs? Or is that just not a thing anymore?
On July 01 2020 09:23 Lexender wrote: Honestly, with how he plays I'm not surprised Astrea lost 0-4 in Code S, I'm surprised he got there in the first place.
He went 1-4 and really should of taken the series v Impact, had a big lead on golden wall killing drones left right and center with a couple of adepts before handling a big roach ravager attack very poorly. This obviously wasnt how he normally plays, hope it improves
On July 01 2020 09:23 Lexender wrote: Honestly, with how he plays I'm not surprised Astrea lost 0-4 in Code S, I'm surprised he got there in the first place.
Keep in mind he stayed up all night to play these matches and had to play with massive ping from kr.
On July 03 2020 06:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: so far no real surprise and one-sided series
I thought Masa losing today was a surprise.
Against Silky? I guess if you dont know his name, but ive seen him beat Future convincingly multiple times this year in tournaments so I kinda expected him to beat Masa as well. Really interested to see how he does in the playoffs.
On July 03 2020 06:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: so far no real surprise and one-sided series
I thought Masa losing today was a surprise.
Against Silky? I guess if you dont know his name, but ive seen him beat Future convincingly multiple times this year in tournaments so I kinda expected him to beat Masa as well. Really interested to see how he does in the playoffs.
yeah MaSa is probably a bigger name but right now I think the result was rather expected Can TLO walk in Silky's footsteps and win vs Neeb ?
Nice to see Neeb pull out a more modern double stargate phoenix. He's done the double stargate phoenix every so often, but usually with the more traditional double robo immortal follow up.
after all those exchanges I really can't tell who's ahead. Neeb's eco is in shambles but TLO isn't too hot in that department either. Seems to still be anyone's game.
On July 04 2020 05:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: after all those exchanges I really can't tell who's ahead. Neeb's eco is in shambles but TLO isn't too hot in that department either. Seems to still be anyone's game.
On July 04 2020 05:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: after all those exchanges I really can't tell who's ahead. Neeb's eco is in shambles but TLO isn't too hot in that department either. Seems to still be anyone's game.
On July 04 2020 05:48 sneakyfox wrote: TLO played that game so well, such good decision making and usage of the units he had.
that was a very good game overall yeah, even though Neeb could have stayed in it with fewer unforced errors. But I really liked how he dealt with the phoenix and then managed to keep Neeb's eco under permanent control
On July 04 2020 05:48 sneakyfox wrote: TLO played that game so well, such good decision making and usage of the units he had.
that was a very good game overall yeah, even though Neeb could have stayed in it with fewer unforced errors. But I really liked how he dealt with the phoenix and then managed to keep Neeb's eco under permanent control
Yeah, and every time he attacked he split his armies up just right so that Neeb had to deal with the main group while a smaller group continued deeper into the base to do eco damage.
the adepts, unsurprisingly but rather well hidden. TLO doesn't seem ready. Edit : with the nydus this still has the potential to develop into something crazy ^^
Hey guys explain something to me please: I wrote 'wait Nina is he not she, no?' in twitch chat and got timed out.... Did I miss something wasn't Nina originally Puck? did something happen?
On July 04 2020 07:22 AzAlexZ wrote: Hey guys explain something to me please: I wrote 'wait Nina is he not she, no?' in twitch chat and got timed out.... Did I miss something wasn't Nina originally Puck? did something happen?
On July 04 2020 07:22 AzAlexZ wrote: Hey guys explain something to me please: I wrote 'wait Nina is he not she, no?' in twitch chat and got timed out.... Did I miss something wasn't Nina originally Puck? did something happen?
Nina is a she. Was previously a he.
.....oh so Nina (who was puck) did what Scarlett did, gotcha I was so confused when the casters said 'she' cuz I didn't get the memo, I know Puck changed ID just didn't know why. Edit: I feel like an idiot now
On July 04 2020 07:22 AzAlexZ wrote: Hey guys explain something to me please: I wrote 'wait Nina is he not she, no?' in twitch chat and got timed out.... Did I miss something wasn't Nina originally Puck? did something happen?
Nina is a she. Was previously a he.
.....oh so Nina (who was puck) did what Scarlett did, gotcha I was so confused when the casters said 'she' cuz I didn't get the memo, I know Puck changed ID just didn't know why
If you would like to know more, here's an interview she did:
On July 04 2020 07:22 AzAlexZ wrote: Hey guys explain something to me please: I wrote 'wait Nina is he not she, no?' in twitch chat and got timed out.... Did I miss something wasn't Nina originally Puck? did something happen?
Nina is a she. Was previously a he.
.....oh so Nina (who was puck) did what Scarlett did, gotcha I was so confused when the casters said 'she' cuz I didn't get the memo, I know Puck changed ID just didn't know why
If you would like to now more, here's an interview she did:
On July 04 2020 07:22 AzAlexZ wrote: Hey guys explain something to me please: I wrote 'wait Nina is he not she, no?' in twitch chat and got timed out.... Did I miss something wasn't Nina originally Puck? did something happen?
Nina is a she. Was previously a he.
.....oh so Nina (who was puck) did what Scarlett did, gotcha I was so confused when the casters said 'she' cuz I didn't get the memo, I know Puck changed ID just didn't know why
If you would like to now more, here's an interview she did:
Future likes playing with fire. Repairing the medivacs would have been worth it there though I can see why the loss of tempo would make him reluctant to do so.
On July 04 2020 07:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Future likes playing with fire. Repairing the medivacs would have been worth it there though I can see why the loss of tempo would make him reluctant to do so.
yeah I think he should have done it. No reason not to when you have this gameplan in mind.
On July 04 2020 07:39 geokilla wrote: Lol game of throws
dunno if Future is prone to tilting but losing that kind of game must be infuriating. You manage to scrap a winning position out of a very bad opening (let's remember how much havoc that speed prism + colossus caused) and then you butcher it. Must feel bad.
On July 04 2020 07:40 royalroadweed wrote: Impressive comeback from future into an even more impressive throw.
meanwhile Disk and Neeb are playing and it's... well, lategame PvP as you'd imagine it. (or not, unless you imagine DTs winning the game more or less single-handedly)
On July 05 2020 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote: meanwhile Disk and Neeb are playing and it's... well, lategame PvP as you'd imagine it. (or not, unless you imagine DTs winning the game more or less single-handedly)
I dunno, is it really possible to imagine something that has never been?
On July 05 2020 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote: meanwhile Disk and Neeb are playing and it's... well, lategame PvP as you'd imagine it. (or not, unless you imagine DTs winning the game more or less single-handedly)
I dunno, is it really possible to imagine something that has never been?
well I definitely saw those Neeb DTs wreaking havoc and Disk dropping like 40 supply because of that then he proceeded to mess up beautifully a shadow stride by blinking into a nova haha but it didn't matter since he had gotten to enough air to just roll (as for the philosophical answer, I think it's yes)
On July 05 2020 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote: meanwhile Disk and Neeb are playing and it's... well, lategame PvP as you'd imagine it. (or not, unless you imagine DTs winning the game more or less single-handedly)
I dunno, is it really possible to imagine something that has never been?
well I definitely saw those Neeb DTs wreaking havoc and Disk dropping like 40 supply because of that then he proceeded to mess up beautifully a shadow stride by blinking into a nova haha but it didn't matter since he had gotten to enough air to just roll (as for the philosophical answer, I think it's yes)
Shadow striding into the nova... sounds like the perfect way to go.
On July 05 2020 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote: meanwhile Disk and Neeb are playing and it's... well, lategame PvP as you'd imagine it. (or not, unless you imagine DTs winning the game more or less single-handedly)
I dunno, is it really possible to imagine something that has never been?
well I definitely saw those Neeb DTs wreaking havoc and Disk dropping like 40 supply because of that then he proceeded to mess up beautifully a shadow stride by blinking into a nova haha but it didn't matter since he had gotten to enough air to just roll (as for the philosophical answer, I think it's yes)
But the philosophical answer has to be a no imo
what's the point of imagination if you can only imagine things that exist / have existed ? Things like fantasies wouldn't make sense because you wouldn't be able to imagine them. I think it has to be a yes !
On July 05 2020 06:06 [PkF] Wire wrote: meanwhile Disk and Neeb are playing and it's... well, lategame PvP as you'd imagine it. (or not, unless you imagine DTs winning the game more or less single-handedly)
I dunno, is it really possible to imagine something that has never been?
well I definitely saw those Neeb DTs wreaking havoc and Disk dropping like 40 supply because of that then he proceeded to mess up beautifully a shadow stride by blinking into a nova haha but it didn't matter since he had gotten to enough air to just roll (as for the philosophical answer, I think it's yes)
But the philosophical answer has to be a no imo
what's the point of imagination if you can only imagine things that exist / have existed ? Things like fantasies wouldn't make sense because you wouldn't be able to imagine them. I think it has to be a yes !
Well to be clearer, imo you cannot create something in thought that comes from nothing. Those thoughts must always be made out of something. But the thought-activity itself is also creative, so the imagined is not just a mere reflection/reproduction of something else, it is something new. Just not out of nothing, rather like the table is made from the pre-existing wood but is nevertheless something different and new. As for imagination and fantasies, I think psychoanalysis is on to something by stating that these are produced out of the unconscious, the un-articulated thought-material that dwells in the mind. So somehow articulating that material would also be a creative activity imo.
On July 05 2020 06:31 sneakyfox wrote: The win-rate of drone pulls in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. We almost never see this strategy lose.
well I was saying that (without the almost haha) about ling floods and MaNa held SortOf's this afternoon. My system of convictions and values was shattered.
Incidentally does anyone know why pro Protosses often do the three building wall on Eternal Empire rather than the two building one? Is it for better re-walling and to reduce surface area?
well that didn't work at all. On maps where you can get the hatchery to block the wall (like Dark attempted vs Stats) this strat is interesting but how Namshar did it doesn't seem sound to me
On July 05 2020 06:49 Penev wrote: so much mad zerg today
I like but I like more if it wins
yeah you've been treated sweet Zerg madness all day long hope to see something more normal between those two for g2 though, they're the undisputed leaders of their group and I was hoping for some solid games here
On July 05 2020 06:49 Penev wrote: so much mad zerg today
I like but I like more if it wins
yeah you've been treated sweet Zerg madness all day long hope to see something more normal between those two for g2 though, they're the undisputed leaders of their group and I was hoping for some solid games here
On July 05 2020 07:05 sneakyfox wrote: So did Nina make it out of the storm? Will there even be a game?
good question. We need an update on this
Meanwhile I have to say it was a bit disappointing that you didn't continue the philosophy debate
hahaha I kinda agree with your points in fact. But I think you can actually imagine something that has never been but that could be reconstructed from things that have (and that you're aware of). For instance, joke aside because the game was painfully over, you could actually picture Astrea disconnecting his brain during the basetrade phase, eating all the biles (well, he ate a lot already) and somehow losing because you can conceive these things. So overall you can weave out the idea of Astrea throwing even if I have to agree that this idea will never be exactly what the actual throw would have been - but I'd say the substance left in your mind by what you imagine would be nearly identical to what the actual thing would have left
On July 05 2020 07:05 sneakyfox wrote: So did Nina make it out of the storm? Will there even be a game?
good question. We need an update on this
Meanwhile I have to say it was a bit disappointing that you didn't continue the philosophy debate
hahaha I kinda agree with your points in fact. But I think you can actually imagine something that has never been but that could be reconstructed from things that have. For instance, joke aside because the game was painfully over, you could actually picture Astrea disconnecting his brain during the basetrade phase, eating all the biles (well, he ate a lot already) and somehow losing because you can conceive these things. So overall you can weave out the idea of Astrea throwing even if I have to agree that this idea will never be exactly what the actual throw would have been - but I'd say the substance left in your mind by what you imagine would be nearly identical to what the actual thing would have left
Well I agree completely with that, as ridiculous as "Namshar winning" may sound
But doesn't that just prove my point? The reason you can imagine the throw is because you have seen other throws (oh god, such massive throws...), and from this thought material that was already there, you imagine something else. Hence, it's not imagining out of nothing.
On July 05 2020 07:13 [PkF] Wire wrote: ok I'm watching without sound but it looks like Nina is playing after all ?
I'm doing the same as you so beats me
But shouldn't it be possible to imagine anything as long as the imagination (or dream) is made up of elements you have seen before?
that's what I was arguing but actually I'm not sure anymore.
Let's say for instance that you're in love with someone and wondering if you should tell them. You picture the confession in your head based on your previous experiences, your knowledge of the person, etc. But then when you do it it usually feels nothing like what you had imagined. But one could argue that what was the problem here was a lack of anticipation, not a lack of imagination (you could have imagined if you'd have known how that'd feel, etc). It's very complicated.
overall I think we all agree you can imagine things that are somehow anchored in some reality (even mental). The imperfections of the imagined things compared to the actual things are more due to a default of calculation (really taking every parameter into account, which is practically impossible) rather than a default of modelization (if everything it's based on is anchored in reality, you can imagine it).
On July 05 2020 07:13 [PkF] Wire wrote: ok I'm watching without sound but it looks like Nina is playing after all ?
I'm doing the same as you so beats me
But shouldn't it be possible to imagine anything as long as the imagination (or dream) is made up of elements you have seen before?
that's what I was arguing but actually I'm not sure anymore.
Let's say for instance that you're in love with someone and wondering if you should tell them. You picture the confession in your head based on your previous experiences, your knowledge of the person, etc. But then when you do it it usually feels nothing like what you had imagined. But one could argue that what was the problem here was a lack of anticipation, not a lack of imagination (you could have imagined if you'd have known how that'd feel, etc). It's very complicated.
Yea it can never really be the same to think about it and experience it. Once you actually experience it there is another person there, a real one, who will impact reality in ways that you could only have anticipated if you were able to create a 100% accurate copy of their personality in your mind. And imo that will never be possible. (that's not saying that you could never anticipate certain things, of course. Like Maru was always going to 2-rax etc)
I like Semper's composition a bit more. Will probably need to add more phoenix if he wants to deal with the disruptors in an efficient way. yay the second stargate
On July 05 2020 07:32 Penev wrote: It's been a while since I've seen any announcements
Last I heard they took it down because they had got what they wanted. This was also when it was starting to beat top tier pros, so I imagine there could have been a deal with blizzard that they had to stop it at that point.
On July 05 2020 07:31 Penev wrote: How is Alphastar doing these days btw?
I don't think they are continuing this project, but people who actually know the answer will correct me if I'm wrong
Alphabet/ Google discontinuing a project? I never!
Would be a shame, I found it quite interesting
that was very interesting indeed but I think that once they achieve what they had in mind they move on to another challenge. They did it with go and chess, I don't see why they wouldn't move on with sc2. Dunno the next step though.
On July 05 2020 07:32 Penev wrote: It's been a while since I've seen any announcements
Last I heard they took it down because they had got what they wanted. This was also when it was starting to beat top tier pros, so I imagine there could have been a deal with blizzard that they had to stop it at that point.
On July 05 2020 07:31 Penev wrote: How is Alphastar doing these days btw?
I don't think they are continuing this project, but people who actually know the answer will correct me if I'm wrong
Alphabet/ Google discontinuing a project? I never!
Would be a shame, I found it quite interesting
that was very interesting indeed but I think that once they achieve what they had in mind they move on to another challenge. They did it with go and chess, I don't see why they wouldn't move on with sc2. Dunno the next step though.
On July 05 2020 07:32 Penev wrote: It's been a while since I've seen any announcements
Last I heard they took it down because they had got what they wanted. This was also when it was starting to beat top tier pros, so I imagine there could have been a deal with blizzard that they had to stop it at that point.
yeah pretty much this
Yeah but they didn't really prove (to the world) the agents would reliably win vs the best like with Go
On July 05 2020 07:31 Penev wrote: How is Alphastar doing these days btw?
I don't think they are continuing this project, but people who actually know the answer will correct me if I'm wrong
Alphabet/ Google discontinuing a project? I never!
Would be a shame, I found it quite interesting
that was very interesting indeed but I think that once they achieve what they had in mind they move on to another challenge. They did it with go and chess, I don't see why they wouldn't move on with sc2. Dunno the next step though.
On July 05 2020 07:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 05 2020 07:32 Penev wrote: It's been a while since I've seen any announcements
Last I heard they took it down because they had got what they wanted. This was also when it was starting to beat top tier pros, so I imagine there could have been a deal with blizzard that they had to stop it at that point.
yeah pretty much this
Yeah but they didn't really prove (to the world) the agents would reliably win vs the best like with Go
That could have been blizzard's condition for letting them use the ladder though, that they couldn't beat the best. Go, on the other hand, is not controlled by anyone so google could do as they pleased.
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
On July 05 2020 07:31 Penev wrote: How is Alphastar doing these days btw?
I don't think they are continuing this project, but people who actually know the answer will correct me if I'm wrong
Alphabet/ Google discontinuing a project? I never!
Would be a shame, I found it quite interesting
that was very interesting indeed but I think that once they achieve what they had in mind they move on to another challenge. They did it with go and chess, I don't see why they wouldn't move on with sc2. Dunno the next step though.
On July 05 2020 07:36 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 05 2020 07:32 Penev wrote: It's been a while since I've seen any announcements
Last I heard they took it down because they had got what they wanted. This was also when it was starting to beat top tier pros, so I imagine there could have been a deal with blizzard that they had to stop it at that point.
yeah pretty much this
Yeah but they didn't really prove (to the world) the agents would reliably win vs the best like with Go
That could have been blizzard's condition for letting them use the ladder though, that they couldn't beat the best. Go, on the other hand, is not controlled by anyone so google could do as they pleased.
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
I can only imagine TvT is enough of a fuckfest for me, pvp seems like one of those "do not try this at home" things.
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
I can only imagine TvT is enough of a fuckfest for me, pvp seems like one of those "do not try this at home" things.
What is pts though?
meant ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder), I thought you could use pts for post traumatic syndrome
But yeah I should definitely just open my mind and try to forget all those PvP games ^^
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
I can only imagine TvT is enough of a fuckfest for me, pvp seems like one of those "do not try this at home" things.
What is pts though?
meant ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder), I thought you could use pts for post traumatic syndrome
But yeah I should definitely just open my mind and try to forget all those PvP games ^^
Ahh, of course... Poor Semper is probably feeling that right now
On July 05 2020 07:45 Argonauta wrote: Can someone update the picture of nina in liquipedia? People is bitching about it in twitch chat....
I'm sure someone is gonna work on it but it's often not as easy as simply changing pictures. Lickypiddy requires permission from the owners/creators to use the images.
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
I can only imagine TvT is enough of a fuckfest for me, pvp seems like one of those "do not try this at home" things.
What is pts though?
meant ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder), I thought you could use pts for post traumatic syndrome
But yeah I should definitely just open my mind and try to forget all those PvP games ^^
As a mere ladder player I don't think PvP is anything to get frustrated by. You just invoke the power of Protoss, do whatever you feel like and either win or lose.
Also Semper obviously deserved all of that for betraying humanity.
Neeb must have been relieved to see Silky lose that series v Tlo as he didnt have a top-2 finish in his own hands. Now he just needs to beat Masa to secure it. Looking forward to the closing matches of all the groups tommorrow
On July 05 2020 06:31 sneakyfox wrote: The win-rate of drone pulls in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. We almost never see this strategy lose.
Reynor absolutely smashed Elazer tho. Wasn't on Everdream. I want to say it was death aura, but I don't remember. Anyway, he didn't wall off, just wrecked him with micro.
On July 05 2020 07:31 Penev wrote: How is Alphastar doing these days btw?
I don't think they are continuing this project, but people who actually know the answer will correct me if I'm wrong
I can't say anything officially but I don't think it's been cancelled. Their code is locked down on a NTK basis so I can't actually check and couldn't really talk about it if I could but I don't *think* it's been cancelled. That being said it's possible it could be in the future bc a lot of teams have been reprioritized due to COVID. but I guess Deepmind is its own thing and outside of Google technically.
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
I can only imagine TvT is enough of a fuckfest for me, pvp seems like one of those "do not try this at home" things.
What is pts though?
meant ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder), I thought you could use pts for post traumatic syndrome
But yeah I should definitely just open my mind and try to forget all those PvP games ^^
As a mere ladder player I don't think PvP is anything to get frustrated by. You just invoke the power of Protoss, do whatever you feel like and either win or lose.
I guess you could say that of all mus. PvP frustrated me to insane extents, I couldn't deal with adepts / oracles, hated it when my opponent managed to sneak a phoenix opening, hated to play vs blink in early game, hated to play vs disruptors (oh my God did I hate that), hated proxy robos, hated not being able to expand safely most of the time... I'm pretty sure I could have learnt to play it better and learn to appreciate it, but throughout my playing experience it's been my worst mu by far (well, except for that time when you could 4 gate and that was the only build I was doing) and I can't remember one time when I enjoyed playing it.
Unfortunately TvT wasn't that much better so I ended up giving up on the game
On July 05 2020 07:38 sneakyfox wrote: This new patch really has done wonders for pvp.
sarcasm, right ?
No seriously. Taking your third is no longer ultra late game, it's not over in a blink of an eye. You don't like it?
well I used to play Protoss and PvP was the main reason I stopped actually playing the game so I'm a bit biased here, it's hard for me to appreciate PvP even in an overall interesting game like this one. That's why I asked and I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. For me the pts is too hard to overcome !
I can only imagine TvT is enough of a fuckfest for me, pvp seems like one of those "do not try this at home" things.
What is pts though?
meant ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder), I thought you could use pts for post traumatic syndrome
But yeah I should definitely just open my mind and try to forget all those PvP games ^^
As a mere ladder player I don't think PvP is anything to get frustrated by. You just invoke the power of Protoss, do whatever you feel like and either win or lose.
I guess you could say that of all mus. PvP frustrated me to insane extents, I couldn't deal with adepts / oracles, hated it when my opponent managed to sneak a phoenix opening, hated to play vs blink in early game, hated to play vs disruptors (oh my God did I hate that), hated proxy robos, hated not being able to expand safely most of the time... I'm pretty sure I could have learnt to play it better and learn to appreciate it, but throughout my playing experience it's been my worst mu by far (well, except for that time when you could 4 gate and that was the only build I was doing) and I can't remember one time when I enjoyed playing it.
Unfortunately TvT wasn't that much better so I ended up giving up on the game
unsure about Future - Namshar (anyway Future qualifies for the lower bracket at worse) but Neeb is virtually in, I don't see MaSa causing him any trouble at all
Scarlett vs TLO game 1 was... interesting. TLO was too scared to go with his midgame advantage and Scarlett just proved better in the ravager vs lurker wars
Astrea vs Neeb is such an awesome matchup. Neeb who was the best NA player for a few years now vs Astrea who wants to claim the title of best NA Protoss for himself, can't wait for this match
On July 06 2020 07:12 AzAlexZ wrote: Astrea vs Neeb is such an awesome matchup. Neeb who was the best NA player for a few years now vs Astrea who wants to claim the title of best NA Protoss for himself, can't wait for this match
I can't wait for that match,is it going to be a bo5?
On July 06 2020 07:12 AzAlexZ wrote: Astrea vs Neeb is such an awesome matchup. Neeb who was the best NA player for a few years now vs Astrea who wants to claim the title of best NA Protoss for himself, can't wait for this match
I can't wait for that match,is it going to be a bo5?
yes all matches in playoffs are bo5 except finals which is bo7
This was a better game overall from Future but the splitting was still not there. Maybe the best analogy would be TaeJa as he was coming back to the game.
On July 09 2020 05:55 royalroadweed wrote: Is future about to join root? Some serious man crushing here from catz.
CatZ is usually this passionate (similarly to feardragon) about promising players from the American continent, so I wouldn't be reading too much into it.
A upset for sure, but after having seen Future improve the last few years and with his recent form. Cant call it a huge one imo. What im most surprised about though is how he came back from 2-1 down especially as he really gave that 2nd game away and then died rather quickly in game 3. Didnt expect him to recover there ill admit.
NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
Not too surprised tbh. I knew if it went to game 5 that Future had this. I did get worried after game 3, but Future is much better than people give him credit for.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
I guess its just because Time hasnt really done anything the last 10 months or so after the huge hype surrounding him while its Future that has been greatly improving in that time.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
I'm not a believer in his TvT/TvP yet. He's semi region locked and the Chinese meta is funky.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
what about soul? hes serrals practice partner for a reason
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
what about soul? hes serrals practice partner for a reason
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
I'm not a believer in his TvT/TvP yet. He's semi region locked and the Chinese meta is funky.
He regularly competes against high level Koreans and he's got more accomplishments than Future in every matchup.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
It's a bit of a meme to mention Future and leave out TIME.
I'm not a believer in his TvT/TvP yet. He's semi region locked and the Chinese meta is funky.
I didn't realize China has enough terrans to have a TvT meta. Just kidding. I know TIME beats up Coffee from time to time.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so. In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
Agreed. The problem is for a long period last year T <= Z, which left barely any Terrans in tournaments for Protoss to feed on. And right now it feels like T > Z > P = T, so Protoss is struggling again. I am suprised by how little Protoss players complained in the last few years, and I say this as a Zerg.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.
I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.
I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.
Just becomes questionable when there's a pattern of the things that work for Protoss getting nerfed very quickly without compensation whereas we all had to bear with BL/infestor for half a year last year for the 2nd time in SC2.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.
I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.
These playstyles are bad, but the most traumatising composition of all time (BL/Inf) was allowed to dominate ZvP lategame for ages, so its weird that only Protoss gets its abusive shit nerfed immediately.
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote: The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE
SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.
It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.
On July 09 2020 06:06 royalroadweed wrote: NA Clem did it. Gabe, uthermal, Juan, Clem, Future. I don't think the foreign terran line up has ever been this strong or this deep in all of sc2 + sc1.
All it took was completely kneecapping Protoss and Zerg to get foreign Terrans to compete
Yeah it is nice to not have to cope with the constant terran whining in these LR's but maybe there needs to be some adjustments still. Dem terrans sure rose up simultaneously.
Maybe like all the Zergs over the last years they simultaneously figured out they're just more talented than players of the other races
Korea seems to be trending toward T > Z > P > T, maybe foreignland is following suit.
T > Z > P > T has been the status quo for almost all of LotV though the magnitude of the inequalities has varied quite a bit.
We had a good chunk of Z > P & Z > T wherein T was just not as bad off as P. Also a bit of T > P. Incidentally all instances of P > Z lead to nerfs.
I understand the nerfs. Usually whenever P>Z its accompanied by absolute cancer play-styles like 2 base all ins every game or turtle sky toss.
These playstyles are bad, but the most traumatising composition of all time (BL/Inf) was allowed to dominate ZvP lategame for ages, so its weird that only Protoss gets its abusive shit nerfed immediately.
Not just protoss. Ravens were redesigned after one tournament while infestors remained the same for a year. Now that I think about it maybe zergs have just figured out to optimally whine. Don't whine about about the strength of units, whine about the style from a viewer perspective.
edit: I wonder how long until we hear, "mass adept are just not fun to watch".
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote: The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE
SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.
It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.
Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote: The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE
SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.
It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.
Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor
Shroud is useful in the very common situation where you have infestor/hydra, don't have neural parasite and are going against skytoss without high templar support. If they do have storm, well, Elazer showed us what happens then.
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote: What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so. In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote: What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so. In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?
I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?
he was playing csgo before hand. Edit: Neeb wins, yay!!!
On July 09 2020 06:33 Penev wrote: The most insane thing about BL/Infestor is that it happened TWICE
SC2's design favors air units, and Brood Lords are Zerg's only good air unit against ground, so it makes sense.
It doesn't really make sense Blizz allowed it to happen twice and for months with no reaction. The first time was an attempt to kill the game already. And most of BL/infestor's power comes from the spellcaster, not the brood.
Both times a big factor were the infested terrans. I mean S H R O U D is useless but at least it doesn't cause BL/Infestor
Shroud is useful in the very common situation where you have infestor/hydra, don't have neural parasite and are going against skytoss without high templar support. If they do have storm, well, Elazer showed us what happens then.
On July 09 2020 06:26 Rob-Zero wrote: What is up with Neeb? I mean in general, is he taking it easy nowadays? I´m always thinking he could be so much better than what i saw from him in the last year or so. In this case, why did he not try to wait until overcharge was running out or get out of range?
I don't have an answer, maybe he's studying?
he was playing csgo before hand. Edit: Neeb wins, yay!!!
Future plays chess, so is it confirmed that chess makes for better starcraft practice than csgo?
Neeb's weakest match-up by some margin, and also Astrea's strongest. But Neeb played better as the series progressed.
Neeb vs Future should be a decent match-up. If Neeb actually bothers to come up with a gameplan instead of playing super standard, though, it might be quite one-sided. Luckily, he never seems to bother planning much for NA-tier competition.
On July 10 2020 05:26 Penev wrote: apart from those bad move commands last game Nina is looking pretty solid
opening was disastrous for Silky though I think. I was honestly surprised when he got a nearly playable position after he repelled Nina's first push
It takes 2 to tango though; Nina's defense has been quite mauer like.
true
nevertheless it's happening again, Nina defends very well something rather all-in and somehow Silky is still alive. I don't like her big fights control too much
edit : like eating that huge bile, even if she could still break through
honestly if I'm Silky I stop playing those all-ins because I feel my control is at least equally good and I try to play a good standard ling bane ravager game.
On July 10 2020 05:26 Penev wrote: apart from those bad move commands last game Nina is looking pretty solid
opening was disastrous for Silky though I think. I was honestly surprised when he got a nearly playable position after he repelled Nina's first push
It takes 2 to tango though; Nina's defense has been quite mauer like.
true
nevertheless it's happening again, Nina defends very well something rather all-in and somehow Silky is still alive. I don't like her big fights control too much
edit : like eating that huge bile, even if she could still break through
It seems like we are in agreement but are arguing from different perspectives.
On July 10 2020 05:26 Penev wrote: apart from those bad move commands last game Nina is looking pretty solid
opening was disastrous for Silky though I think. I was honestly surprised when he got a nearly playable position after he repelled Nina's first push
It takes 2 to tango though; Nina's defense has been quite mauer like.
true
nevertheless it's happening again, Nina defends very well something rather all-in and somehow Silky is still alive. I don't like her big fights control too much
edit : like eating that huge bile, even if she could still break through
It seems like we are in agreement but are arguing from different perspectives.
On July 10 2020 05:26 Penev wrote: apart from those bad move commands last game Nina is looking pretty solid
opening was disastrous for Silky though I think. I was honestly surprised when he got a nearly playable position after he repelled Nina's first push
It takes 2 to tango though; Nina's defense has been quite mauer like.
true
nevertheless it's happening again, Nina defends very well something rather all-in and somehow Silky is still alive. I don't like her big fights control too much
edit : like eating that huge bile, even if she could still break through
It seems like we are in agreement but are arguing from different perspectives.
yeah I think so too ^^
Those biles were brutal indeed. I think she was looking away fro the main battle like at that zealot attack
On July 10 2020 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm happy Silky is going for something less aggressive, I'd like to see how he fares in a standard game
Same ^^
I'm like you and I usually love Zerg madness, but I feel this is just not the way to go here. Maybe try to get 2 wins in rather standard games and keep something all-innish for g5 if you manage to get there
I wonder why Zergs always seem to neglect the creep spread at the 12 oclock base. Would be nice to have some vision of the attacks incoming from the side
On July 10 2020 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'm happy Silky is going for something less aggressive, I'd like to see how he fares in a standard game
Same ^^
I'm like you and I usually love Zerg madness, but I feel this is just not the way to go here. Maybe try to get 2 wins in rather standard games and keep something all-innish for g5 if you manage to get there
What I like the most is variety in games and exciting close series. Constant madness gets boring too.
I have to say I'm a bit disappointed by this series. They said in the pre-game talk that Silky wasn't feeling too good about his vP but it feels like he shot himself in the foot in g1-2 with his openings and by doing so exposed himself to a loss like in g3 when he just messed up one or two engages
On July 10 2020 06:25 [PkF] Wire wrote: it's really hard for me to get into those standardish ZvZs. Hoping that TLO goes for some wilder things
I'm praying for some mass overlord stuff
is that an Elazer joke or do such things really exist ?
Yeah at times TLO has been quite creative with the creep vomit ability
so he makes a huge highway and all-ins ? Enlighten me please ^^
Various stuff afair. He liked to ship queens to the middle of the map to spam tumors on overlord creep. But come to think of it that's probably not zvz lol
On July 10 2020 06:25 [PkF] Wire wrote: it's really hard for me to get into those standardish ZvZs. Hoping that TLO goes for some wilder things
I'm praying for some mass overlord stuff
is that an Elazer joke or do such things really exist ?
Yeah at times TLO has been quite creative with the creep vomit ability
so he makes a huge highway and all-ins ? Enlighten me please ^^
Various stuff afair. He liked to ship queens to the middle of the map to spam tumors on overlord creep. But come to think of it that's probably not zvz lol
haha I was indeed thinking "but how does it help vZ since the other one benefits from the creep too" ? I've already seen the queens drops to get the creep going by TLO vP indeed, nice stuff.
On July 10 2020 06:35 sneakyfox wrote: Well I guess TLO just did something with a lot of overlords
hahahaha
Pretty much confirms TLO having the LR open on a second screen imo
Having casters post here is really inflating the LR thread's narcissism.
I'm pretty sure uThermal's still the only player to have won a game following advice from an LR thread.
That too, but I think it went completely off the rails when Showtime did exactly what the LR was demanding and then even dropped by after the match
Is there a story behind the uThermal thing? Do tell!
iirc uThermal was doing a 2-1-1 every game and doing some damage before leaving assuming that his zerg opponent (TRUE, or Hydra maybe) had some sort of defense prepared even though they didn't. People were mentioning that in the LR, so the next game he stayed longer in the zerg base with his 2-1-1 and just killed the zerg.
On July 10 2020 06:35 sneakyfox wrote: Well I guess TLO just did something with a lot of overlords
hahahaha
Pretty much confirms TLO having the LR open on a second screen imo
Having casters post here is really inflating the LR thread's narcissism.
I'm pretty sure uThermal's still the only player to have won a game following advice from an LR thread.
That too, but I think it went completely off the rails when Showtime did exactly what the LR was demanding and then even dropped by after the match
Is there a story behind the uThermal thing? Do tell!
iirc uThermal was doing a 2-1-1 every game and doing some damage before leaving assuming that his zerg opponent (TRUE, or Hydra maybe) had some sort of defense prepared even though they didn't. People were mentioning that in the LR, so the next game he stayed longer in the zerg base with his 2-1-1 and just killed the zerg.
On July 10 2020 06:35 sneakyfox wrote: Well I guess TLO just did something with a lot of overlords
hahahaha
Pretty much confirms TLO having the LR open on a second screen imo
Having casters post here is really inflating the LR thread's narcissism.
I'm pretty sure uThermal's still the only player to have won a game following advice from an LR thread.
That too, but I think it went completely off the rails when Showtime did exactly what the LR was demanding and then even dropped by after the match
Is there a story behind the uThermal thing? Do tell!
iirc uThermal was doing a 2-1-1 every game and doing some damage before leaving assuming that his zerg opponent (TRUE, or Hydra maybe) had some sort of defense prepared even though they didn't. People were mentioning that in the LR, so the next game he stayed longer in the zerg base with his 2-1-1 and just killed the zerg.
lol that's so good. It should almost be considered cheating to read the LR between games
On July 10 2020 06:35 sneakyfox wrote: Well I guess TLO just did something with a lot of overlords
hahahaha
Pretty much confirms TLO having the LR open on a second screen imo
Having casters post here is really inflating the LR thread's narcissism.
I'm pretty sure uThermal's still the only player to have won a game following advice from an LR thread.
That too, but I think it went completely off the rails when Showtime did exactly what the LR was demanding and then even dropped by after the match
Is there a story behind the uThermal thing? Do tell!
iirc uThermal was doing a 2-1-1 every game and doing some damage before leaving assuming that his zerg opponent (TRUE, or Hydra maybe) had some sort of defense prepared even though they didn't. People were mentioning that in the LR, so the next game he stayed longer in the zerg base with his 2-1-1 and just killed the zerg.
lol that's so good. It should almost be considered cheating to read the LR between games
I'm sure following LR advice has lost more games than its won.
On July 10 2020 07:31 sneakyfox wrote: I too have enjoyed it a lot. The production is actually very good, so good that I haven't really thought about it at all.
Looking forward to the showdown this weekend.
oh yeah, same. All those brackets are really stacked and interesting, I'm really eager to see who is going to win / qualify !
expected results today, but the battle for the qualifying spots will be absolutely crazy with all the favorites being there. Very hard to predict who will manage to survive !
Astrea is really adamant to go blink sentries colossi in PvZ ! Here he went there with an advantage and probably could have gone for more or less anything sensible, but it starts to look like this is his go-to PvZ composition
On July 12 2020 05:18 royalroadweed wrote: The level of NA starcraft sure has increased a lot. This could a GSL ro24 match.
NA has had that in Scarlett vs Neeb for the past 4 years. Now they've finally, finally brought 2 more players to that level in Astrea and Future. But it's a very slow process.
Why continue making drones when your ling scouts the adepts coming from the other side of the map? Maybe zerg players are too comfortable thinking all early pressure can be defended with queens.
On July 12 2020 05:41 Lexender wrote: With this Scarlett lose I can see Astrea vs Neeb in NA and Serral vs Reynor in EU.
That being said Astrea vs Future would be really refreshing, overcoming the usual suspects but Future really needs to bring his A game here.
I have to agree those are the most likely scenarios, but I hope we get at least one non mirror finals (though PvP has been growing on me lately and I actually wouldn't mind Astrea - Neeb)
it's not surprising. future is rising and he can potentially play really well, but there's just too high of a chance that neeb will play amazing or that future will have some big screwups - either of which will lead to a one sided series
I aleays surprises me when casters say this type of play is "weird and mindgame-y" when the TvP meta has been proxies and all in pushes for months now, this is basically a standard Inno-TY TvP.
On July 12 2020 06:18 travis wrote: it's not surprising. future is rising and he can potentially play really well, but there's just too high of a chance that neeb will play amazing or that future to have some big screwups - either of which will lead to a one sided series
yeah and in most sports the established player will be especially motivated when playing an up and coming player in a rather high stake match, just to make a statement
Just intuition here but I think part of the problem is that future may have come in thinking he wouldn't be able to beat neeb. If he simply played straightforward and solid and focused on his strengths and fundamentals we would have had a good showing.
OK not the best sc2 day I have to say. Future shouldn't have such a mental block vs Astrea I think (no way this is his actual level), the series will be better
On July 12 2020 06:29 [PkF] Wire wrote: OK not the best sc2 day I have to say. Future shouldn't have such a mental block vs Astrea I think (no way this is his actual level), the series will be better
Astrea will also have to contend with worse ping than he did against Scarlett. That said he already lost in the group so I'd still say Astrea's favored. The whole NA portion of today was a disaster.
On July 12 2020 06:29 [PkF] Wire wrote: OK not the best sc2 day I have to say. Future shouldn't have such a mental block vs Astrea I think (no way this is his actual level), the series will be better
Astrea will also have to contend with worse ping than he did against Scarlett. That said he already lost in the group so I'd still say Astrea's favored. The whole NA portion of today was a disaster.
agree with every single sentence ^^ (last one especially haha)
Expectations are probably measured in the face of the history of PvP
I'm probably crazy but since Astrea - Neeb and Showtime - Ptitdrogo rather entertained me my expectations are strictly superior to zero hope they go over some Nexus first debate again btw ^^
On July 13 2020 05:57 Penev wrote: I'm imagining 2 colossi headbutting
Did they add that ability yet to the game?
Ohh, I see it too. It is.... beautiful! They are firing the lasers just as the heads collide. Lights everywhere, metal blowing up, it's like the biggest rave party in history!
Surely that is part of the game now. It's unfathomable that they wouldn't have added it imho.
As far as I know colossus headbutting hasn't made it through Blizzard testing yet because two colossi headbutted each other and they're still engaged in a worldbreaking struggle as we speak.
On July 13 2020 05:57 Penev wrote: I'm imagining 2 colossi headbutting
Did they add that ability yet to the game?
Ohh, I see it too. It is.... beautiful! They are firing the lasers just as the heads collide. Lights everywhere, metal blowing up, it's like the biggest rave party in history!
Surely that is part of the game now. It's unfathomable that they wouldn't have added it imho.
On July 13 2020 06:07 Elentos wrote: As far as I know colossus headbutting hasn't made it through Blizzard testing yet because two colossi headbutted each other and they're still engaged in a worldbreaking struggle as we speak.
Must be a delay like that indeed. There just isn't any good reason not to implement such an obvious ability to the game.
On July 13 2020 06:07 Elentos wrote: As far as I know colossus headbutting hasn't made it through Blizzard testing yet because two colossi headbutted each other and they're still engaged in a worldbreaking struggle as we speak.
This could totally be a thing in the next Rick and Morty season.
i'm not really following sc2 very closely, only watch GSL and occassionally shit i see pop on TL, like this.
i had no idea until way into the playoffs that this was important. i really only realised cause they talked about it on the Pylon Show.
i understand it's hard to make an online tournament appear like a huge deal, and it'll take some time for the community as a whole to adjust to this situation (which hopefully won't be around for that long).
but as the guys and gal on the Pylon Show said: the whole presentation of this feels like it's some qualifier for some thing that will happen way down the road. i guess technically it IS a qualifier, but the regional tournaments themselves are already a huge deal and give out a lot of prize money.
idk what the best way would be to change that feel of "this is some small thing like the weeklies Wardi casts 24/7". but the whole colour-coding to distinguish regions idea is probably a start, along with having specific caster teams for each region.
On July 13 2020 06:26 stilt wrote: Sad for future but really happy to see Astrea performing, it's a amazing new face among the top foreigners.
yeah I like it a lot as well. Especially pleasing is the fact that this Astrea, in addition to having a lot of talent, has a style of his own and seems to be a very sweet dude
On July 13 2020 06:21 Schelim wrote: btw, about this tournament:
i'm not really following sc2 very closely, only watch GSL and occassionally shit i see pop on TL, like this.
i had no idea until way into the playoffs that this was important. i really only realised cause they talked about it on the Pylon Show.
i understand it's hard to make an online tournament appear like a huge deal, and it'll take some time for the community as a whole to adjust to this situation (which hopefully won't be around for that long).
but as the guys and gal on the Pylon Show said: the whole presentation of this feels like it's some qualifier for some thing that will happen way down the road. i guess technically it IS a qualifier, but the regional tournaments themselves are already a huge deal and give out a lot of prize money.
idk what the best way would be to change that feel of "this is some small thing like the weeklies Wardi casts 24/7". but the whole colour-coding to distinguish regions idea is probably a start, along with having specific caster teams for each region.
Tbh I think the main problem is that it all has to be online because of corona. There is nothing like an actual audience to convey the legitimacy of a proper championship on a tournament. Other than that, I think they're handling it quite well. But you're suggestions still seem like a good idea. Apollo has been talking about ESL doing some survey and asking for feedback after the season finals are over.
My main issue so far is the scheduling of tournaments held by different organisers. Oh, and the music between games. This is leagues below GSL and HSC.
On July 13 2020 06:21 Schelim wrote: btw, about this tournament:
i'm not really following sc2 very closely, only watch GSL and occassionally shit i see pop on TL, like this.
i had no idea until way into the playoffs that this was important. i really only realised cause they talked about it on the Pylon Show.
i understand it's hard to make an online tournament appear like a huge deal, and it'll take some time for the community as a whole to adjust to this situation (which hopefully won't be around for that long).
but as the guys and gal on the Pylon Show said: the whole presentation of this feels like it's some qualifier for some thing that will happen way down the road. i guess technically it IS a qualifier, but the regional tournaments themselves are already a huge deal and give out a lot of prize money.
idk what the best way would be to change that feel of "this is some small thing like the weeklies Wardi casts 24/7". but the whole colour-coding to distinguish regions idea is probably a start, along with having specific caster teams for each region.
Its definitely felt far more important in presentation than the other online tourneys in my experience watching this and other tourneys
On July 13 2020 06:21 Schelim wrote: btw, about this tournament:
i'm not really following sc2 very closely, only watch GSL and occassionally shit i see pop on TL, like this.
i had no idea until way into the playoffs that this was important. i really only realised cause they talked about it on the Pylon Show.
i understand it's hard to make an online tournament appear like a huge deal, and it'll take some time for the community as a whole to adjust to this situation (which hopefully won't be around for that long).
but as the guys and gal on the Pylon Show said: the whole presentation of this feels like it's some qualifier for some thing that will happen way down the road. i guess technically it IS a qualifier, but the regional tournaments themselves are already a huge deal and give out a lot of prize money.
idk what the best way would be to change that feel of "this is some small thing like the weeklies Wardi casts 24/7". but the whole colour-coding to distinguish regions idea is probably a start, along with having specific caster teams for each region.
Fun fact, spanish casters said in a Special stream once that they don't get paid to do the LatAm cast because they aren't official casters, only the english ones are.
Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
On July 13 2020 07:13 sneakyfox wrote: Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
On July 13 2020 07:13 sneakyfox wrote: Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
I need to come up with memes about myself involving truck loads of money :o
On July 13 2020 07:13 sneakyfox wrote: Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
I need to come up with memes about myself involving truck loads of money :o
The only logical choice at this point.
Btw, here's an idea: when disruptor novas collide they merge into a supernova which none of the players can control, but which does terrible terrible damage. Thoughts?
Seems really hard to outsmart Astrea with agressive builds. Strategically he really is a very top Protoss already, if he can improve his mechanics to the highest level he will be really scary.
On July 13 2020 07:13 sneakyfox wrote: Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
I need to come up with memes about myself involving truck loads of money :o
The only logical choice at this point.
Btw, here's an idea: when disruptor novas collide they merge into a supernova which none of the players can control, but which does terrible terrible damage. Thoughts?
On July 13 2020 07:13 sneakyfox wrote: Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
I need to come up with memes about myself involving truck loads of money :o
The only logical choice at this point.
Btw, here's an idea: when disruptor novas collide they merge into a supernova which none of the players can control, but which does terrible terrible damage. Thoughts?
On July 13 2020 07:13 sneakyfox wrote: Honestly Penev is not just a Meme Lord, more like a Meme God. He doesn't make memes about reality like other memers - he makes reality about his memes. I'm in awe.
I need to come up with memes about myself involving truck loads of money :o
The only logical choice at this point.
Btw, here's an idea: when disruptor novas collide they merge into a supernova which none of the players can control, but which does terrible terrible damage. Thoughts?
Implement
at once
Time to pitch that good old tent in front of DK's house again to make sure he gets all the information he needs as soon as he leaves the house
Fun series, but man this feels like watching my team (Frankfurt) play against Freiburg after watching a Bayern - Dortmund game. Still entertaining, but it does not even look like the same sport is played.
On July 13 2020 08:04 ChaosArcher wrote: Fun series, but man this feels like watching my team (Frankfurt) play against Freiburg after watching a Bayern - Dortmund game. Still entertaining, but it does not even look like the same sport is played.
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