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Global StarCraft II League/2020/Season 2Streams & Casters
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- Group Stage #1 (Round of 24): Dual Tournament Format.
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[GSL 2020] Code S - RO24 - Group B
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Poll: Who Advances? Stats & Dark (20) Stats & Astrea (6) Dark & Astrea (5) Dark & Impact (5) Astrea & Impact (1) Impact & Stats (1) 38 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Stats & Dark | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Would love to see Astrea take at least one series here though | ||
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Kuchikikun
Italy560 Posts
Dark is my favourite non Protoss player and Astrea has great builds so I'm going to be happy if they qualify (sorry Impact). I cant' see the event,is it normal? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
I haven't seen Astrea play before, but he's got a tough group with Dark & Stats >.< edit: I see Wax is on the job. | ||
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Wrathsc2
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sneakyfox
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sneakyfox
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Vindicare605
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sudete
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Morbidius
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[PkF] Wire
France24193 Posts
is the sound out of sync btw ? Edit : nah I F5ed and it's ok now | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:48 [PkF] Wire wrote: Dark is merciless hahaha He takes special joy in slaughtering foreigners. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:38 Morbidius wrote: Life vs Lilbow incoming? Game 1 has already exceeded the entire Life vs Lilbow series in length and quality | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24193 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:48 sudete wrote: Game 1 has already exceeded the entire Life vs Lilbow series in length and quality pretty much ^^ | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:37 sudete wrote: Neeb reached the semis the last time he played GSL didn't he? And if I'm to believe what some 'experts' say, Astrea is better than Neeb nowadays despite the 500 aligulac point difference between the two who on earth thinks astrea is better than neeb lol | ||
GTR
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[PkF] Wire
France24193 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:52 BerserkSword wrote: who on earth thinks astrea is better than neeb lol well recent results at least make a debate acceptable | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: well recent results at least make a debate acceptable Nah I been following them both for a while, cheering for them both since they are american. Astrea has a lot of potential but he isn't neeb level yet even a slumping neeb. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: Nah I been following them both for a while, cheering for them both since they are american. Astrea has a lot of potential but he isn't neeb level yet even a slumping neeb. Also Neeb was arguably way better then than he is now | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:00 dbRic1203 wrote: Also Neeb was arguably way better then than he is now no doubt in my mind about that | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On June 24 2020 18:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: well recent results at least make a debate acceptable I think it has to do with expectations. When Astrea beats a player like Showtime, Heromarine or Elazer, people say "wow he is really popping off with these mad results". When Neeb does the same, it's a bit more like "maybe he isn't so washed up after all, but he is nowhere near his old self". On average, Neeb's slump-city form is still 6800 mmr and a 65-70% winrate but people gloss over the matches that he 'should' win and does win. Add that to the fact that Astrea's strongest matchup is pvp (by some distance) and Neeb's weakest matchup is pvp (also by some distance), and it's fair to say that Astrea has a shot in a match against Neeb. But on the basis of average performance, the gap is still sizeable. We'll see how DH goes for them | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Maybe such is the nature of Protoss - even Zest, sOs and Stats have deep slumps. The meta? The patches? | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:04 RKC wrote: What's up with Neeb anyway? Any personal issues why he's slumping? Maybe such is the nature of Protoss - even Zest, sOs and Stats have deep slumps. The meta? The patches? Neebs best playstyle (ultra late skytoss) got hard nerfed | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:04 RKC wrote: What's up with Neeb anyway? Any personal issues why he's slumping? Maybe such is the nature of Protoss race - even Zest, sOs and Stats have deep slumps. The meta? The patches? Future made an account called "NeebPlayCSGO" But on a more serious note, Neeb does well whenever protoss has stronger defensive capabilities. The last patch was generally not great for protoss, and neeb started adopting an unreasonably aggressive playstyle during the worst period of his slump (TSL qualifiers). I think it's reasonable to expect that he will do better this patch | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:06 Andi_Goldberger wrote: Neebs best playstyle (ultra late skytoss) got hard nerfed He's pretty good at shading adepts too. | ||
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Z3nith
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sudete
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Crocolisk Dundee
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virpi
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Tyrhanius
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:15 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: "That stupid cloud thing." Tastosis have forgotten the name "Microbial Shroud". Someone highlight this. That stupid cloud thing is in fact the correct nomenclature | ||
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Morbidius
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Penev
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Andi_Goldberger
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Elentos
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:17 Morbidius wrote: Wait does the stupid cloud work on buildings? It could actually be used here. No, it doesn't | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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sudete
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Elentos
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darklycid
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Morbidius
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Penev
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On June 24 2020 19:18 Elentos wrote: Blink DTs should take off in late game PvZ, they're insane against Terran I'm sure they'd work against what Dark is doing this game. S T R I D E vs S H R O U D hmm, if shroud decloaked DT's it would actually do something | ||
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sudete
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:20 Morbidius wrote: I love how the stupid cloud is obscuring the fact that Dark is getting outmuscled by a foreigner toss. This makes perfect sense actually when you consider the fact that Dark had huge issues against Showtime 2 years in a row while smashing any Korean Toss. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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darklycid
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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Durnuu
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On June 24 2020 19:23 Elentos wrote: This makes perfect sense actually when you consider the fact that Dark had huge issues against Showtime 2 years in a row while smashing any Korean Toss. korean protoss lul | ||
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Z3nith
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sudete
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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Penev
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On June 24 2020 19:25 v1p3r52 wrote: wow some bad unit controll and rally by astrea there dam, could of had it, could of had hive too "could of" you did it again.. twice :o | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:25 Z3nith wrote: That was the first winnable late game PvZ in ages. I have never seen someone holding half the map with 10k bank collapsing so fast. | ||
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Wildmoon
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darklycid
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Z3nith
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On June 24 2020 19:26 Morbidius wrote: I have never seen someone holding half the map with 10k bank collapsing so fast. Just some unfortunate mis-micros. Particularly that voidray rally. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Morbidius
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darklycid
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On June 24 2020 19:27 Z3nith wrote: Just some unfortunate mis-micros. Particularly that voidray rally. Don't think the void ray rally changed much. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
 No way Impact is going to win against this Astrea today | ||
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Elentos
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Tyrhanius
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:25 Z3nith wrote: That was the first winnable late game PvZ in ages. Astrea was beating korean zerg infestor BL in 2019 (online tournaments) his lategame his is his strongest point. he couldnt execute today though and it was against Dark lol | ||
TheOneAboveU
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:28 dbRic1203 wrote: That was amazing game No way Impact is going to win against this Astrea today Unless he's been replaced by aliens Impact will not play a game anything like that though. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:28 darklycid wrote: Don't think the void ray rally changed much. I'm pointing to that as the most obvious example. Astrea made quite a few mistakes which I don't think a top Protoss would have in the same situation. However, considering he is a very raw talent going up against one of the two best Zergs in the world that was still very impressive. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:27 Teoita wrote: Honestly, the void ray rally was the tipping point but I don't know that it would have made much of a difference. By that point their banks had already gone from Astrea having twice as much, to Dark being maxed while Astrea had ~150 supply. The tipping point was when Dark pounced on that stronghold Astrea was building. | ||
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darklycid
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NoS-Craig
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:29 TheOneAboveU wrote: Dark won as soon as he stopped trying to make M I C R O B I A L S H R O U D happen. I feel like there's a lesson here. Does the spore crawler got affected by M I C R O B I A L S H R O U D too? I dont think so. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:30 darklycid wrote: The shrouds were just there to make the carriers disengage i don't think he wanted to make it happen. Yeah, I get what he was trying to do with it.  It's probably the most useful way to cast it. It's never going to work for Hydras vs. Storm. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:32 swarminfestor wrote: Does the spore crawler got affected by M I C R O B I A L S H R O U D too? No, it's a shit spell. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Hahahahaha wait what? I thought that worked? LOL Covering Spores is literally the only situation where that spell is not useless as fuck. Damn... :D | ||
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Teoita
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darklycid
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:33 TheOneAboveU wrote: Hahahahaha wait what? I thought that worked? LOL Covering Spores is literally the only situation where that spell is not useless as fuck. Damn... :D Yeah no shroud is the worst spell in the game. | ||
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Elentos
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darklycid
3460 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:35 Elentos wrote: Yeah no shroud is the worst spell in the game. Zerg can compensate for it tho, i don't wanna imagine it being good and what it would mean for lategame | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:36 Elentos wrote: I think I spotted No Rugrats, probably giving free advice on how to beat Impact. Has he eaten that shoe yet? | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
just please not adept printer every game | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:36 darklycid wrote: Zerg can compensate for it tho, i don't wanna imagine it being good and what it would mean for lategame Yeah no I'm not sad the infestor is less powerful now I still think blink DTs should become a thing in late game PvZ, they're insanely frustrating as Terran | ||
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Penev
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:35 Elentos wrote: Yeah no shroud is the worst spell in the game. Time Warp or whatever the | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
What could Astrea done differently with such a bank? Should he have built less carriers and gradually have transitioned to some other composition? | ||
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Penev
28475 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:38 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Time Warp or whatever the it draws boobs on the map tho | ||
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darklycid
3460 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:38 Elentos wrote: Yeah no I'm not sad the infestor is less powerful now I still think blink DTs should become a thing in late game PvZ, they're insanely frustrating as Terran Hmm maybe for tech sniping, a zerg in the lategame can easily turtle from base to base Dark was on 4 bases for the longest time in this game, so you wont really have exposed bases that are important to make the investment worth i think. Edit: he was actually on 5 as the map layout allowed the 4th and 5th being defended pretty simultaneously. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:40 darklycid wrote: Hmm maybe for tech sniping, a zerg in the lategame can easily turtle from base to base Dark was on 4 bases for the longest time in this game, so you wont really have exposed bases that are important to make the investment worth i think. Well you'd think planetaries with turrets and units aren't exposed but guess what? Get S T R I D E D | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:39 RKC wrote: Cool game. Despite Astrea's bigger bank, the game seemed quite stalemated for long periods. The carrier ball can't break through the forest of spores and spellcasters. The multi-prong harass was a good play, but was still countered well by Dark. One engage, both teams lose their army, and then it's back to square one - who builds the better 200 composition. The game momentum will the tilt by then and Astrea would've likely lost too many bases to make full use of the bank. What could Astrea done differently with such a bank? Should he have built less carriers and gradually have transitioned to some other composition? He shouldve went for a more conventional skytoss deathball imo. Astrea was basically mass carriers and high templar support, with zealot runby's that don't do anything against turtle zerg tbh. Needed mother ship, carriers, void rays, archons, and high templars imo. | ||
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darklycid
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On June 24 2020 19:41 Elentos wrote: Well you'd think planetaries with turrets and units aren't exposed but guess what? Get S T R I D E D Yeah but Zerg most of the time has a batillion spores and the army right next to the important bases (or lurkers) :D a planetary is nothing against that. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:43 darklycid wrote: Yeah but Zerg most of the time has a batillion spores and the army right next to the important bases (or lurkers) :D a planetary is nothing against that. Yeah it's true Terran defensive options are shit when you're spreading out past 4 bases. Offense is the only defense | ||
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RKC
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:47 darklycid wrote: Scouts all the phoenixes in main -> flies in with the drop anyways I personally liked the 1 muta scouting like it was a hallucination. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:48 NoS-Craig wrote: Killed his battery by accident lol. Sacrificed his battery to make the perfect defence eh | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:47 royalroadweed wrote: Lifted banelings should do splash damage to air units when they die. They still do ground damage tho that's actually scary. Very clean game from Stats I gotta say. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:49 Elentos wrote: They still do ground damage tho that's actually scary. Very clean game from Stats I gotta say. Wait, so a lifted baneling does splash damage to ground units when they die? | ||
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darklycid
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:50 royalroadweed wrote: Wait, so a lifted baneling does splash damage to ground units when they die? Yes, it can still wipe out a mineral line that way. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 19:50 darklycid wrote: Nice multiprongs by stats (also perfect defense vs every bane runby). This is the patented Zest-3-sided-pre-BL-assault | ||
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RKC
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Elentos
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Andi_Goldberger
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NoS-Craig
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darklycid
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On June 24 2020 19:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this series gives me hope for astrea TO lose in the deciders match vs stats or dark? | ||
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sudete
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this series gives me hope for astrea Oh yeah he can absolutely take 3rd in the group. He has to be careful about Impact's shenanigans. | ||
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Penev
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:58 darklycid wrote: TO lose in the deciders match vs stats or dark? Im rooting for stats normally but PvP is PvP and its astreas best MU - a 2-1 PvP victory vs stats isnt that improbable :D | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 24 2020 19:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote: this series gives me hope for astrea That he might win a series? Even if Astrea beats Impact, he's not gonna get by Stats barring some serious PvP shenanigans, and there's a good chance that Stats just rolls Dark and Astrea has to face him again. | ||
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darklycid
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On June 24 2020 19:59 Andi_Goldberger wrote: Im roooting for stats normally but PvP is PvP and its astreas best MU - a 2-1 PvP victory vs stats isnt that improbable :D Even with PvP being PvP Stats has Like an 80% PvP winrate over His Last 50 matches, Not rly a believer | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 20:02 darklycid wrote: Even with PvP being PvP Stats has Like an 80% PvP winrate over His Last 50 matches, Not rly a believer And also eliminating Stats is treason and should never be supported. | ||
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Z3nith
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On June 24 2020 20:03 Elentos wrote: And also eliminating Stats is treason and should never be supported. This | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:09 Elentos wrote: I'm disappointed they removed Obsidian after like 4 games. I remember back in 2015 they basically willed Iron Fortress into the ladder map pool. Why would you want that again? Obsidian was so stupid. NONE of the games played on it were any good. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 20:10 Vindicare605 wrote: 28-28 in LOTV, damn i never realized it was that close. Funnily enough they never met in Code S before. They played each other in basically every other big event. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 20:10 Vindicare605 wrote: Why would you want that again? Obsidian was so stupid. NONE of the games played on it were any good. Stats vs TY on Obsidian was one of the best games of the last season. Most games on most maps are bad. Also this is allegedly the #TerranPatch so a map where historically Terran has lost 100 % of games is a good call | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:13 Elentos wrote: Also this is allegedly the #TerranPatch so a map where historically Terran has lost 100 % of games is a good call So we're ASL now? | ||
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darklycid
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Vindicare605
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:16 darklycid wrote: Excuse me Tasteless there is only one true president of protoss. Presidents have term limits. | ||
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Penev
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Andi_Goldberger
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:11 Elentos wrote: Funnily enough they never met in Code S before. They played each other in basically every other big event. That's impossible omg. This is like the most classic PvZ matchup in SC2. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:20 Morbidius wrote: That's impossible omg. This is like the most classic PvZ matchup in SC2. I feel like Stats vs Serral is more of a classic, they didnt meet as often but it was always in finals or semifinals | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:21 Andi_Goldberger wrote: I feel like Stats vs Serral is more of a classic, they didnt meet as often but it was always in finals or semifinals Too few encounters and not nearly as back and forth as this one. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On June 24 2020 20:22 Argonauta wrote: This kinda shown how 2 inmortals and a warp prism is much much better than 3 inmortals. Transports are force multipliers, its been that way since Brood War. Perfect example? Reavers and Shuttles. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 24 2020 20:21 Andi_Goldberger wrote: I feel like Stats vs Serral is more of a classic, they didnt meet as often but it was always in finals or semifinals Stats and Dark have met in 3 Korean finals and 2 Katowice semis. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On June 24 2020 20:23 Andi_Goldberger wrote: the broodlords were just a ruse to make him build less immortals :D When Zerg can instantly remax like they can, those are ruses that definitely work. | ||
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pvsnp
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Or not. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
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run from it. dread it. adept printer is still coming for you | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
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AzAlexZ
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On June 24 2020 20:28 Z3nith wrote: This is the kind of build that would make you quit ladder for a month yeah if you're Dark | ||
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Z3nith
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You're goddam right now | ||
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IndyO
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swarminfestor
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Congrats Stats for the amazing comeback. | ||
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then again I really struggle to see a world where we don't end up with Dark-Stats now | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:45 sudete wrote: We are lucky to have Tasteless. With him around, every game is the best game ever. Also the hardest or trickiest game he had to cast for a while! | ||
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Dark 1st place. As it should be. | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:46 Vindicare605 wrote: So much disrespect for Dark in this thread tonight. Where you all at now!?! Dark 1st place. As it should be. Preach it! | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:46 Vindicare605 wrote: So much disrespect for Dark in this thread tonight. Where you all at now!?! Dark 1st place. As it should be. I dare say nobody in the thread "disrespected" Dark more than you On June 24 2020 20:00 Vindicare605 wrote: there's a good chance that Stats just rolls Dark and Astrea has to face him again. | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:53 Elentos wrote: I dare say nobody in the thread "disrespected" Dark more than you You know I thought about editing that to a "fair" chance. Synonyms, although one carries less weight. I stand by what I said. Stats did have a good chance at rolling Dark, it was an even series anything could have happened. | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: g2 was hilarious hahahaha It's always twice as fun to see a comeback like that as well when the casters have already given up on the game. | ||
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TY = big brain Terran ?? = big brain Protoss sOs in a slump. Stats showed some cunning plays, but Zest is still the undisputed clown prince of Protoss right now. | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:57 Elentos wrote: It's always twice as fun to see a comeback like that as well when the casters have already given up on the game. ha ha indeed | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:57 [PkF] Wire wrote: g2 was really hard to assess. At first it seemed Stats would hold kinda easily, then Dark sort of broke through and the game looked over again but the other way ; honestly I think if Dark takes his gasses earlier he holds the counter attack, right ? I'm honestly surprised that Dark could've hold the hatch so long and break the gateway and shield batteries. He was on lower supply, and had to pump out half of the lings across the map. Maybe another spine could've held the counter-push? | ||
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Time to watch Astrea wreck Impact ^^ | ||
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On June 24 2020 20:59 RKC wrote: I'm honestly surprised that Dark could've hold the hatch so long and break the gateway and shield batteries. yeah same at the beginning it looked like such a ridiculous attempt and somehow the hatch lives and everything falls. I guess we tend to forget that batteries can actually run out of energy | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:01 Vindicare605 wrote: Yea Astrea definitely saved his good builds for Impact. had we seen this strat before ? It's actually pretty smart | ||
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basically turned this map into a larger zen with 3 bases :D | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: had we seen this strat before ? It's actually pretty smart I mean I've probably seen something similar off of a hatch block/cancel but never like this. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:02 darklycid wrote: Astrea rly is the greediest mofo in this group :D Given that everyone expects him to get rolled, he really has nothing to lose lol | ||
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astrea- they help him in his wall one of these is a code S player :thinking: | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:09 darklycid wrote: I'm very negatively impressed by impacts plays. let's be fair Astrea's preparation for the map was on point | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: let's be fair Astrea's preparation for the map was on point Yeah but then impact went from, losing workers to a prism he saw coming by a mile, failing his sh rally, in general pretty bad sh usage (also losing osme of them randomly to zealots) etc. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:12 Penev wrote: the nydus entry point is bleeding heavily hemorrhaging* | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:13 Elentos wrote: Alright come on Impact either commit to the turtle or commit to the base trade don't half-ass both. on point. Looked like he was trying to do both at once. Needless to say he failed terribly. | ||
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Teamhouse Environment | ||
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Would bring geatly more audience than people needing to come to this thread for the link. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:15 sudete wrote: Hoping for a game 3 so that we can see what both players do when their backs are against the wall well I don't really agree, at this point Impact has looked like the inferior player in the group by some margin so I'd rather have Astrea 2-0ing and see what he has in store for Stats | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:16 Yozora wrote: Can we get Youtube links to the sidebar where the tournament is live please? Would bring geatly more audience than people needing to come to this thread for the link. the Youtube link is in the sidebar ("Live Events") | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:19 JTCC wrote: Does this have a chance of working? I'd say no. Feel free to laugh at me when Impact wins | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'd say no. Feel free to laugh at me when Impact wins looks like I'm gonna get laughed at. Or am I ? | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:21 [PkF] Wire wrote: well he made that work. But I'm not convinced it should have. Well he had 6 batteries at the 3rd and 0 done at the natural and Impact ignored the 3rd for the longest time | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:22 AzAlexZ wrote: i feel like a few stasis wards may have saved Astrea there On June 24 2020 21:22 Elentos wrote: Well he had 6 batteries at the 3rd and 0 done at the natural and Impact ignored the 3rd for the longest time I think both points kinda explain everything | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:21 [PkF] Wire wrote: well he made that work. But I'm not convinced it should have. It was an interesting gambit to throw into a BOx series and try to catch your opponent off guard. Could Astrea have come back? he was level on bases and could have made up the worker difference. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:24 JTCC wrote: It was an interesting gambit to throw into a BOx series and try to catch your opponent off guard. Could Astrea have come back? he was level on bases and could have made up the worker difference. zerg would have just droned for a bit and overwhelmed with ravager bane | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:24 [PkF] Wire wrote: the gold, of course. Astrea should have prepared against that. Bly would have taken Astrea's gold | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:25 Andi_Goldberger wrote: zerg would have just droned for a bit and overwhelmed with ravager bane When the game ended Impact had 60 drones already, comeback potential is .01% basically On June 24 2020 21:24 RKC wrote: Is Max Angel a real name or some new-gen Marvel superhero I've not heard about? It's Astrea's name | ||
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Then ling flood into muta. It's a pity we don't see more bly vs koreans | ||
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ha ha definitely I'm actually surprised we don't see those golds taken from the lower side more often like it happened quite a lot on Terraform | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: ha ha definitely I'm actually surprised we don't see those golds taken from the lower side more often like it happened quite a lot on Terraform Well I think that's only really an option for Terran since the other races need the gas more. But in my mind's eye I can see an sOs bullshit build with a hidden nexus on the other side of his opponent's gold that he uses for a chargelot all-in | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:28 Elentos wrote: Well I think that's only really an option for Terran since the other races need the gas more. But in my mind's eye I can see an sOs bullshit build with a hidden nexus on the other side of his opponent's gold that he uses for a chargelot all-in oooooooh yes that's something that sounds like sOs ^^ | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:29 [PkF] Wire wrote: honestly with everyone shitting on Impact (and I'm one of the pack) if he kinda gave up on the first series vs Stats and saved his prep when he saw it was not going his way and just got caught unprepared by Astrea in the first game but 1) wins in the end vs Astrea 2) manages to make some aggressive play get through vs Stats in a rematch, we'll look a bit dumb ^^ Maybe but it's not just his prep he just looks off in general like little micro stuff just not happening. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:30 darklycid wrote: Maybe but it's not just his prep he just looks off in general like little micro stuff just not happening. yeah I agree he does not look on point so far. Someone said in the thread he was not practicing too much right now, I wonder how true this is but I can believe it | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:29 [PkF] Wire wrote: honestly with everyone shitting on Impact (and I'm one of the pack) if he kinda gave up on the first series vs Stats and saved his prep when he saw it was not going his way and just got caught unprepared by Astrea in the first game but 1) wins in the end vs Astrea 2) manages to make some aggressive play get through vs Stats in a rematch, we'll look a bit dumb ^^ Astrea is going to rekt this roach ravanger army in secs and win an straight up game. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:31 [PkF] Wire wrote: yeah I agree he does not look on point so far. Someone said in the thread he was not practicing too much right now, I wonder how true this is but I can believe it I mean to be fair Impact rarely ever blows anyone away with the way his play looks | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:33 Andi_Goldberger wrote: impacts eco is absolute garbage, I think astrea has this I'm not sure Astrea has enough army | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:35 [PkF] Wire wrote: rematch curse anyone ? Hopefully not. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:35 [PkF] Wire wrote: rematch curse anyone ? sssshhh D: not too worried tho | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: the Youtube link is in the sidebar ("Live Events") Oh wow I'm truly blind, thank you. | ||
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not too worried either, but hey if some stupid all-in gets through in g1 we'll all be "well..." | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:37 -YoricK- wrote: Last season Impact knocks out DRG preventing the more interesting Cure vs DRG matchup to get stomped by Cure again and now he knocks out Astrea so we get to watch Stats roll the floor with him again hard to blame the guy for trying his best and winning . Still, hard not to agree... | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:50 [PkF] Wire wrote: how can such a common build work that well two times... No ling speed, no gas for roaches... I have no idea what this was | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:51 Nakajin wrote: Wait I looked away for a sec, what happened? Impact couldn't deal with the adepts like at all and straight up lost | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:51 Elentos wrote: No ling speed, no gas for roaches... I have no idea what this was yeah I don't understand what Impact was going for at all either. Sandbagging to get Stats in an overconfident state is my most optimistic hypothesis | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:51 Nakajin wrote: Wait I looked away for a sec, what happened? No units lost to some units | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:51 sudete wrote: Astrea probably wishes he did one of those gladept builds instead they arent exactly easy to pull off successfully vs korean/high level zergs im a big astrea fan but i dont think he has the mechanics | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:52 BerserkSword wrote: they arent exactly easy to pull off successfully vs korean/high level zergs im a big astrea fan but i dont think he has the mechanics Nor the intimidation factor to make Impact cut corners against him. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:52 BerserkSword wrote: they arent exactly easy to pull off successfully vs korean/high level zergs im a big astrea fan but i dont think he has the mechanics Mechanics or not if Impact plays like that Astrea can win with a glaive build for sure. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:53 Elentos wrote: Mechanics or not if Impact plays like that Astrea can win with a glaive build for sure. I agree with previous post though, Impact was probably kinda all-inning by trying to get away with the greediest thing possible and would not have gone for such a gamble vs Astrea | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:54 [PkF] Wire wrote: I agree with previous post though, Impact was probably kinda all-inning by trying to get away with the greediest thing possible and would not have gone for such a gamble vs Astrea I mean it's Impact he never plays normal games. You'll never know what sort of thing he's gonna try. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:55 Elentos wrote: I mean it's Impact he never plays normal games. You'll never know what sort of thing he's gonna try. indeed. Annoying kind of player ^^ | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:53 Morbidius wrote: Nor the intimidation factor to make Impact cut corners against him. that's another great point On June 24 2020 21:53 Elentos wrote: Mechanics or not if Impact plays like that Astrea can win with a glaive build for sure. I play terran so pvz is far from my forte, but as I understand if you can't execute a high level timing push after the glave build, it dosnt really matter how many drones you kill (at the highest level) | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:58 [PkF] Wire wrote: honestly it looked like such a mismatch you really want to say Impact beating Astrea was a fluke Yeah I'm pretty sure Stats was not prepared to win so easily. | ||
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On June 24 2020 21:58 [PkF] Wire wrote: honestly it looked like such a mismatch you really want to say Impact beating Astrea was a fluke come on dude lol we are talking about the greatest protoss in LotV vs a foreigner journeyman. stats is a BW trained, kespa trained, Korean ace. No offense to astrea but he doesnt measure up at all | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:00 Penev wrote: 2/2 bets, like everyone else I forgot to bet T.T | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:00 BerserkSword wrote: come on dude lol we are talking about the greatest protoss in LotV vs a foreigner journeyman. stats is a BW trained, kespa trained, Korean ace. No offense to astrea but he doesnt measure up at all was talking about Impact vs Astrea, I don't think you got what I meant I never said Astrea would have beaten Stats, but we would have gotten a better series for sure (Astrea has pretty solid pvp and his preparation was very good today so I could even picture a world where he gets through, even if I would definitely not have bet on it) | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:01 [PkF] Wire wrote: was talking about Impact vs Astrea, I don't think you got what I meant I never said Astrea would have beaten Stats, but we would have gotten a better series for sure I am very drunk but I think I understand what you sad. Stats made Impact look silly because he is a beast. Impact is a very talented player too. He is easily the favorite against Astrea imo. | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:02 BerserkSword wrote: I am very drunk but I think I understand what you sad. Stats made Impact look silly because he is a beast. Impact is a very talented player too. He is easily the favorite against Astrea imo. I have to agree Stats looked pretty solid today. He didn't look like the beast he has the potential to be lately but today was different. So maybe you're right and he just crushed because he was playing on such a high level Still the way those gladept builds got through really doesn't look right to me lol | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:02 BerserkSword wrote: I am very drunk but I think I understand what you sad. Stats made Impact look silly because he is a beast. Impact is a very talented player too. He is easily the favorite against Astrea imo. Just want to add on that Impact's match record against Astrea is 8-1 (17-8 in map score). Preparation format aside, he is certainly the favourite against Astrea. | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:04 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to agree Stats looked pretty solid today. He didn't look like the beast he has the potential to be lately but today was different. So maybe you're right and he just crushed because he was playing on such a high level I agree - he didnt look like his peak form. In his peak form I think he wouldve beaten dark. His peak PvZ is probably GOAT in LotV imo. But even his non peak can be ridiculous in PvZ | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:04 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to agree Stats looked pretty solid today. He didn't look like the beast he has the potential to be lately but today was different. So maybe you're right and he just crushed because he was playing on such a high level Still the way those gladept builds got through really doesn't look right to me lol Honestly I think with a few tweaks Stats could very well have beaten Dark there which is a very good sign. | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:04 sudete wrote: Just want to add on that Impact's match record against Astrea is 8-1 (17-8 in map score). Preparation format aside, he is certainly the favourite against Astrea. damn that's quite the record lol. | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:22 TentativePanda wrote: How were the Dark games? Very good. | ||
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If you don't have much time Game 1 of Astrea vs Dark and Game 2 of Stats vs Dark were two incredibly entertaining games albeit for very different reasons. | ||
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On June 24 2020 22:28 Z3nith wrote: If you don't have much time Game 1 of Astrea vs Dark and Game 2 of Stats vs Dark were two incredibly entertaining games albeit for very different reasons. I didn't realize it when I first read your post but I'm actually pretty sure you meant g2 of Dark - Astrea. g1 was rather mundane, the other one was + Show Spoiler + a supreme lategame entertaining fight. | ||
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