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Poll: uThermal vs TrapTeap Wins (13) 72% uThermal Wins (5) 28% 18 total votes Your vote: uThermal vs Trap (Vote): uThermal Wins (Vote): Teap Wins
Poll: Elazer vs soOsoO Wins (10) 56% Elazer Wins (8) 44% 18 total votes Your vote: Elazer vs soO (Vote): Elazer Wins (Vote): soO Wins
Poll: INnoVation vs soOsoO Wins (10) 56% INnoVation Wins (8) 44% 18 total votes Your vote: INnoVation vs soO (Vote): INnoVation Wins (Vote): soO Wins
Poll: TY vs ZestTY Wins (9) 64% Zest Wins (5) 36% 14 total votes Your vote: TY vs Zest (Vote): TY Wins (Vote): Zest Wins
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Good old Teap And also soO playing in two matches lel
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Will the top six Korean players be invited to the summers, or is it another selection method ? If it's the top six, it's the last chance to get a better seed for INno and Zest.
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Predictions: 1. TY 2. Trap 3. Elazer 4. Inno
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is this a bit of nerd flirting going on stream right now?
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I love Drogo.
E: Not sure if having the only KR vs KR match played at 2 AM KST is smart because it will suck for both or silly.
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Thermy building a base outside of Trap's natural
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Trap, PvT expert
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T E R R A N B U I L D I N G S
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eh thermy can probably only win by going strategies like this
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On May 31 2020 22:19 sneakyfox wrote:T E R R A N B U I L D I N G S
First we had Terran workers, now Terran buildings?
Have Terrans ever considered that demilitarisation might make them unstoppable?
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I think Trap could have held but he just lost some units he couldn't afford to somewhat randomly. A stalker here, immortal there, 2 prisms.
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Has uthermal played standard this entire tournament? I only recall his TvPs and he used weird builds and timings in every one.
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On May 31 2020 22:19 AzAlexZ wrote: eh thermy can probably only win by going strategies like this
If Trap continues playing like that, thermy could beat him in macro as well. I guess Trap will step up his game, tho.
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On May 31 2020 22:21 royalroadweed wrote: Has uthermal played standard this entire tournament? I only recall his TvPs and he used weird builds and timings in every one. I don't think this is the reason, but maybe he's not confident going standard so he goes wonky builds
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On May 31 2020 22:21 royalroadweed wrote: Has uthermal played standard this entire tournament? I only recall his TvPs and he used weird builds and timings in every one. His TvZ and TvT were pretty standard. As far as uThermal does standard anyway.
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On May 31 2020 22:20 Fanatic-Templar wrote:First we had Terran workers, now Terran buildings? Have Terrans ever considered that demilitarisation might make them unstoppable?
I mean it's a great idea but these terrans are always ruled by warmongering dictators so we'll probably never know.
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That was so satisfying to watch Get out you cheesy terran
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I'm juggling work while watching. The plan is to switch to the stream after 3-5 minutes into the game.
So far, I've not managed to catch a single action of the games. I should readjust my timing.
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On May 31 2020 22:31 RKC wrote: I'm juggling work while watching. The plan is to switch to the stream after 3-5 minutes into the game.
So far, I've not managed to catch a single action of the games. I should readjust my timing. Might work for the other series but uThermal has no interest in your 5+ minute games.
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lol Trap is having none of this cheese from uthermal
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On May 31 2020 22:38 Fuell wrote: Silver league tier game touche
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Game hit the 10 minute mark. One player happily floating below 20 workers. Fun stuff.
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That medivac bait was awesome
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Strange decision from Trap to split his army like that
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maru who? Inno who? uThermal!
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On May 31 2020 22:51 Zetter wrote: That medivac bait was awesome yeah really smart move and good job on the observers to point it out, that was definitely cool
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Thanks drogo for pointed that move out. I feel like with other casters will have done unappreciated
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On May 31 2020 22:53 Argonauta wrote: Thanks drogo for pointed that move out. I feel like with other casters will have done unappreciated
I was watching the french stream, can someone tell me what this is about?
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Very cool move by uThermal but it really felt like Trap had a blind BO win, and just got the worst fight ever somehow
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On May 31 2020 22:54 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 22:53 Argonauta wrote: Thanks drogo for pointed that move out. I feel like with other casters will have done unappreciated I was watching the french stream, can someone tell me what this is about? uThermal intentionally let the obs in his base and faked a two medivacs 16 marines drop just under the obs, only to change direction and go for a scv pull while the stalkers were looking for the medivacs (whereas otherwise they'd have picked up units while the all-in was on its way), really cool
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thermy sent two medivacs from his main towards the natural, Traps overserver saw it leaving and sent his stalker on the map to look of them. But thermy unloaded in his natural and started marching over the map for the game winning push.
With the medivac bait he prevented the stalker buying time and picking off some marines in the middle of the map.
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that was definitely a disgusting series from thermy ^^
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can uThermal channel his inner Mvp ?
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gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran
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I feel like these standard proxy rax are really bad against toss.
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On May 31 2020 22:41 RKC wrote: Game hit the 10 minute mark. One player happily floating below 20 workers. Fun stuff.
And now he's happily floating below 10 workers in G5
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People give twitch chat a lot of crap when they shit like just scout after pylon for proxies, but Trap did this and it paid off in an important game. I feel like these inefficient plays are way more viable in tournament play than it's often considered, especially in preparation matches.
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On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran
Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw
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On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw
It's almost as though he is referring to what happened in game 5, hence stomped "this" instead of stomped Uthermal.
But I dunno. Wauw!
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On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw
Well last game UT proxy got shutdown, pretty that was what he meant
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This tourney is really making people mad so far damn.
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Will TY-Zest be played right after Inno-Reynor or will it be at 19h no matter what?
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Hey if soO win this he got a ZvP, vs Trap, it's been a while since his last final!
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On May 31 2020 23:04 Nakajin wrote: Hey if soO win this he got a ZvP, vs Trap, it's been a while since his last final! Now remember who eliminated soO from this season of GSL.
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Rotti can't kid us, we know he doesn't enjoy games like those especially when it ends with a proxy 3 rax getting absoltuely destroyed
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I wonder if you can actually hold that all in if you build the pylon on the low ground on Zen. Seemed to be a good read from Trap who was doing low ground buildings on maps where it's less common than Zen.
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On May 31 2020 23:05 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:04 Nakajin wrote: Hey if soO win this he got a ZvP, vs Trap, it's been a while since his last final! Now remember who eliminated soO from this season of GSL. This is the TSL soO, that can beat InnoVation!
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On May 31 2020 22:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 22:54 Nebuchad wrote:On May 31 2020 22:53 Argonauta wrote: Thanks drogo for pointed that move out. I feel like with other casters will have done unappreciated I was watching the french stream, can someone tell me what this is about? uThermal intentionally let the obs in his base and faked a two medivacs 16 marines drop just under the obs, only to change direction and go for a scv pull while the stalkers were looking for the medivacs (whereas otherwise they'd have picked up units while the all-in was on its way), really cool
I see, thanks. Nice
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2019 Katowice was the last time soO impressed anyone until he beat Inno in this TSL too.
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On May 31 2020 23:03 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw It's almost as though he is referring to what happened in game 5, hence stomped "this" instead of stomped Uthermal. But I dunno. Wauw!
On May 31 2020 23:03 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw Well last game UT proxy got shutdown, pretty that was what he meant at least we have some smart people in this thread. get with the program sneakyfox
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On May 31 2020 23:17 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:03 sudete wrote:On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw It's almost as though he is referring to what happened in game 5, hence stomped "this" instead of stomped Uthermal. But I dunno. Wauw! Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:03 Nakajin wrote:On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw Well last game UT proxy got shutdown, pretty that was what he meant at least we have some smart people in this thread. get with the program sneakyfox Be nice you guys come on.
Superior EU ZvZ down 0-1
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On May 31 2020 23:19 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:17 AzAlexZ wrote:On May 31 2020 23:03 sudete wrote:On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw It's almost as though he is referring to what happened in game 5, hence stomped "this" instead of stomped Uthermal. But I dunno. Wauw! On May 31 2020 23:03 Nakajin wrote:On May 31 2020 23:02 sneakyfox wrote:On May 31 2020 22:58 AzAlexZ wrote: gg lol Trap stomped this so hard, get outta here you cheesy terran Yea this narrow, mistake ridden 3-2 victory was such a stomp, wauw Well last game UT proxy got shutdown, pretty that was what he meant at least we have some smart people in this thread. get with the program sneakyfox Be nice you guys come on. + Show Spoiler +fair point but I wasn't the one who tried to call someone else out while not understanding what they were saying with that said I believe I owe sneakyfox an apology sorry about that comment
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I will be sorely disappointed if we don't see at least 1 game of ultra into lose or 10 brood lords getting crushed by spore crawlers
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On May 31 2020 23:21 sudete wrote:I will be sorely disappointed if we don't see at least 1 game of ultra into lose or 10 brood lords getting crushed by spore crawlers Well if there's a map for a macro game it would've been this one right?
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On May 31 2020 23:04 sneakyfox wrote: Will TY-Zest be played right after Inno-Reynor or will it be at 19h no matter what?
Yesterday (when almost all games were 3-0 and so short) they played all games one after another, instead of waiting until the scheduled time.
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On May 31 2020 23:22 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:04 sneakyfox wrote: Will TY-Zest be played right after Inno-Reynor or will it be at 19h no matter what? Yesterday (when almost all games were 3-0 and so short) they played all games one after another, instead of waiting until the scheduled time. Well there was a Free-for-All intermission between the 3rd and the final series. So I don't think the time for TY-Zest is likely to move that much.
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I feel like infestation pit would have surely been a better choice than a way way later spire?
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someone tell ZG zerg caparace is not the same as zerg air caparace
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If soO had just waited until max, wouldn't equal large numbers of corruptors beat mutas 1 to 1? Even if we take the +2 flyer attack advantage and the bounce attack into account
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On May 31 2020 23:26 Elentos wrote: I feel like infestation pit would have surely been a better choice than a way way later spire?
Yeah it makes literally zero sense but it's soO so he probably has no idea how to actually play the infestor turtle style. He probably should've tried anyway but tbf he was dead so..may as well do something random
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On May 31 2020 23:31 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:26 Elentos wrote: I feel like infestation pit would have surely been a better choice than a way way later spire? Yeah it makes literally zero sense but it's soO so he probably has no idea how to actually play the infestor turtle style. He probably should've tried anyway but tbf he was dead so..may as well do something random Well I mean I get it to some extent, soO doesn't play turtle styles. He's an aggressive player at heart.
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zerg player trying to wall :D
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Walling is important my dudes
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It's gonna work next time.
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That's got to be the worst play 2020. Now let's hope it doesn't end 3-2 fucking up everyone's predictions againt TLO.
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Oh wow a full wall up will be sick? But cant soO just come back droning after that much expenses?
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lol apparently he did it fine in practice but messed it up because the cancel was too early so he lost the creep.
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On May 31 2020 23:35 Argonauta wrote: Oh wow a full wall up will be sick? But cant soO just come back droning after that much expenses?
Nah, you cancel everything once your pool is done I think
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On May 31 2020 23:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: lol apparently he did it fine in practice but messed it up because the cancel was too early so he lost the creep. So sad, you wanna show your cool new strat to everyone, but then you mess up and look like a clown
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On May 31 2020 23:37 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: lol apparently he did it fine in practice but messed it up because the cancel was too early so he lost the creep. So sad, you wanna show your cool new strat to everyone, but then you mess up and look like a clown
Honestly so sad cos they actually practiced it so much
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On May 31 2020 23:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: lol apparently he did it fine in practice but messed it up because the cancel was too early so he lost the creep. Damn, wish I saw it in action...
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On May 31 2020 23:36 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 23:35 Argonauta wrote: Oh wow a full wall up will be sick? But cant soO just come back droning after that much expenses? Nah, you cancel everything once your pool is done I think
true true
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Nooo, my predictions
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Elazer currently 4-0 in a Bo5
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Went to the bathroom after last game and almost missed game 4 .
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TLO prediction is correct!
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On May 31 2020 23:40 Azzur wrote: TLO prediction is correct! To make up for how bad his Saturday prediction went.
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not so long ago i used to like ZvZ, if the top EU and/or KR zergs were involved. I really hate what it has become in the past few months
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We've had "closer games" today but the overall quality hasn't been great
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Lambo just demonstrated the full wall on his stream if anyone's interested. Looks really solid.
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Man, still a bit sore that I didn't see what Elazer planned for that 12 pool drone/spine rush in game3
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Man I haven't seen a 13/12 for a while.
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Hopefully innovation doesn't get rolled by reynor like yesterday
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On May 31 2020 23:49 Nakajin wrote: No more game sound? soO, the silent killer
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On May 31 2020 23:53 sudete wrote: Hopefully innovation doesn't get rolled by reynor like yesterday I think he's gonna do better today.
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Canada5565 Posts
Zombie Grub's commentary has improved a lot. Good combo with Rotterdam. Looking forward to good games today!
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Ok as big a fan as I am of most of the TSL music this is hideous
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Austria24413 Posts
Ok lads, I went true, true, false in predictions so I'm still alive. Wardi is 3-3 in predictions right now. Plsplsplsplsplsplsplspls
I need either Innovation vs Reynor 3-1, or TY 3-0 Zest. I think we all know which one I'd prefer
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Really surprised to see innovation at the underdog here
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Could it be? is this a normal macro game? in TSL5?
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On June 01 2020 00:05 ssg wrote: Really surprised to see innovation at the underdog here
He went from 100 to 0 within a day.
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On June 01 2020 00:07 Geo.Rion wrote: Could it be? is this a normal macro game? in TSL5? what kind of music do you play after one of those?
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Not really feeling it for inno. Which is a pity, because elazer vs reynor is going to be another zvz fest between two hyperaggressive zergs
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that was one of the most anticlimactic baneling drops i have seen since 2010
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On June 01 2020 00:25 Argonauta wrote: that bane drop was sad Well luckily the runby killed the entire 3rd mineral line and this game is over.
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Both the best baneling runby and the worst baneling drop ever
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Reynor is very impressive, gotta say
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really poor from inno not dealing correctly with the third harass
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Reynor's very aggressive, runby-reliant style reminds me quite a bit of Life at his peak, it's a Zerg style I enjoy a lot
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last map illumination was so bad,it was hard to see the units in play. Brighter maps are better for Sc2.
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On June 01 2020 00:30 Captain Peabody wrote: Reynor's very aggressive, runby-reliant style reminds me quite a bit of Life at his peak, it's a Zerg style I enjoy a lot
This game truly felt as the second comming of life
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On June 01 2020 00:30 Captain Peabody wrote: Reynor's very aggressive, runby-reliant style reminds me quite a bit of Life at his peak, it's a Zerg style I enjoy a lot
I'll second that.
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That Drone was sent really early
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cant win gsl? dont wanna win anyhting then - innovation
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I really dont see why you will morph hellions into hellbats if you dont have medvcas. So underwhelming
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odd game, I'm really not used to seeing engagements between these unit comps
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Another one for the win rate
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On June 01 2020 00:44 Argonauta wrote: I really dont see why you will morph hellions into hellbats if you dont have medvcas. So underwhelming You should see lings vs +2 blue flame hellbats
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One big line of lings into some blue flame hellions = gh
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The winrate of 2rax/3rax vs Zerg in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. I never see this strategy lose
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On June 01 2020 00:46 Zetter wrote: The winrate of 2rax/3rax vs Zerg in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. I never see this strategy lose log back to ur main acc TLO
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3 rax into 3 CC into double factory into mech is pretty creative though gotta say.
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On June 01 2020 00:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 00:44 Argonauta wrote: I really dont see why you will morph hellions into hellbats if you dont have medvcas. So underwhelming You should see lings vs +2 blue flame hellbats With +2 carapace you need +3 hellbats to one shot. Just go armor vs. mech
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INnovation with the 200iq
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2rax/3rax can win even when it's not being used
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is the Reynor special of chocking from 2-0 and advantage in game 3 back on the menu?
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On June 01 2020 00:51 Geo.Rion wrote: is the Reynor special of chocking from 2-0 and advantage in game 3 back on the menu? that series vs Neeb in WESG comes back to mind
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8 workers behind, and MULEs.
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This is looking pretty yikes.
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On June 01 2020 00:50 Captain Peabody wrote: Reynor is spooked
I mean, you've got to take those cheesy, no-skill Terrans seriously .
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Reynor desperately needs Scourge .
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Couldn't INno have killed the spire?
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he actually microed that well I think, though he might still just die
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On June 01 2020 00:50 AzAlexZ wrote: INnovation with the 200iq
It was so hillarious
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On June 01 2020 00:55 Nakajin wrote: Couldn't INno have killed the spire? INno too conservative with the Bcs I feel.
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those banelings saved him
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On June 01 2020 00:51 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 00:51 Geo.Rion wrote: is the Reynor special of chocking from 2-0 and advantage in game 3 back on the menu? that series vs Neeb in WESG comes back to mind
That was one of the most spectacular implosions we've seen in bo5. Of course, not as great as inno vs soulkey or [redacted] vs DRG at iron squid
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Corrosive Biled his own Ravager .
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Terran's ahead in bases too.
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whimsical innovation is the best version of innovation (or at least the most fun)
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well if Inno just doesn't micro I guess Reynor has a chance
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Mech and 102 workers. Are we sure this is not TY playing?
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Innovation on that Bezos money
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yeah Inno is just ludicrously rich, this game is over
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7-base Terran mech vs. 4-base Zerg.
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On June 01 2020 01:03 Fanatic-Templar wrote: 7-base Terran mech vs. 4-base Zerg.
Trying to make it 9-base to 5-base.
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inno needs to get the bunker upgrade, yes?
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Inno is trolling
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On June 01 2020 01:04 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:03 Fanatic-Templar wrote: 7-base Terran mech vs. 4-base Zerg. Trying to make it 9-base to 5-base.
9-base to 4-base now.
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that OC farm is massive holy shit
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Looks like bad design, what is this game?
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On June 01 2020 01:06 Poopi wrote: Looks like bad design, what is this game? he was super ahead the entire game lol
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lol this is why i am an innovation fan
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On June 01 2020 01:05 Captain Peabody wrote: inno needs to get the bunker upgrade, yes? It's combined with Building Armor nowadays so it's actually a good upgrade in late game.
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On June 01 2020 01:06 Poopi wrote: Looks like bad design, what is this game?
SimCity 2000™
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Reynor in danger of pulling off the foreigner special. 2-0 into 2-3 loss.
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I'm pretty sure Inno was doing his trademark smirk during the final minutes of the game.
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If this proxy wins as well, i think i'll quit watching TSL
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On June 01 2020 01:06 Poopi wrote: Looks like bad design, what is this game? bad design
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good game 5, this has been a really great series
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On June 01 2020 01:22 DBooN wrote: No 3|3 for Inno? He cut the upgrades to hit the maxed 2/2 timing, but it didn't work.
On June 01 2020 01:23 Captain Peabody wrote: good game 5, this has been a really great series Yeah this was a really good game. Very good recovery by INnoVation after the opening.
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terrans experiencing the full pvz death by mass banelings experience
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desperation widow mine switch!
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did zombiegrub just say archons?
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How did none of those mines even fire?!
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Reynor kinda needs to stop running offcreep I think?
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Chasing halfway across the map off creep every fight is not looking that good.
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yeah, that's a pretty wild reversal
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I love Inno. Such an inspiring player.
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it was smart for him to chase him back when he was being so pressured, since he got ahead it wasnt a good idea.
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Good lord ultras are trash
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Good lord how is he 70 supply down now
full foreigner?
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For a moment I was worried the 2rax wouldn't win in the end.
Also: Ultras into lose.
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Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno.
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Reynor just needs to get into a better late game comp
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why did they remove the burrow charge on ultras again? that would make so much sense against a mobile comp like this.
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Cyclones were literally designed to kite ultras so not the best idea from Reynor.
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The win rate of mech vs zerg in tournaments
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damn I hope Crank does a impromptu interview with INnoVation after
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WOW WHAT A GAME THIS WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST
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That was an amazing game. GFG indeed
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On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. I think it's ok when you are taking fights on creep (remember that he actually smashed that 2/2 200 timing and got his lead from there). The mistake here definitely was never teching to brood lords or vipers and just running off creep like you are some failed sayian fusion of Tefel and TRUE.
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Getting ultra when so many cyclones are out seem just weird.
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The reverse burrow burrow trap really did reynor in.
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Going mech was a great decision vs reynor's ling runby playstyle as blue-flame helions counter them well
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On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water.
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Staying on MLB so long maybe wasn't the right call. Amazing play by Inno in the end, though. Ultras also didn't help. But that game was on an insane level. Lots of trickery going on, lots of little skirmishes, runbys, etc.
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This was an amazing game and an amazing series!!!
also YAY Archon Showmatch!!!!!
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I think I would prefer seeing more mech in zvt. Bio seems so fragile and risky in comparison.
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On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water. might have been better to transition out of ultras later in the game
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WHO IS PLAYING ARCHON / 2v2 SHOWMATCH????????
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On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote: I am farmer everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it
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On June 01 2020 01:34 Calliope wrote: I think I would prefer seeing more mech in zvt. Bio seems so fragile and risky in comparison. Koreans say the exact opposite actually.
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Oh come on I got to watch all of Elazer-soO and missed that last INno-Reynor
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Adding like 20 widow mines to that army was a stroke of genius though. Absolutely the best thing he could do given his economy and Reynor's style.
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Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great.
User was warned for this post.
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On June 01 2020 01:32 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. I think it's ok when you are taking fights on creep (remember that he actually smashed that 2/2 200 timing and got his lead from there). The mistake here definitely was never teching to brood lords or vipers and just running off creep like you are some failed sayian fusion of Tefel and TRUE.
He didn't really manage to flank too and his creep didn't improve, he just didn't play well.
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On June 01 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:Oh come on I got to watch all of Elazer-soO and missed that last INno-Reynor So you saw inferior Korean ZvZ triumph, that sounds like a win to me.
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On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining
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On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote: Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great. Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks.
On June 01 2020 01:36 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote: I am farmer everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining I want Sandstorm and the Titanic cover on a recorder.
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Yeah, the mines were a great call. He had no economy, so they were the most cost efficient way to come back.
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On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water. But they suck vs thors too... Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2 Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well
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On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water. But they suck vs thors too... Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2 Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well Ultra/ling/bane is actually a really good army against hellion/thor. Not great against tank heavy armies obviously. But I've seen soO win a fair amount of games against mech with LBM into ultras cause the Terran went too thor heavy.
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On June 01 2020 01:37 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote: Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great. Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks. Not to mention the only reason the big mine switch worked was the extra synergy between the mine and cyclone-hellion. The former, you want to pick off bits and pieces (think how zergs fight bio mine), while the latter you want to just surround and YOLO.
Innovation added sophistication to his army and Reynor's sophistication (infestors) was mis-positioned, while he failed to tech further. You can't blame imbalance for a smart choice by innovation that Reynor misplayed against
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On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water. But they suck vs thors too... Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2 Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well
There are some in hots in order to break a mech contain when pdd duration was 180sec or sth. And stephano won with it.
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On June 01 2020 01:37 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote: Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great. Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks. Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:36 Penev wrote:On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote: I am farmer everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining I want Sandstorm and the Titanic cover on a recorder. how about russian boy bands?
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On June 01 2020 01:42 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:37 Ej_ wrote:On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote: Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great. Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks. On June 01 2020 01:36 Penev wrote:On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote: I am farmer everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining I want Sandstorm and the Titanic cover on a recorder. how about russian boy bands? The dreams...
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God please not the mech/skytoss mirror
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36659 Posts
Just tuned into the stream. Why is there a 2v2 going on?
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On June 01 2020 01:44 Elentos wrote: God please not the mech/skytoss mirror It's uThermal, they are gonna tank/phoenix all-in
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On June 01 2020 01:47 Seeker wrote: Just tuned into the stream. Why is there a 2v2 going on? Because making TY and Zest wait until 2 AM KST is important.
Alternatively as an interlude to fill the broadcast cause we've gone from 8 Bo5s to 4 per broadcast.
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Thought it was an archon match - but 2v2 seems more interesting to me
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So I assume when a team consists of 2 zergs 1 makes brood lords and the other infestors?
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If there's Protoss players on opposite sides of a 2v2 and one isn't making air that's already suboptimal.
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On June 01 2020 01:48 Penev wrote: So I assume when a team consists of 2 zergs 1 makes brood lords and the other infestors? one goes MLB and the other ranged (ravagers/hydra/lurkers/vipers etc.)
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On June 01 2020 01:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water. But they suck vs thors too... Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2 Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well Ultra/ling/bane is actually a really good army against hellion/thor. Not great against tank heavy armies obviously. But I've seen soO win a fair amount of games against mech with LBM into ultras cause the Terran went too thor heavy. I've seen some games too, but all of them were already won in mid game so ultras were irrelevant. First of all he didn't have only hellion and thors. Even if he had, other compositions like only Ling bane, Ling bane roach/ravager, ling bane hydra, ling bane lurker, ling bane sh are still more cost efficient
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On June 01 2020 01:50 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 01:40 Elentos wrote:On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote: Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno. He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water. But they suck vs thors too... Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2 Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well Ultra/ling/bane is actually a really good army against hellion/thor. Not great against tank heavy armies obviously. But I've seen soO win a fair amount of games against mech with LBM into ultras cause the Terran went too thor heavy. I've seen some games too, but all of them were already won in mid game so ultras were irrelevant. First of all he didn't have only hellion and thors. Even if he had, other compositions like only Ling bane, Ling bane roach/ravager, ling bane hydra, ling bane lurker, ling bane sh are still more cost efficient Well I think the coaching position on Qlash is open so...
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Imagine you go Protoss in 2v2 and don't mass phoenices LOL
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Thermy and Gobbo, 2v2 goats
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What happens to elazer and uthermal now please?
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Canada8764 Posts
So uThermal and Elazer are the two best foreign players once again.
On June 01 2020 01:57 Edpayasugo wrote: What happens to elazer and uthermal now please?
Elazer died to a bunch of one base build and Trap didn't (pretty good showing by UT tho)
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Time for TY to take a break from the TvT practice
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I hate how marines with this skin look like they are carrying sniper rifles.
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On June 01 2020 02:08 Ej_ wrote: I hate how marines with this skin look like they are carrying sniper rifles. fixed a bug where Marines didn't have the Snipe ability
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a lot of mistakes this game from both
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zest games always so funky
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Italy12246 Posts
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On June 01 2020 02:12 Penev wrote: a lot of mistakes this game from both
It's the middle of the night in Korea, guess our guys ran out of red bull
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On June 01 2020 02:15 Schelim wrote: DTs are pretty good huh
Not good enough to get Inca a GSL though.
EDIT: Obviously, that wasn't in the Highest Skilled Era though.
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Innovation won? That's fucking Bogus.
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United States32487 Posts
oh god TY is gonna play his "never attack" style -_-
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Rotti talking about Zest is like a whole show in itself tbh
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I think I'm obligated to become a Zest fan now.
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Dark Shrine #3 please
e: yeeeah
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Canada8764 Posts
Rolf
InCa and Feardragon were right all along
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On June 01 2020 02:30 OsaX Nymloth wrote: The hell is this game :D
The Future.
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3rd dark shrine, S T R I D E, dying female ghosts; This game has everything!
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i guess i'll have to pour myself a wee dram of some nice Islay Whisky for this
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Mass DT is a good way to spend your money. And Zest could also use the Zen pocket next to the main to blink into the main.
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TY played this style so passive vs PartinG, I have no idea why he's being such an aggressive idiot here.
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United States32487 Posts
TY was saying on his stream that he went double-planetaries against parting because Blink DTs were messing him up in practice games vs Zest ;o
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This was such a throw from TY in the end fucking hell.
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Austria24413 Posts
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On June 01 2020 02:32 Elentos wrote: TY played this style so passive vs PartinG, I have no idea why he's being such an aggressive idiot here.
Maybe he thinks he needs to do more against someone who isn't going to donate his army for no reason ^^'
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that Rotti's face was priceless haha.
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perfect music for the game end
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What in God's good name am I watching? Zest you absolute Madman holy shit this is so disgustingly beautiful
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TY's conservative style perhaps cost him - he had a superior army at one stage and I reckon if he attacked the 4th, instead of that weird backdoor attack, he would've won
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On June 01 2020 02:33 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:32 Elentos wrote: TY played this style so passive vs PartinG, I have no idea why he's being such an aggressive idiot here. Maybe he thinks he needs to do more against someone who isn't going to donate his army for no reason ^^' Because Zest is known for his restraint.
I can appreciate getting something done but I feel like moving out with your entire army and having nothing to defend is a bit overkill.
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And this is why most terran just want to kill the protoss before it gets to the mid/late game. How do you even defend blink dt's when you move out ROFL.
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Zest should go DT's next game
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On June 01 2020 02:33 Olli wrote: I love this game Stealing this for ladder?
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Zest has finally figured out a style that allows him to spend his resources :o
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If Zest doesn't make another DT opening in g3 I am rioting
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Canada8764 Posts
Never, ever, has there been a more clownish tournament, truly amazing
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TY was also consistently late with scanning.
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someone tell Rotti it's S T R I D E
or not, that works as well
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On June 01 2020 02:34 Azzur wrote: TY's conservative style perhaps cost him - he had a superior army at one stage and I reckon if he attacked the 4th, instead of that weird backdoor attack, he would've won
Wouldn't he have the exact same problem at the 4th though? I don't think the pocket attack was the problem.
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On June 01 2020 02:34 Penev wrote: Zest should go DT's next game
I want a preemptive second shrine right off the bat
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On June 01 2020 02:35 Nakajin wrote: Never, ever, has there been a more clownish tournament, truly amazing
What I can't figure out is how the hell they got all the players to go along with it
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On June 01 2020 02:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:34 Azzur wrote: TY's conservative style perhaps cost him - he had a superior army at one stage and I reckon if he attacked the 4th, instead of that weird backdoor attack, he would've won Wouldn't he have the exact same problem at the 4th though? I don't think the pocket attack was the problem. At the 4th maybe he could have killed something meaningful instead of like 2 gateways. And also it would have worked out in such a way that Zest's DTs couldn't have come home to clean up as easily cause they were on the opposite side of the map.
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On June 01 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote:I want a preemptive second shrine right off the bat "it's not a mistake; It's to research both S T R I D E and S T R I K E at the same time!"
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On June 01 2020 02:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:34 Azzur wrote: TY's conservative style perhaps cost him - he had a superior army at one stage and I reckon if he attacked the 4th, instead of that weird backdoor attack, he would've won Wouldn't he have the exact same problem at the 4th though? I don't think the pocket attack was the problem. I dunno about that, I hardly ever see a successful backdoor attack
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On June 01 2020 02:37 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:35 Nakajin wrote: Never, ever, has there been a more clownish tournament, truly amazing What I can't figure out is how the hell they got all the players to go along with it Sneaky NDA document was probably signed by everyone who got invited/qualified
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On June 01 2020 02:37 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote:On June 01 2020 02:34 Penev wrote: Zest should go DT's next game I want a preemptive second shrine right off the bat "it's not a mistake; It's to research both S T R I D E and S T R I K E at the same time!" STRIKE OF STRIDE STRIDING STRIKE
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On June 01 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote:I want a preemptive second shrine right off the bat Make a shrine in base and proxy one a bit later in a place where you know it will get scouted. Terran will think DTs aren't coming for a while and will not be ready. This can't fail
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Austria24413 Posts
On June 01 2020 02:34 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Stealing this for ladder?
No I'd lose like an absolute idiot, but I love watching it
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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No Dark Shrine?! Is it even legal?
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On June 01 2020 02:39 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:36 sneakyfox wrote:On June 01 2020 02:34 Penev wrote: Zest should go DT's next game I want a preemptive second shrine right off the bat Make a shrine in base and proxy one a bit later in a place where you know it will get scouted. Terran will think DTs aren't coming for a while and will not be ready. This can't fail
Honestly it's like nexus-in-your-main level strategy right there
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What was that Shade-Recall?
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On June 01 2020 02:40 OsaX Nymloth wrote: No Dark Shrine?! Is it even legal?
I will MAKE IT legal!
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Zest still learning how to use this strange "robo" building. Hasn't quite figured out how to make it research STRIDE yet
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On June 01 2020 02:42 sneakyfox wrote: Zest still learning how to use this strange "robo" building. Hasn't quite figured out how to make it research STRIDE yet I laughed and nearly choked on my food, well played sir
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Oh yeah here's the dark shrine.
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Is this series just the weird outcome of TY practicing so much with Zest?
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On June 01 2020 02:45 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Dark Shrine!
The hype surrounding Zest's Dark Shrines kinda reminds of that time PigBaby made Observers .
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it's almost finished, poor TY..
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oh no! Rotti infected ZG with the "shadow strike"
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On June 01 2020 02:43 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:42 sneakyfox wrote: Zest still learning how to use this strange "robo" building. Hasn't quite figured out how to make it research STRIDE yet I laughed and nearly choked on my food, well played sir
Zest is the gift that keeps giving This is almost like that time he got really drunk at HSC (and almost won the whole tournament) and started accusing his units of mutiny.
Come to think of it, almost 3 am in Korea, Zest probably is drunk
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On June 01 2020 02:46 Fanatic-Templar wrote:The hype surrounding Zest's Dark Shrines kinda reminds of that time PigBaby made Observers . Was that 7 or 9 observers? T'was a good time
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This is almost like that time Maru lost to Scarlett
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the voice actors for both male and female ghosts could use some direction
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United States32487 Posts
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This is such a bad series from TY I can't even.
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By Hood's breath, I love such clown-y series
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TY needs to build a barracks
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what kind of music are we getting after this? I'm scared
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Why build a depot??? Build a rax which can lift....
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On June 01 2020 02:52 Penev wrote: what kind of music are we getting after this? I'm scared Thomas the Tank Engine theme
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TY can only leave those depots undefended for so long.
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On June 01 2020 02:52 Azzur wrote: TY needs to build a barracks
The draw would be certain then right?
e: nevermind, TY is broke
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Zest is such a madman and I love it!
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What an entertaining series, I love it
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TY should've saved his orbital
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Austria24413 Posts
Clown fiesta doesn't come close, I love it
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This was amazing. I want Zest to win this tournament now.
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Well that was certainly entertaining. TY looking like he doesn't want any distractions next weekend.
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TY beat PartinG, he's made the GSL finals which is a TvT, he's done with Protoss for the rest of the year apparently
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On June 01 2020 02:53 sneakyfox wrote:The draw would be certain then right? e: nevermind, TY is broke
Even with a barracks it would have been tough, since Zest could always rebuild.
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Alright Zest time to smash uthermal into the ground and get revenge
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What the hell did I just watch.
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And it's crazy that TLO managed to go 2/3 with those predictions.
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On June 01 2020 02:56 virpi wrote: What the hell did I just watch.
I think Zest's build is called Delayed Shrine Into Full Clown Fiesta
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On June 01 2020 02:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:53 sneakyfox wrote:On June 01 2020 02:52 Azzur wrote: TY needs to build a barracks The draw would be certain then right? e: nevermind, TY is broke Even with a barracks it would have been tough, since Zest could always rebuild. He could have floated a rax to focus on killing Zest's stuff. There was definitely a time where his army was too strong for Zest.
He could have also alternatively not gone for an SCV pull but I think he was fed up with playing Zest.
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Finally, the good music comes back
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that game 3... liberators backstabbing terrans by making it so maps dont have a lot of dead airspace behind main bases anymore x)
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On June 01 2020 02:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: And it's crazy that TLO managed to go 2/3 with those predictions. And the one he got wrong was the only one I felt confident he'd get right :D
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Elazer disappointed me because he should have won and Reynor did because be couldn't close out the series(and took out Serral and Clem before doing that).
It will be hard for Miko but not all hope is lost!
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I'm glad at least two of the players are making something of the invites they got to this tournament.
Showtime and Serral only won one series between the two of them despite being invited (which means skipping the qualifiers) and seeded directly into the second round of play.
If this doesn't show why invites are a terrible idea for a tournament like this, I'm not sure anything will. If you're fans of these players you'd want to actually see them play, not just exit quickly barely being able to show anything for it. At least if they had been required to qualify like everyone else, we'd have actually gotten to see more games out of them.
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shadow stride? ahaha , I always thought it was strike, shadow strike sounds way better, TIL hahahahah normally go with blink DT, rip forgive me, fun day though
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France12466 Posts
I’m glad INno won. Sad for TY though.
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United States4126 Posts
Even if TY moved on, his next match in TSL would've been a couple of hours after the GSL finals unfortunately. He probably prioritizes GSL over TSL so he didn't care too much about advancing.
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Amazingly entertaining series by Zest today. Too cool.
Rooting for SoO next weekend tho! ^^
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On June 01 2020 12:10 RKC wrote: Is Zest the new sOs?
Yes, only more drunk
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Zest played like a god lol, really channeling the spirits of Has and Inca
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