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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
May 31 2020 16:35 GMT
#221
On June 01 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
Oh come on I got to watch all of Elazer-soO and missed that last INno-Reynor

So you saw inferior Korean ZvZ triumph, that sounds like a win to me.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 31 2020 16:36 GMT
#222
On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote:
I am farmer

everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it

TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-31 16:37:45
May 31 2020 16:37 GMT
#223
On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote:
Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great.

Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks.
On June 01 2020 01:36 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote:
I am farmer

everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it

TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining

I want Sandstorm and the Titanic cover on a recorder.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
May 31 2020 16:39 GMT
#224
Yeah, the mines were a great call. He had no economy, so they were the most cost efficient way to come back.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
May 31 2020 16:39 GMT
#225
On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote:
Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno.

He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water.

But they suck vs thors too...
Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2
Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-31 16:43:18
May 31 2020 16:40 GMT
#226
On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote:
Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno.

He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water.

But they suck vs thors too...
Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2
Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well

Ultra/ling/bane is actually a really good army against hellion/thor. Not great against tank heavy armies obviously. But I've seen soO win a fair amount of games against mech with LBM into ultras cause the Terran went too thor heavy.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
May 31 2020 16:40 GMT
#227
On June 01 2020 01:37 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote:
Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great.

Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks.

Not to mention the only reason the big mine switch worked was the extra synergy between the mine and cyclone-hellion. The former, you want to pick off bits and pieces (think how zergs fight bio mine), while the latter you want to just surround and YOLO.

Innovation added sophistication to his army and Reynor's sophistication (infestors) was mis-positioned, while he failed to tech further. You can't blame imbalance for a smart choice by innovation that Reynor misplayed against
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
May 31 2020 16:42 GMT
#228
On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote:
Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno.

He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water.

But they suck vs thors too...
Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2
Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well


There are some in hots in order to break a mech contain when pdd duration was 180sec or sth.
And stephano won with it.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 31 2020 16:42 GMT
#229
On June 01 2020 01:37 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote:
Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great.

Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks.
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:36 Penev wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote:
I am farmer

everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it

TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining

I want Sandstorm and the Titanic cover on a recorder.

how about russian boy bands?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 31 2020 16:43 GMT
#230
On June 01 2020 01:42 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:37 Ej_ wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:35 t5Fab wrote:
Mines hard counter the whole meelee of zerg. A single unit, pumped out at unbelievable speed and no cost, counters around half the units of the enemy. Great.

Enter baneling, the unit that counters whatever the fuck you make out of barracks.
On June 01 2020 01:36 Penev wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:34 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:33 Penev wrote:
I am farmer

everyone is when they hear music like this, gotta love it

TL seems to have hired the former Dreamhack DJ and I'm not complaining

I want Sandstorm and the Titanic cover on a recorder.

how about russian boy bands?

The dreams...
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
May 31 2020 16:44 GMT
#231
God please not the mech/skytoss mirror
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
May 31 2020 16:47 GMT
#232
Just tuned into the stream. Why is there a 2v2 going on?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 31 2020 16:47 GMT
#233
On June 01 2020 01:44 Elentos wrote:
God please not the mech/skytoss mirror

It's uThermal, they are gonna tank/phoenix all-in
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-31 16:48:16
May 31 2020 16:47 GMT
#234
On June 01 2020 01:47 Seeker wrote:
Just tuned into the stream. Why is there a 2v2 going on?

Because making TY and Zest wait until 2 AM KST is important.

Alternatively as an interlude to fill the broadcast cause we've gone from 8 Bo5s to 4 per broadcast.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
May 31 2020 16:48 GMT
#235
Thought it was an archon match - but 2v2 seems more interesting to me
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 31 2020 16:48 GMT
#236
So I assume when a team consists of 2 zergs 1 makes brood lords and the other infestors?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
May 31 2020 16:49 GMT
#237
If there's Protoss players on opposite sides of a 2v2 and one isn't making air that's already suboptimal.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 31 2020 16:50 GMT
#238
On June 01 2020 01:48 Penev wrote:
So I assume when a team consists of 2 zergs 1 makes brood lords and the other infestors?

one goes MLB and the other ranged (ravagers/hydra/lurkers/vipers etc.)
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
May 31 2020 16:50 GMT
#239
On June 01 2020 01:40 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote:
Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno.

He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water.

But they suck vs thors too...
Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2
Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well

Ultra/ling/bane is actually a really good army against hellion/thor. Not great against tank heavy armies obviously. But I've seen soO win a fair amount of games against mech with LBM into ultras cause the Terran went too thor heavy.

I've seen some games too, but all of them were already won in mid game so ultras were irrelevant.
First of all he didn't have only hellion and thors.
Even if he had, other compositions like only Ling bane, Ling bane roach/ravager, ling bane hydra, ling bane lurker, ling bane sh are still more cost efficient
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 31 2020 16:52 GMT
#240
On June 01 2020 01:50 Aegwynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 01:40 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:39 Aegwynn wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2020 01:30 DBooN wrote:
Are ultras really worth it against mass cyclone? Feels like theyre just free good trades for Inno.

He made the ultras to kill the thor army. Against cyclones the ultras are like a fish out of water.

But they suck vs thors too...
Tbh never seen a single map won by ultras against mech in the entire history of sc2
Its not the first time reynor throwing game by making ultras as well

Ultra/ling/bane is actually a really good army against hellion/thor. Not great against tank heavy armies obviously. But I've seen soO win a fair amount of games against mech with LBM into ultras cause the Terran went too thor heavy.

I've seen some games too, but all of them were already won in mid game so ultras were irrelevant.
First of all he didn't have only hellion and thors.
Even if he had, other compositions like only Ling bane, Ling bane roach/ravager, ling bane hydra, ling bane lurker, ling bane sh are still more cost efficient

Well I think the coaching position on Qlash is open so...
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
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