If Trap beats Soo I ll eat.. nevermind, if he actually overcomes his worth matchup I ve other things to do than eating stuff that isn t meant to eat. Still pretty unlikely to happen, unless Rogue trained with him 15hours a day every day since group nominations
On May 13 2020 18:33 Morbidius wrote: Nestea award is like a participation trophy at best and a mockery at worst.
I mean, at the time of its inception it was a considerable achievement and after giving it out for a while I don't think it really makes sense to cancel it. It's still respectable. Not like it's a super expensive-looking trophy either. Good point from Artosis that it might be time for another more prestigious award though.
On May 13 2020 18:33 Morbidius wrote: Nestea award is like a participation trophy at best and a mockery at worst.
I mean, at the time of its inception it was a considerable achievement and after giving it out for a while I don't think it really makes sense to cancel it. It's still respectable. Not like it's a super expensive-looking trophy either. Good point from Artosis that it might be time for another more prestigious award though.
they should do one for consecutive quarterfinals or just do the Maru award for 4 GSL victories in a row lol
On May 13 2020 18:43 Morbidius wrote: What is Parting's second silver? He lost 2015 season one to Life, what's the other?
Blizzard Cup 2012 maybe, off the top of my head. Or the global tournament in 2013 och 14?
One day scientists will figure out the logic behind what GSL considers a title and what they don't.
There are rune carvings from the Stone age depicting cave men discussing the question, you'd think we'd eventually have reached a point of clarification
Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Trap just had to take the worst engagement possible and he did it so there's that.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
What analysis? They were talking bad "jokes" half way thrue..
On May 13 2020 19:08 dbRic1203 wrote: I feel like Trap is not even near his level from 2019
No Protoss is and it fucking sucks as a Protoss fan.
Defensive players like Trap are getting hit extra hard tho.
He just had to eat several mines and delay the attack because he had no detection while knowing Bunny plays bio mine. He literally forced an attack in a bad position while giving Terran free kills on zealots while Terran spread into concave with mostly marauders against stalkers(lulz) and colossi(lulz). Trap commited a game suicide live.
On May 13 2020 19:10 pvsnp wrote: Ok, so Trap looked like a complete PvT master until he amoved through a dozen mines without detection.....
Nah, wasn t looking to hot before either in my oppinion..
I mean, maybe not complete master but he was consistently 1 base and 2 upgrades ahead. He was out on the map and teching to the right splash. There were a lot of ways it could go right for him but he chose pretty much the only way it could go wrong.
On May 13 2020 19:12 Olli wrote: Now I'm not one to balance whine + Show Spoiler +
but that was completely on Trap and not on balance
Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/
Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Trap just had to take the worst engagement possible and he did it so there's that.
Clearly they should have predicted that Trap would run his zealots straight into 6 mines lol
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Trap just had to take the worst engagement possible and he did it so there's that.
He was also consistently equal in workers and when he was ahead in upgrades he was 30 supply behind while Bunny had ghosts.
On May 13 2020 19:12 Olli wrote: Now I'm not one to balance whine + Show Spoiler +
but that was completely on Trap and not on balance
Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/
Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies.
His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
On May 13 2020 19:12 Olli wrote: Now I'm not one to balance whine + Show Spoiler +
but that was completely on Trap and not on balance
Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/
Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies.
His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late.
It looked like he was getting ready for some sort of push that never came and then he didn’t have the right tech/army? Idk
Not sure what to make of that series. Game 1, Trap loses because he misses a move out - which is never 100% preventable, game 2 is a bop, and then game 3 he does everything right the whole game, but Bunny stays ahead by 20 supply anyway (how??) and then wins by outpositioning the Protoss army and forcing him to walk into mines. If I was Trap, I'd be very confused right now.
On May 13 2020 19:12 Olli wrote: Now I'm not one to balance whine + Show Spoiler +
but that was completely on Trap and not on balance
Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/
Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies.
His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late.
That's for the same reason. I'm not sure he ever saw Bunny's 4th either as Bunny didn't build it on location and had a missile turret there so an observer wouldn't have caught it. I'm not sure but I think it was also built after the last zealot runby so he didn't see it that way.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
That's what happen when you like BW more and you focus more on BW and less on SC2(not that I blame them).
Also the terrible gamer shit all the series was... stupid. OK, fix that, is. Somebody should tell them to finally stop this nonsense.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant? Because I distinctly remember them taking entire series to banter while spending minimal time on high-action moments and nothing else within the game. It's not new.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
Thats it, this game is dead. Artosis is not even streaming sc2, just bw
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant?
Artosis is still a good commentator and he knows a lot about the game still. I think you can really tell when he talks to pros or casts with other commentators. No comment on Tasteless.
On May 13 2020 19:12 Olli wrote: Now I'm not one to balance whine + Show Spoiler +
but that was completely on Trap and not on balance
Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/
Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies.
His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late.
That's for the same reason. I'm not sure he ever saw Bunny's 4th either as Bunny didn't build it on location and had a missile turret there so an observer wouldn't have caught it. I'm not sure but I think it was also built after the last zealot runby so he didn't see it that way.
THe last zealot runby saw it, it was like 15-ish % done.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
I feel like Artosis is still up to date, while Tasteless doesn t know any more than a b tier caster. He s living in the past and makes that up by talking off topic, wich I don t find too entertaining. For example when Craighton Olsen had to replace him once, it was obvious, he had less knowledge, but cast was still fine to me. But these forced jokes are pretty lame in my oppinion
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant?
Artosis is still a good commentator and he knows a lot about the game still. No comment on Tasteless.
The difference between ASL Tasteless and GSL Tasteless is stark.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant?
Artosis is still a good commentator and he knows a lot about the game still. I think you can really tell when he talks to pros or casts with other commentators. No comment on Tasteless.
Oh, he knows a lot. But yet we ended we 3 games full of commentary about some gamer video and gamer shit.
On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct?
Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something.
Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant? Because I distinctly remember them taking entire series to banter while spending minimal time on high-action moments and nothing else within the game. It's not new.
I don't think so.
They never represented the pinnacle of game knowledge but it seems much worse this year or something.
Isn't this one of the shorter zergling distance untill you close the gap next to the mineral walled ramp? This would be the one map I would have early scouted vs. zerg
On May 13 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Am i allowed to say this game is looking terrible? We will reach WoL levels if this keeps up.
PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it.
I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club.
I mean, that isn't true, the patch does affect PvZ. It's true that it makes terran too strong right now but all the changes won't go through and PvZ is more important right now.
On May 13 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Am i allowed to say this game is looking terrible? We will reach WoL levels if this keeps up.
PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it.
I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club.
I mean, that isn't true, the patch does affect PvZ. It's true that it makes terran too strong right now but all the changes won't go through and PvZ is more important right now.
I think you missed quoted, i didn't say anythign about the quality of the patch, more of the fact p players drop like flies everywhere.
On May 13 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Am i allowed to say this game is looking terrible? We will reach WoL levels if this keeps up.
PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it.
I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club.
I mean, that isn't true, the patch does affect PvZ. It's true that it makes terran too strong right now but all the changes won't go through and PvZ is more important right now.
I think you missed quoted, i didn't say anythign about the quality of the patch, more of the fact p players drop like flies everywhere.
I thought you meant the patch in "so far [it] (the patch) looks abysmal", my mistake.
On May 13 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Am i allowed to say this game is looking terrible? We will reach WoL levels if this keeps up.
PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it.
I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club.
I mean, that isn't true, the patch does affect PvZ. It's true that it makes terran too strong right now but all the changes won't go through and PvZ is more important right now.
I think you missed quoted, i didn't say anythign about the quality of the patch, more of the fact p players drop like flies everywhere.
I thought you meant the patch in "so far [it] (the patch) looks abysmal", my mistake.
Ah, yeah, should have written 'they look abysmal' instead of it, my bad./
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Maybe but just about anyone else would have died to the zerg push on the third as far as I know.
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Not like you can just switch to hydra lurker viper with a snap of your fingers.
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Not like you can just switch to hydra lurker viper with a snap of your fingers.
Yeah but you got +2 range first couldnt you go roach ravager hydra First then?
Absolute HotS composition from PartinG. I'd love to start seeing zergs throw out preemptive biles to kill forcefields before they've been up for three seconds
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Not like you can just switch to hydra lurker viper with a snap of your fingers.
Yeah but you got +2 range first couldnt you go roach ravager hydra First then?
That's really garbage vs stalker/immortal and potential disruptors
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Not like you can just switch to hydra lurker viper with a snap of your fingers.
Yeah but you got +2 range first couldnt you go roach ravager hydra First then?
That's really garbage vs stalker/immortal and potential disruptors
Dont think it's garbo vs Stalker Immo and you can Switch into banes when you have the upgrades, then Hydra bane maybe.
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Maybe but just about anyone else would have died to the zerg push on the third as far as I know.
that felt like 1 missplaced FF would cost him the game
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
He actually is. Both won blizzcon of a strategy that was pretty much unbeatable if micro'd perfectly (and they both happened to be the best players at micro'ing it).
Both also have annoying massive fanbases due to popular streams/personality.
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much.
Maybe but just about anyone else would have died to the zerg push on the third as far as I know.
that felt like 1 missplaced FF would cost him the game
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
Bunny can be such a fun player in macro games with his drop until someone drops dead playstyle. That fun is kinda wasted when he decides to play cheesy.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews.
On May 13 2020 19:59 Elentos wrote: Bunny can be such a fun player in macro games with his drop until someone drops dead playstyle. That fun is kinda wasted when he decides to play cheesy.
Yeah he’s a Terran after my own heart, only bio and yolo dropping
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews.
See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews.
See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied.
I thought you were gonna say "Now it's not always the 2nd game"
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
I think people like to forget most of 2016 cause the 2nd half of the year meta wise was unbelievably bad and the ByuN return story is one of the few things they can salvage in positive manner.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews.
See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied.
I thought you were gonna say "Now it's not always the 2nd game"
Wasn't there one GSL finals in 2018 where Maru literally proxied every game?
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
You couldn't win macro TvZ as we could see with TY v Dark. But most of KR Z went full roach ravager only.
A quote about the state of TvZ in 2016 from TY, the man himself: "The only time I ever reached 90% winrate against a race in practice was against Zerg in 2016"
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews.
See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied.
I thought you were gonna say "Now it's not always the 2nd game"
Wasn't there one GSL finals in 2018 where Maru literally proxied every game?
He never did every game but he did 5 out of 7 games against TY.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha
PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews.
See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied.
I thought you were gonna say "Now it's not always the 2nd game"
Wasn't there one GSL finals in 2018 where Maru literally proxied every game?
He proxied in 5/7 games. Including the first four in a row
Never have I been more annoyed by the missing health bars. Let me see how much damage those storms did, please. Let me see what exactly those EMPs hit, please.
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds
On May 13 2020 20:08 TheOneAboveU wrote: Never have I been more annoyed by the missing health bars. Let me see how much damage those storms did, please. Let me see what exactly those EMPs hit, please.
I saw those archons going forward and then they just vanished and I was like wtf.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones.
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds
Frozen Temple
What a terrible map
2016 also had Dasan Station whatever the fuck that map was.
On May 13 2020 20:10 deacon.frost wrote: I'm ju8st surprised that of these players the best one looks to be Parting xD Also JAGW training house powah...
Practising on the NA ladder was the secret super power all along.
On May 13 2020 20:08 TheOneAboveU wrote: Never have I been more annoyed by the missing health bars. Let me see how much damage those storms did, please. Let me see what exactly those EMPs hit, please.
I saw those archons going forward and then they just vanished and I was like wtf.
Yeah it makes the fights absolutely unreadable. And I don't care if production thinks it's more exciting this way. It's just stupid.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds
Frozen Temple
What a terrible map
2016 also had Dasan Station whatever the fuck that map was.
2016 had some truly shit maps, we went from pretty good 2015 maps back into the dark ages of early sc2 maps. It was pretty crazy
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row.
Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash.
Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though?
How many titles did other Terrans get in that time period in big tournaments? Or at WCS? Or any other multiple terran acomplishment? Similarily 2016 and Dark
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
For real, Rain as far as i remember started to cheese once he got caught he only macroes and got hard countered
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones.
Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk.
Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was simply further ahead of other terrans than PartinG was to other protoss.
PartinG was the best with a composition that was already strong/meta, it's less impressive than working with compositions that were unplayable for anyone else. Let alone actually dominating/being the best terran with that composition.
Maru was smashing toss with biomine before mines got buffed to actually be good against protoss. Playing no viking against collosus and winning purely by micro'ing his units that well. He used to do all kinds of crazy shit like splitting his units so collosus could only hit one marauder each, grabbing peices of his army mid engagement to snipe them down, even kiting only the specific units that chargelots locked onto so the rest of his army could max DPS.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones.
Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk.
Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings.
All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever.
Meanwhile Zerg just a moves banelings /s
I mean it's a bit like how people would scratch their heads wondering why sOs' insane cheeses would work so often or why people would consistently be caught off-guard by Life's zergling backstabs. There are a lot of tiny details that separate players even if it looks at a glance like everyone's doing more or less the same thing but with different results.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was simply further ahead of other terrans than PartinG was to other protoss.
PartinG was the best with a composition that was already strong/meta, it's less impressive than working with compositions that were unplayable for anyone else. Let alone actually dominating/being the best terran with that composition.
Except when protoss is really strong, all the things that can win games as protoss are meta. What you demand of protosses to get to the level of Maru is impossible.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones.
Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk.
Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings.
All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore.
Why spend 36 supply on colossi when you could instead have 36 supply of 3 different types of AOE that all need to be reacted to?
Meanwhile PartinG has forgotten he started the game with a DT drop.
On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote: [quote] None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones.
Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk.
Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings.
All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore.
Why spend 36 supply on colossi when you could instead have 36 supply of 3 different types of AOE that all need to be reacted to?
Meanwhile PartinG has forgotten he started the game with a DT drop.
Only the colossus shoots lasers, this should be reason enough
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever.
To be fair the top games of Maru was Maru attacking at 3 fronts, or from 3 screens at the same time so the observers couldn't handle it even with the better observing thingies of HotS. Rarely any Protoss did this on the scale of Maru or at least less intensive Terrans. it's not about them not doing it, it's them doing it less. Imagine Parting from PvT WoL when he was rampaging Terrans with the templar openings.
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly.
None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun.
I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time.
It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day
Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough.
But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss.
Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could?
Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
Lets ignore a few minutes ago when I said the title of best micro of all time is literally between PartinG and Maru, or when I've said PartinG is the best PvT player of all time bar none.
On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote: [quote] ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy.
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row.
Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash.
Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though?
I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well
Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016?
Your point being? I said literally 10 minutes ago that zerg was trash in 2016 yet no one talks about it. What are you trying to get at here
Point being thats it's fucking stupid to bring up 1 person results to justify wgatever balance agenda you have which is what I directly illustrated, but then you still argued with my obvious mockery.
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
On May 13 2020 20:26 darklycid wrote: Still i think parting got really lucky, he got a relatively easy group and dodged the one player he'd probably lose to.
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
On May 13 2020 20:26 darklycid wrote: Still i think parting got really lucky, he got a relatively easy group and dodged the one player he'd probably lose to.
Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong.
Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me
Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row.
Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash.
Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though?
I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well
Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016?
Your point being? I said literally 10 minutes ago that zerg was trash in 2016 yet no one talks about it. What are you trying to get at here
Point being thats it's fucking stupid to bring up 1 person results to justify wgatever balance agenda you have which is what I directly illustrated, but then you still argued with my obvious mockery.
My mistake, I lost track of the comment chain and just assumed you were whining about zerg
This LR is wild! From openly stating that any nerf to Zerg is welcome and that it doesn't matter how bad the games look as long as a Terran wins to declaring that Maru and TY would have won more if they picked Zerg, not to mention doubting peak PartinG's micro and saying that Byun won because no one else cared about the game.
Also, if you don't like this season of Code S I'd suggest you to watch online cups, which are producing very good games at the moment.
I am at least glad people are starting to acknowledge that Protoss is not in a good spot at the moment with how hard PvZ(still) is.
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib.
It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not.
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib.
It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not.
Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib.
It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not.
Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying
Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show.
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib.
It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not.
Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying
Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show.
I think so. You always go DTs in the lategame so anyone not getting blink is making a mistake
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib.
It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not.
Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying
Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show.
PvT lategame has abandoned tempests because they are pretty crap and abusing mobility with disruptors is just better.
On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway)
It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something.
Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib.
It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not.
Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying
Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show.
After being entirely underused ever since it was added to the game it's finally found its spot. So it does have that going for itself, it only took 3 years to get to a point medivac upgrades haven't reached in 10.
Although whether people would still go DT blink if tempests were still decent in late game is another matter entirely.
Basically how Zest plays his longer PvZs on this map, hits a pre-BL timing frontally while backstabbing with zealot/archon runby. Zest executes it a lot better but it seems like it was well and truly good enough for Trap today.
The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast.
On May 13 2020 21:11 Nebuchad wrote: The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast.
Foreigners are basically 1 race historically (Protoss and especially Terran success are outliers) while Koreans are way more even across with variance depending on metas. But I feel like it just so happens that the historically best foreigner race is the historically weakest Korean race. Inverse skill
On May 13 2020 21:11 Nebuchad wrote: The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast.
Indeed, it's quite crazy. It's hard to explain why there is such a contrast at the source but since 2012, it feels easier for a eu zerg to be on top just because there are a lot of them at a very good/top level which is good for talent pool/sharing of info. Even if you're talking about meta/efficient comp, there are large differences. Korean Zergs refused to use infestor for a long time (players like Kyrix even thought it was not viable). And it's the same for turtle sh, only eu zergs really used it, Soulkey didn't really go full turtle mod and other zergs like soO/Byul prefered suiciding mass BL/ultra to the 4pop, 15 range ground/air tempest until Life used it at the end of 2014 after losing badly to Zest in Toronto.
On May 13 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Zerg was close to being the strongest korean race but soO/Dark like to choke and Life decided to get arrested.
Terran being dominant in korea and seemingly unplayable outside it will always be baffling, though.
Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho.
Until the big offline events happen again and all the decent non-Korean Terrans finally remind everyone that they have no clutch factor.
Clutch factor wasn't what they missed overall, they were just behind... I feel like the current foreigner T have never been as strong as they are now, even if Lucifron/Thorzain were amazing.
Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window.
On May 13 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window.
There is also Gas and Minerals coming out of your roof, so you might have different problems entirely.
On May 13 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Zerg was close to being the strongest korean race but soO/Dark like to choke and Life decided to get arrested.
Terran being dominant in korea and seemingly unplayable outside it will always be baffling, though.
Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho.
Until the big offline events happen again and all the decent non-Korean Terrans finally remind everyone that they have no clutch factor.
Clutch factor wasn't what they missed overall, they were just behind... I feel like the current foreigner T have never been as strong as they are now, even if Lucifron/Thorzain were amazing.
No I'm literally talking about the ones that are good now. Not the ones who used to be. They're a group of people who performs best before all the chips are down and then crumble under the pressure.
On May 13 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window.
Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments and getting your electricity cut off by some prick ghost throwing EMPs
On May 13 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window.
Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments and getting your electricity cut off by some prick ghost throwing EMPs
Fortunately it only happens when Korean Terrans play
On May 13 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window.
Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments and getting your electricity cut off by some prick ghost throwing EMPs
Fortunately it only happens when Korean Terrans play
Non-Korean Terrans play far more macro TvP I find. Korean meta is more aggressive.
Also is "I don't think this position is breakable" a top 3 Tastosis statement moments before the game ends?
On May 13 2020 21:11 Nebuchad wrote: The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast.
Indeed, it's quite crazy. It's hard to explain why there is such a contrast at the source but since 2012, it feels easier for a eu zerg to be on top just because there are a lot of them at a very good/top level which is good for talent pool/sharing of info. Even if you're talking about meta/efficient comp, there are large differences. Korean Zergs refused to use infestor for a long time (players like Kyrix even thought it was not viable). And it's the same for turtle sh, only eu zergs really used it, Soulkey didn't really go full turtle mod and other zergs like soO/Byul prefered suiciding mass BL/ultra to the 4pop, 15 range ground/air tempest until Life used it at the end of 2014 after losing badly to Zest in Toronto.
I don't think it's that hard to explain. It's about a strategy being easier to do than to counter. To know that this strategy is OP, you have to have developed it to its full potential. But you would only do that if you win most of your games with it, like the Europeans did, because their opponents were a bit weaker and couldn't beat the unrefined versions of the build. In Korea you would do the roach into broodlord infestor build and then you'd die, a lot, because you didn't know how to do the build perfectly yet and the opponent was PartinG. So instead you'd do builds that are a little bit safer against PartinG, but weaker overall because they don't get to the OP composition as fast.
I get why Jonnyrecco would figure out how to do this perfectly and HyuN wouldn't. They had different incentives based on population.
Also, the existence of these destructible debris fields in the middle of the city is a damning statement to the recycling attitude of these people. It's not Naples level of non-functioning trash transport, but it's not exactly great.
On May 13 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Zerg was close to being the strongest korean race but soO/Dark like to choke and Life decided to get arrested.
Terran being dominant in korea and seemingly unplayable outside it will always be baffling, though.
Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho.
Until the big offline events happen again and all the decent non-Korean Terrans finally remind everyone that they have no clutch factor.
Clutch factor wasn't what they missed overall, they were just behind... I feel like the current foreigner T have never been as strong as they are now, even if Lucifron/Thorzain were amazing.
No I'm literally talking about the ones that are good now. Not the ones who used to be. They're a group of people who performs best before all the chips are down and then crumble under the pressure.
HM is just super solid and stable, Special managed to get great results, I don't think they lose because they crumbled under pressure. Soul and maybe Uthermal correspond a bit more to your description I guess. And Clem might be a bit shaky sometimes but he seems to have pass a signficant landmark, I might be biaised toward my fellow countryman but he seems sharper than last year and I have good expectations for this year.
On May 13 2020 21:28 TheOneAboveU wrote: Also, the existence of these destructible debris fields in the middle of the city is a damning statement to the recycling attitude of these people. It's not Naples level of non-functioning trash transport, but it's not exactly great.
well at least when you shoot at it it eventually dissipates into nothingness
On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote: On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8
On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote: On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8
And the club of GSL champions with destroyed wrists. But if Dark plays like in the Ro16 he has no hope of winning this tournament.
On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote: On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8
And the club of GSL champions with destroyed wrists. But if Dark plays like in the Ro16 he has no hope of winning this tournament.
Pretty sure only Terrans can have broken wrists, hardest race literally chess btw
It'd have been nice to see Bunny find a way to win this Bo3 but he clearly has some glaring flaws. Not a surprise he's kicking himself after that game.
He doesn't try to push when he has an advantage and he's really really conservative when it comes to securing bases after the 3rd, but that's probably also due to in part of generally slow reaction times (during all of these TvPs how many times has he lost workers due to a handful of gateway units - it's absurd) and average defense. I think technically he's not bad for defense using the turrets and mine on the edge of his main to completely deny warp prisms. But that last game also showed him lacking the type of creative mindset other than to execute a build.
Micro isn't terrible, but it's obvious he just can't deal with Disruptors straight up. If he pushed his advantage after trading and killing those multiple expansions and went parade push bio Maru style, he'd have probably gotten a win.
The Ro8 is looking nice. An extra Zerg wouldn't have hurt but so far they just didn't deserve to make the cut. Maybe Rag can surprise and bring us to 3/3/2.
On May 13 2020 21:56 ssg wrote: Think Bunny threw that last game. Should have recognized trap was mining somewhere...
Didn't even land vikings to use for his army when the Colossi were no longer being made either. They were just worthless flying units offering no offense too.
On May 13 2020 21:56 ssg wrote: Think Bunny threw that last game. Should have recognized trap was mining somewhere...
Didn't even land vikings to use for his army when the Colossi were no longer being made either. They were just worthless flying units offering no offense too.
He did the signature maneuver of landing the vikings when the rest of his army was already dead to make sure he loses them for free.
On May 13 2020 21:56 ssg wrote: Think Bunny threw that last game. Should have recognized trap was mining somewhere...
well that's the issue
If Bunny would have: - read the game better - defended multiprong harass better - split his army against aoes better
He would be an overall better player. The sad thing is he seems so close to be a better player ...
He does need to make some real improvements and not only in just mechanical skill but thinking a bit outside his self-imposed box if he wants to make it to that next tier and be a top player.
On May 13 2020 22:19 Fuell wrote: No Protoss in top 10 aligulac. Is this merely a coincidence or are they on a low atm?
A combination of being a struggling race and just the way Aligulac calculates ELO. E.g. it's pretty much undeniable that Zest is a top 10 player in the world but it's not quite reflected by Aligulac standings.
On May 13 2020 22:52 TentativePanda wrote: Gonna be 1 Zerg in Ro8 and are about to get nerfed haha. Well played T whiners
Problem in korea is: the top4 zerg in international events that also often enough populate the top8 of a tournament are: Dark rogue, reynor and serral, while with terran and toss it's mostly the koreans ones (Zest, trap, Dear, Stats vs Inno, Maru, Ty etc) so in korea you only really have Dark and rogue for the consistent top8 (with soO kinda falling after his one iem) and Rogue lost to scarlett in a zvz to go out of the gsl.
On May 13 2020 22:52 TentativePanda wrote: Gonna be 1 Zerg in Ro8 and are about to get nerfed haha. Well played T whiners
Problem in korea is: the top4 zerg in international events that also often enough populate the top8 of a tournament are: Dark rogue, reynor and serral, while with terran and toss it's mostly the koreans ones (Zest, trap, Dear, Stats vs Inno, Maru, Ty etc) so in korea you only really have Dark and rogue for the consistent top8 (with soO kinda falling after his one iem) and Rogue lost to scarlett in a zvz to go out of the gsl.
I generally agree with you. I just think it’s funny since plenty of P and T point out the Zerg dominated EU scene (which isn’t even true anymore) as factual evidence that Zerg is imba
On May 13 2020 22:52 TentativePanda wrote: Gonna be 1 Zerg in Ro8 and are about to get nerfed haha. Well played T whiners
Zerg gets nerfs because players say PvZ is broken in favor of zerg.
"Those pesky T whiners"
"Those pesky T whiners " *
Also, players can be wrong. Zerg has 38% winrate against Protoss this GSL. Statistics can be misleading. It’s a tough decision but imo balance is in a pretty healthy state
Can't really draw any balance conclusions from this RO16. The 6 players who have advanced so far are simply the best 2 from each group. Soo, Stats and Solar have all been slumping, and Scarlett, Taeja and Bunny just are not as good as the players they lost to. If you want to make inferences about balance, you need to watch the games themselves, not use summary statistics of a tiny sample.