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Poll: Who Advances? soO & Trap (21) Trap & PartinG (7) Trap & Bunny (6) PartinG & soO (6) soO & Bunny (5) Bunny & PartinG (3) 48 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): soO & Trap | ||
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nevermind, if he actually overcomes his worth matchup I ve other things to do than eating stuff that isn t meant to eat. Still pretty unlikely to happen, unless Rogue trained with him 15hours a day every day since group nominations  | ||
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Meepman
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On May 13 2020 07:16 catplanetcatplanet wrote: If big boi makes round of 8 i will eat a tater tot hope you like tater tot | ||
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On May 13 2020 18:33 Morbidius wrote: Nestea award is like a participation trophy at best and a mockery at worst. I mean, at the time of its inception it was a considerable achievement and after giving it out for a while I don't think it really makes sense to cancel it. It's still respectable. Not like it's a super expensive-looking trophy either. Good point from Artosis that it might be time for another more prestigious award though. | ||
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Zealously
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On May 13 2020 18:43 Morbidius wrote: What is Parting's second silver? He lost 2015 season one to Life, what's the other? Blizzard Cup 2012 maybe, off the top of my head. Or the global tournament in 2013 och 14? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17671 Posts
On May 13 2020 18:43 Zealously wrote: I mean, at the time of its inception it was a considerable achievement and after giving it out for a while I don't think it really makes sense to cancel it. It's still respectable. Not like it's a super expensive-looking trophy either. Good point from Artosis that it might be time for another more prestigious award though. they should do one for consecutive quarterfinals or just do the Maru award for 4 GSL victories in a row lol | ||
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Morbidius
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On May 13 2020 18:44 Zealously wrote: Blizzard Cup 2012 maybe, off the top of my head. Or the global tournament in 2013 och 14? One day scientists will figure out the logic behind what GSL considers a title and what they don't. | ||
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On May 13 2020 18:46 Morbidius wrote: One day scientists will figure out the logic behind what GSL considers a title and what they don't. There are rune carvings from the Stone age depicting cave men discussing the question, you'd think we'd eventually have reached a point of clarification | ||
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-Tasteless 2020 | ||
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starkiller123
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On May 13 2020 18:56 DieuCure wrote: Cheeses 1/2 games are getting boring. Game 1 wasen’t really cheese | ||
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Yes, that's why I said 1/2. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:01 pvsnp wrote: Why did he burrow the mine.... He's Bunny, didn't you watch where bunnies live? | ||
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dbRic1203
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On May 13 2020 19:02 Mozdk wrote: They will never stop talking about epic gamer moments. Can t they just talk about the game instead of 5 min of this? Edit: Nice, now they do Should have asked for it earlier | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:03 dbRic1203 wrote: Can t they just talk about the game instead of 5 min of this? Glad we start with the 12 workers now so these talks are over and they can focus on the game... oh, no | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:08 dbRic1203 wrote: I feel like Trap is not even near his level from 2019 No Protoss is and it fucking sucks as a Protoss fan. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:10 Fango wrote: And just like that Group D became a race for second place If Trap can't even beat Bunny, Maru and Inno will eat him alive. | ||
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dbRic1203
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On May 13 2020 19:10 pvsnp wrote: Ok, so Trap looked like a complete PvT master until he amoved through a dozen mines without detection..... Nah, wasn t looking to hot before either in my oppinion.. | ||
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Fango
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On May 13 2020 19:11 Z3nith wrote: No Protoss is and it fucking sucks as a Protoss fan. Yup, Zest is even better than his 2019 form | ||
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Dear. That's it. Uh... fuck. edit> maybe zest, but I count on him to disappoint. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:11 sudete wrote: Very surreal to see protoss players all simultaneously slumping Stats and Classic retiring killed this race. | ||
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Olli
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but that was completely on Trap and not on balance | ||
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Penev
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On May 13 2020 19:11 Zealously wrote: Wow that game took an absolutely abysmal turn for Trap It did but I don't think Bunny was as far behind as Tastosis made it out to be | ||
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Morbidius
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On May 13 2020 19:11 Z3nith wrote: No Protoss is and it fucking sucks as a Protoss fan. Defensive players like Trap are getting hit extra hard tho. | ||
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dbRic1203
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On May 13 2020 19:11 sudete wrote: Very surreal to see protoss players all simultaneously slumping No idear how that could ever happen either | ||
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deacon.frost
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On May 13 2020 19:12 Penev wrote: It did but I don't think Bunny was as far behind as Tastosis made it out to be He would be had Trap have his detection | ||
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Mozdk
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On May 13 2020 19:11 pvsnp wrote: If Trap can't even beat Bunny, Maru and Inno will eat him alive. Well he can beat Bunny. He just didn't this time. | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 13 2020 19:13 Mozdk wrote: Well he can beat Bunny. He just didn't this time. The first two games weren't exactly a showcase of skill either. | ||
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Phredxor
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On May 13 2020 19:12 deacon.frost wrote: so let's recount our Protoss players who can play this game on a code s level. Dear. That's it. Uh... fuck. edit> maybe zest, but I count on him to disappoint. We talking 2020 Code S level? Or 2013 Code S level? | ||
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darklycid
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On May 13 2020 19:12 Olli wrote: Now I'm not one to balance whine + Show Spoiler + but that was completely on Trap and not on balance Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/ | ||
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Fango
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On May 13 2020 19:11 pvsnp wrote: If Trap can't even beat Bunny, Maru and Inno will eat him alive. Maru would still rate his as S tier and be worried about playing him. I think both Zest, Rag, and INno would rather play soO/PartinG/Bunny than Trap. | ||
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Z3nith
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He's made the final of one offline premier which is exactly the same as his 2019 and he's in a group with Inno and Maru. | ||
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Morbidius
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On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct? Trap just had to take the worst engagement possible and he did it so there's that. | ||
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dbRic1203
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On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct? What analysis? They were talking bad "jokes" half way thrue.. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:13 Morbidius wrote: Defensive players like Trap are getting hit extra hard tho. He just had to eat several mines and delay the attack because he had no detection while knowing Bunny plays bio mine. He literally forced an attack in a bad position while giving Terran free kills on zealots while Terran spread into concave with mostly marauders against stalkers(lulz) and colossi(lulz). Trap commited a game suicide live. | ||
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darklycid
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On May 13 2020 19:14 Fango wrote: Maru would still rate his as S tier and be worried about playing him. I think both Zest, Rag, and INno would rather play soO/PartinG/Bunny than Trap. I don't know as a zerg playing trap over parting/soO doesn't sound too bad :D | ||
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Fango
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On May 13 2020 19:11 sudete wrote: Very surreal to see protoss players all simultaneously slumping That's what happens when Stats, Classic, and herO all simultaneously retire | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 13 2020 19:12 dbRic1203 wrote: Nah, wasn t looking to hot before either in my oppinion.. I mean, maybe not complete master but he was consistently 1 base and 2 upgrades ahead. He was out on the map and teching to the right splash. There were a lot of ways it could go right for him but he chose pretty much the only way it could go wrong. | ||
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Olli
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On May 13 2020 19:14 darklycid wrote: Yeah, trap rly didn't play too well after a pretty perfect early game :/ Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies. | ||
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starkiller123
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On May 13 2020 19:14 Morbidius wrote: Trap just had to take the worst engagement possible and he did it so there's that. Clearly they should have predicted that Trap would run his zealots straight into 6 mines lol | ||
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DBooN
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On May 13 2020 19:14 Morbidius wrote: Trap just had to take the worst engagement possible and he did it so there's that. He was also consistently equal in workers and when he was ahead in upgrades he was 30 supply behind while Bunny had ghosts. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On May 13 2020 19:13 Phredxor wrote: We talking 2020 Code S level? Or 2013 Code S level? we talking about top level which wasn't shown by Trap vs Bunny, let's say RO8+ 2019/2020 Code S | ||
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Fango
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On May 13 2020 19:14 Z3nith wrote: He's made the final of one offline premier which is exactly the same as his 2019 and he's in a group with Inno and Maru. Except he didn't make the finals of anything in 2019. | ||
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darklycid
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On May 13 2020 19:15 Olli wrote: Well, he played pretty well until that fight. The only thing I can fault him for is maybe not teching to storm quickly enough, but I assume he expected Bunny to hit earlier and didn't want to tech too aggressively. Think he could have anyway, though. Bunny wasn't looking great economically and if he attacks before his own 2/2 he just dies. His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On May 13 2020 19:12 DBooN wrote: Man, what happened to Tastosis, is their analysis just praising the guy that should be better, while hoping he accordingly wins and makes them look correct? Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something. | ||
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Fango
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On May 13 2020 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something. 'recently' lol | ||
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starkiller123
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On May 13 2020 19:17 darklycid wrote: His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late. It looked like he was getting ready for some sort of push that never came and then he didn’t have the right tech/army? Idk | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:17 darklycid wrote: His worker count also wasn't too great tho no? not rly above 60 for a long time and then only going up to 64 and i felt the 4th was kinda late. That's for the same reason. I'm not sure he ever saw Bunny's 4th either as Bunny didn't build it on location and had a missile turret there so an observer wouldn't have caught it. I'm not sure but I think it was also built after the last zealot runby so he didn't see it that way. | ||
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That fight would've obviously turned out differently if that were the case but Tastosis definitely exaggerated how much Bunny was behind | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something. That's what happen when you like BW more and you focus more on BW and less on SC2(not that I blame them). Also the terrible gamer shit all the series was... stupid. OK, fix that, is. Somebody should tell them to finally stop this nonsense. | ||
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Zealously
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On May 13 2020 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something. Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant? Because I distinctly remember them taking entire series to banter while spending minimal time on high-action moments and nothing else within the game. It's not new. | ||
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NotSoHappy
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On May 13 2020 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something. Thats it, this game is dead. Artosis is not even streaming sc2, just bw | ||
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Olli
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On May 13 2020 19:19 Zealously wrote: Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant? Artosis is still a good commentator and he knows a lot about the game still. I think you can really tell when he talks to pros or casts with other commentators. No comment on Tasteless. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:18 Olli wrote: That's for the same reason. I'm not sure he ever saw Bunny's 4th either as Bunny didn't build it on location and had a missile turret there so an observer wouldn't have caught it. I'm not sure but I think it was also built after the last zealot runby so he didn't see it that way. THe last zealot runby saw it, it was like 15-ish % done. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:17 BerserkSword wrote: Tastetosis game SC2 knowledge seemed to drop of a cliff recently. They are still entertaining but if u compare it to their BW casts or older SC2 cast, it seems to me that they don't even follow the meta-game anymore or something. I feel like Artosis is still up to date, while Tasteless doesn t know any more than a b tier caster. He s living in the past and makes that up by talking off topic, wich I don t find too entertaining. For example when Craighton Olsen had to replace him once, it was obvious, he had less knowledge, but cast was still fine to me. But these forced jokes are pretty lame in my oppinion | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 13 2020 19:19 Olli wrote: Artosis is still a good commentator and he knows a lot about the game still. No comment on Tasteless. The difference between ASL Tasteless and GSL Tasteless is stark. | ||
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Sooooloo | ||
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deacon.frost
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On May 13 2020 19:19 Olli wrote: Artosis is still a good commentator and he knows a lot about the game still. I think you can really tell when he talks to pros or casts with other commentators. No comment on Tasteless. Oh, he knows a lot. But yet we ended we 3 games full of commentary about some gamer video and gamer shit. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:19 Zealously wrote: Regardless of whether or not this is true, people have been saying this consistently for (at least) 7 years. Is it possible that your understanding of the game has improved, while their commentary has remained constant? Because I distinctly remember them taking entire series to banter while spending minimal time on high-action moments and nothing else within the game. It's not new. I don't think so. They never represented the pinnacle of game knowledge but it seems much worse this year or something. Maybe it's because I started watching BW again | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:21 pvsnp wrote: soO with the blind counter so good. Its not a blind counter. In fact, if you dont scout the proxy pylon, you get boned harder than the standard hatch first. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:23 DieuCure wrote: GSL is getting poor. Did you not hear that AfreecaTV are importing large amounts of French delicacies to corner the international cheese market? | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:23 Mozdk wrote: Ehm. They are wrong. Parting can't win. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:25 Zealously wrote: soO absolutely fuming right now No hard feelings, build order loss :D | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:26 Teoita wrote: That was gorgeous <3 I'm so happy right now Of course you would be watching this | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:25 Olli wrote: This is what gives us decent Protoss a bad name parting's cannon rush vs dark in iem was probably the best SC2 micro ive seen this year | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:25 Olli wrote: This is what gives us decent Protoss a bad name You not accepting all of your race is what allowed protoss hatred to flourish  | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:26 Teoita wrote: That was gorgeous <3 I'm so happy right now You are a GOD | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:27 Mozdk wrote: Gas before gate. No scout. Auch Now its the BO win for soO! | ||
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12p vs 2gate in natural in game 3 | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:29 yht9657 wrote: Highest skill era The best games! don't forget that! | ||
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DieuCure
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On May 13 2020 19:24 Zealously wrote: Did you not hear that AfreecaTV are importing large amounts of French delicacies to corner the international cheese market? Oh, that's why more than 7minutes games are lava ! | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:30 Fango wrote: 'SC2 is a mechanical game first, strategy game second' Calling a cannon rush/12 pool strategy offends me. | ||
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On May 13 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Am i allowed to say this game is looking terrible? We will reach WoL levels if this keeps up. PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it. | ||
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Olli
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On May 13 2020 19:30 Nebuchad wrote: PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it. A patch that mostly affects TvZ | ||
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I didn't say they were competent. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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On May 13 2020 19:29 Morbidius wrote: Am i allowed to say this game is looking terrible? We will reach WoL levels if this keeps up. The ESL cups have had some great SC2. The last 4 renditions of Clem vs Reynor have been fun. But GSL is looking pretty atrocious can't argue there. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:30 Nebuchad wrote: PvZ has been terrible for a while. That's why they've made a patch for it. I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club. | ||
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dbRic1203
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There was an atempt | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12161 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:31 deacon.frost wrote: I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club. I mean, that isn't true, the patch does affect PvZ. It's true that it makes terran too strong right now but all the changes won't go through and PvZ is more important right now. | ||
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Fango
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I'll take any zerg nerfs they're offering tbh | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:31 deacon.frost wrote: I wonder how that patch will shape the protoss players because so far it looks abysmal and people are starting to look for the sad zealot club. It's here: https://tl.net/forum/fan-clubs/267497-the-sad-zealot-fan-club But pleaaaaaseeeee don't revive it | ||
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Ej_
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It usually does followup with the 2 base lair, with speed roach/nydus/muta etc | ||
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DieuCure
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Mozdk
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 19:33 Mozdk wrote: soO going nydus. He'll die before that right? This build smashes adept all-ins if you just scout and cut drones | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
Here's how it works: Terrans defeat Zergs in tournaments. Protoss therefore don't play as many Zergs, so they don't lose to them as much. Therefore a TvZ buff is also a PvZ buff. Genius. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:32 Nebuchad wrote: I mean, that isn't true, the patch does affect PvZ. It's true that it makes terran too strong right now but all the changes won't go through and PvZ is more important right now. I think you missed quoted, i didn't say anythign about the quality of the patch, more of the fact p players drop like flies everywhere. On May 13 2020 19:32 Olli wrote: It's here: https://tl.net/forum/fan-clubs/267497-the-sad-zealot-fan-club But pleaaaaaseeeee don't revive it Is that a challenge? :} | ||
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Ej_
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E: parting starts blink in anticipation | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12161 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:35 deacon.frost wrote: I think you missed quoted, i didn't say anythign about the quality of the patch, more of the fact p players drop like flies everywhere. I thought you meant the patch in "so far [it] (the patch) looks abysmal", my mistake. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:34 Teoita wrote: Here's how it works: Terrans defeat Zergs in tournaments. Protoss therefore don't play as many Zergs, so they don't lose to them as much. Therefore a TvZ buff is also a PvZ buff. Genius. That kind of makes sense + Show Spoiler + if we ignore the mine buff and oracle nerf in the matchup | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:37 Nebuchad wrote: I thought you meant the patch in "so far [it] (the patch) looks abysmal", my mistake. Ah, yeah, should have written 'they look abysmal' instead of it, my bad./ | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12161 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Going from a game in which only T and Z can win tournaments to a game where only T can won't be an improvement... | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 19:40 Nebuchad wrote: Parting is so good, imagine the level he'd have if he didn't fuck off to China for two years ffs. Probably one of the biggest 3 wastes of potential in SC2. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 19:41 Elentos wrote: Probably one of the biggest 3 wastes of potential in SC2. Ok we know who is #1. Is #2 FruitDealer? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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umelbumel
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:41 Elentos wrote: Probably one of the biggest 3 wastes of potential in SC2. #1 Life's matchfixing #2 Mvp's wrist problems. #3 Parting trying to go pro on shitty games. | ||
Waxangel
United States33350 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:43 starkiller123 wrote: This game is actually good lol, imagine that it's good if until you see FF's wreck Zerg with minimal counterplay for the 50th time; then it's just WoL/HotS | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Lorning
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pvsnp
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Well my Liquibets got srewd allready | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:44 pvsnp wrote: I'm not normally a fan of Parting, but damn that was impressive as hell. I was also never a fan of him, but since he's on DPG I'm now obliged to cheer for him and actually find his games more and more fun. :D | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12161 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much. Maybe but just about anyone else would have died to the zerg push on the third as far as I know. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 19:44 darklycid wrote: I still don't think ravager bane of this position is the answer to this army. Esp. not if you go off creep so much. Not like you can just switch to hydra lurker viper with a snap of your fingers. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:44 Waxangel wrote: it's good if until you see FF's wreck Zerg with minimal counterplay for the 50th time; then it's just WoL/HotS I don’t know after 4 years of ravagers erasing forcefielfs I can appreciate good sentry use again | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly. None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. | ||
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darklycid
3460 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:46 Ej_ wrote: Not like you can just switch to hydra lurker viper with a snap of your fingers. Yeah but you got +2 range first couldnt you go roach ravager hydra First then? | ||
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Fango
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darklycid
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On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote: None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. MC. | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 19:45 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Parting has a real shot to top this group :O It's not like PartinG has any good options for the Ro8 though | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote: None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. Byun is the Terran version of Parting Parting is the micro GOAT | ||
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 19:47 darklycid wrote: Yeah but you got +2 range first couldnt you go roach ravager hydra First then? That's really garbage vs stalker/immortal and potential disruptors | ||
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starkiller123
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Not even close. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:43 Morbidius wrote: #1 Life's matchfixing #2 Mvp's wrist problems. #3 Parting trying to go pro on shitty games. TY and Maru picking Terran instead of Zerg, what a waste ! User was warned for this post | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote: Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly. Classic, herO or Stats would be able to do it. But two are in the army and Stats is preparing for departure. | ||
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NExt
Australia1651 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:46 starkiller123 wrote: I don’t know after 4 years of ravagers erasing forcefielfs I can appreciate good sentry use again ^^ soo good to see it! THEBIGBOY has a real shot now! | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Classic, herO or Stats would be able to do it. But two are in the army and Stats is preparing for departure. I don’t think Stats would be in position like that in the majority of his games though | ||
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darklycid
3460 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:48 Ej_ wrote: That's really garbage vs stalker/immortal and potential disruptors Dont think it's garbo vs Stalker Immo and you can Switch into banes when you have the upgrades, then Hydra bane maybe. | ||
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NotSoHappy
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On May 13 2020 19:45 Nebuchad wrote: Maybe but just about anyone else would have died to the zerg push on the third as far as I know. that felt like 1 missplaced FF would cost him the game | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:49 starkiller123 wrote: I don’t think Stats would be in position like that in the majority of his games though I agree, but he has the micro to do it. While it's mostly overlooked he has top micro. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote: None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote: None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. He actually is. Both won blizzcon of a strategy that was pretty much unbeatable if micro'd perfectly (and they both happened to be the best players at micro'ing it). Both also have | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:48 BerserkSword wrote: Byun is the Terran version of Parting Parting is the micro GOAT nah | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 13 2020 19:50 NotSoHappy wrote: that felt like 1 missplaced FF would cost him the game It probably would have. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:48 deacon.frost wrote: Classic, herO or Stats would be able to do it. But two are in the army and Stats is preparing for departure. With Zest not getting younger we will not see a lot of P for the next three years except Dear Parting and Trap. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:50 neutralrobot wrote: I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time. It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day | ||
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Fuell
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:48 BerserkSword wrote: Byun is the Terran version of Parting Parting is the micro GOAT Micro GOAT can't win a GSL? | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 19:52 pvsnp wrote: Man watching this makes me so glad that infested terrans are gone. With ITs gone Trap would for sure take 1 game in Bo7. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:52 Fango wrote: It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:52 pvsnp wrote: Man watching this makes me so glad that infested terrans are gone. Instead we get to witness the glory of microbial shroud! /s Honestly I don’t even know what the spell looks like | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:54 starkiller123 wrote: Instead we get to witness the glory of microbial shroud! /s Honestly I don’t even know what the spell looks like It looks pretty much like Dark Swarm. But unlike Dark Swarm, it's useless. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:54 starkiller123 wrote: Instead we get to witness the glory of microbial shroud! /s Honestly I don’t even know what the spell looks like Honestly I don't care. A game without mass infestors is a better game. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote: Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. At times when Maru was still a kid though. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:55 Elentos wrote: It looks pretty much like Dark Swarm. But unlike Dark Swarm, it's useless. Hey, that's not true. It's the 'storm here' marker! | ||
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Elentos
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ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:55 Elentos wrote: It looks pretty much like Dark Swarm. But unlike Dark Swarm, it's useless. In my TvZ games I just 3 base bio all in every game so lategame is very rare place | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote: Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote: Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote: ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. ByuN needed every other player to think their careers were over and not bother. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote: ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. The meta was basically him. | ||
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DBooN
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:58 Ej_ wrote: I remember how angry people were when Parting schooled Maru in GSL with 1 stalker hahaha PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:59 Elentos wrote: Bunny can be such a fun player in macro games with his drop until someone drops dead playstyle. That fun is kinda wasted when he decides to play cheesy. Yeah he’s a Terran after my own heart, only bio and yolo dropping | ||
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Elentos
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Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:00 Fango wrote: PartinG beat Maru so often because he was the only player who realised Maru went 2 rax in the second game of every series. He even said it in interviews. See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:01 Elentos wrote: Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 20:01 pvsnp wrote: See how Maru's evolved over the years? Now it's not always 2 rax that gets proxied. I thought you were gonna say "Now it's not always the 2nd game" | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote: Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:01 Elentos wrote: Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. You couldn't win macro TvZ as we could see with TY v Dark. But most of KR Z went full roach ravager only. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote: Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote: Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me I think people like to forget most of 2016 cause the 2nd half of the year meta wise was unbelievably bad and the ByuN return story is one of the few things they can salvage in positive manner. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:02 Elentos wrote: I thought you were gonna say "Now it's not always the 2nd game" Wasn't there one GSL finals in 2018 where Maru literally proxied every game? | ||
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 20:04 DieuCure wrote: You couldn't win macro TvZ as we could see with TY v Dark. But most of KR Z went full roach ravager only. If only idiot Korean players played like Dark! | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 20:04 DieuCure wrote: You couldn't win macro TvZ as we could see with TY v Dark. But most of KR Z went full roach ravager only. A quote about the state of TvZ in 2016 from TY, the man himself: "The only time I ever reached 90% winrate against a race in practice was against Zerg in 2016" | ||
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 20:05 starkiller123 wrote: What was that small icy map called in 2016? The one with the weird low area in the middle with a choke on each end, that one always looked agonizing for the Zerg against reaper builds Frozen Temple | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
There were two ZvZ finals during KR offline events. | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 20:05 pvsnp wrote: Wasn't there one GSL finals in 2018 where Maru literally proxied every game? He never did every game but he did 5 out of 7 games against TY. | ||
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starkiller123
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:05 pvsnp wrote: Wasn't there one GSL finals in 2018 where Maru literally proxied every game? He proxied in 5/7 games. Including the first four in a row | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
What a terrible map | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 13 2020 20:08 TheOneAboveU wrote: Never have I been more annoyed by the missing health bars. Let me see how much damage those storms did, please. Let me see what exactly those EMPs hit, please. I saw those archons going forward and then they just vanished and I was like wtf. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:04 Ej_ wrote: Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row. Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:57 Fango wrote: But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss. Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
2016 also had Dasan Station whatever the fuck that map was. | ||
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:10 deacon.frost wrote: I'm ju8st surprised that of these players the best one looks to be Parting xD Also JAGW training house powah... Practising on the NA ladder was the secret super power all along. On May 13 2020 20:09 pvsnp wrote: I saw those archons going forward and then they just vanished and I was like wtf. Yeah it makes the fights absolutely unreadable. And I don't care if production thinks it's more exciting this way. It's just stupid. | ||
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 20:09 Morbidius wrote: Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 20:09 Morbidius wrote: Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. There was only 1 Zerg in the GSL Ro8 that entire year. Dark was a heavy outlier for most of the year. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote: Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? Terran has never been good, apparently | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
GG Parting. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:10 Fango wrote: 2016 also had Dasan Station whatever the fuck that map was. 2016 had some truly shit maps, we went from pretty good 2015 maps back into the dark ages of early sc2 maps. It was pretty crazy | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote: Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? He was the only one Terran reaching finals. Be serious please. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote: Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? How many titles did other Terrans get in that time period in big tournaments? Or at WCS? Or any other multiple terran acomplishment? Similarily 2016 and Dark | ||
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Ej_
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On May 13 2020 20:13 DieuCure wrote: He was the only one Terran reaching finals. Be serious please. Contrary to Zergs dominating the GSL :D? | ||
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:13 Ej_ wrote: Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months For real, Rain as far as i remember started to cheese once he got caught he only macroes and got hard countered | ||
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 20:10 pvsnp wrote: Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones. Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk. Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:12 Elentos wrote: There was only 1 Zerg in the GSL Ro8 that entire year. Dark was a heavy outlier for most of the year. And SSL was full of Z with a ZvZ finals during Cross-finals, but yes, Zerg was so bad that the guy ending the hegemony had to cheese every game. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:13 Ej_ wrote: Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever. | ||
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Parting entertains us well | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:15 Zealously wrote: I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever. Meanwhile Zerg just a moves banelings /s | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Maru was simply further ahead of other terrans than PartinG was to other protoss. PartinG was the best with a composition that was already strong/meta, it's less impressive than working with compositions that were unplayable for anyone else. Let alone actually dominating/being the best terran with that composition. Maru was smashing toss with biomine before mines got buffed to actually be good against protoss. Playing no viking against collosus and winning purely by micro'ing his units that well. He used to do all kinds of crazy shit like splitting his units so collosus could only hit one marauder each, grabbing peices of his army mid engagement to snipe them down, even kiting only the specific units that chargelots locked onto so the rest of his army could max DPS. | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 13 2020 20:14 Elentos wrote: Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk. Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings. All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:17 starkiller123 wrote: Meanwhile Zerg just a moves banelings /s I mean it's a bit like how people would scratch their heads wondering why sOs' insane cheeses would work so often or why people would consistently be caught off-guard by Life's zergling backstabs. There are a lot of tiny details that separate players even if it looks at a glance like everyone's doing more or less the same thing but with different results. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote: Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:18 Fango wrote: Maru was simply further ahead of other terrans than PartinG was to other protoss. PartinG was the best with a composition that was already strong/meta, it's less impressive than working with compositions that were unplayable for anyone else. Let alone actually dominating/being the best terran with that composition. Except when protoss is really strong, all the things that can win games as protoss are meta. What you demand of protosses to get to the level of Maru is impossible. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:20 Fango wrote: I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016? | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:19 pvsnp wrote: All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore. Why spend 36 supply on colossi when you could instead have 36 supply of 3 different types of AOE that all need to be reacted to? Meanwhile PartinG has forgotten he started the game with a DT drop. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:20 Elentos wrote: Why spend 36 supply on colossi when you could instead have 36 supply of 3 different types of AOE that all need to be reacted to? Meanwhile PartinG has forgotten he started the game with a DT drop. Only the colossus shoots lasers, this should be reason enough | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:15 Zealously wrote: I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever. To be fair the top games of Maru was Maru attacking at 3 fronts, or from 3 screens at the same time so the observers couldn't handle it even with the better observing thingies of HotS. Rarely any Protoss did this on the scale of Maru or at least less intensive Terrans. it's not about them not doing it, it's them doing it less. Imagine Parting from PvT WoL when he was rampaging Terrans with the templar openings. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:13 Ej_ wrote: Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months Lets ignore a few minutes ago when I said the title of best micro of all time is literally between PartinG and Maru, or when I've said PartinG is the best PvT player of all time bar none. Also I called Rain a cheesy protoss? | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:20 Ej_ wrote: Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016? There were two GSL only, and SSL was a Z thing, and so was the Cross-finals finals. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote: Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:20 Ej_ wrote: Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016? Your point being? I said literally 10 minutes ago that zerg was trash in 2016 yet no one talks about it. What are you trying to get at here | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:23 Elentos wrote: At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected. 3 upgrades? What's the 3rd? | ||
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Medivac speed | ||
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Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused. | ||
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Oh shit you're right. Since microbial shroud is free I guess that's the most useless upgrade in the game now. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:23 Fango wrote: Your point being? I said literally 10 minutes ago that zerg was trash in 2016 yet no one talks about it. What are you trying to get at here Point being thats it's fucking stupid to bring up 1 person results to justify wgatever balance agenda you have which is what I directly illustrated, but then you still argued with my obvious mockery. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:25 Elentos wrote: Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused. It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway) | ||
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He looked really strong today though, without a doubt. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:26 darklycid wrote: Still i think parting got really lucky, he got a relatively easy group and dodged the one player he'd probably lose to. I think everybody in group A and C got lucky. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:26 Fango wrote: It looks good on paper but no one plays a heavy drop style anymore, let alone post 10 minutes when you're actually gonna have time to get a fusion core and research it (which you'd get after lib range anyway) It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something. | ||
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Yeah except Dark he needed no luck. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:25 Ej_ wrote: Point being thats it's fucking stupid to bring up 1 person results to justify wgatever balance agenda you have which is what I directly illustrated, but then you still argued with my obvious mockery. My mistake, I lost track of the comment chain and just assumed you were whining about zerg | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:28 BerserkSword wrote: dude just shouted out patience lol ... that would explain a lot. | ||
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From openly stating that any nerf to Zerg is welcome and that it doesn't matter how bad the games look as long as a Terran wins to declaring that Maru and TY would have won more if they picked Zerg, not to mention doubting peak PartinG's micro and saying that Byun won because no one else cared about the game. Also, if you don't like this season of Code S I'd suggest you to watch online cups, which are producing very good games at the moment. I am at least glad people are starting to acknowledge that Protoss is not in a good spot at the moment with how hard PvZ(still) is. About this group, go PartinGod! | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:28 BerserkSword wrote: dude just shouted out patience lol Reminder that Patience used to be a top player. What a downward spiral he went into. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:28 Elentos wrote: It increases the base movement speed of medivacs on top of lowering boost cooldown. Has its uses in late game where you'd usually lose all your medivacs to A-moved corruptors or something. Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib. It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:31 Elentos wrote: "I want to play against RagnaroK" is probably a feeling mirrored by almost everyone left in the tournament. Chuckles in Maru | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:30 Fango wrote: Well tbh most terrans don't really play the lategame to begin with. And fi they do they'd probably only have 4-5 medivacs left and put most production into viking/lib. It's true that it's proabably userused but I don't think it makes or breaks any game if you choose to get it or not. Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:29 Elentos wrote: Reminder that Patience used to be a top player. What a downward spiral he went into. I can think of at least one Code S Protoss this season worse than Patience  | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:33 Zealously wrote: I can think of at least one Code S Protoss this season worse than Patience I can't think of any Protoss in Code S this season who'd lose to TOP. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:33 Zealously wrote: I can think of at least one Code S Protoss this season worse than Patience Rip Creator | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:34 Elentos wrote: I can't think of any Protoss in Code S this season who'd lose to TOP. I cant think of anyone who would lose to TOP | ||
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Well I know how you play so there's 1. | ||
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Yeah but he doesn't and that's the key. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:32 Elentos wrote: Well I was comparing it to DT blink so that kinda goes without saying Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show. | ||
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Sometimes I wonder if even you know how you play. | ||
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Let alone a TOP who hasn't played in 7 months | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:37 pvsnp wrote: Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show. I think so. You always go DTs in the lategame so anyone not getting blink is making a mistake | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:37 pvsnp wrote: Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show. PvT lategame has abandoned tempests because they are pretty crap and abusing mobility with disruptors is just better. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:37 pvsnp wrote: Isn't DT blink standard PvT lategame now? Instead of tempests once Terran get a bunch of libs. Or at least Harstem was saying that on the pylon show. After being entirely underused ever since it was added to the game it's finally found its spot. So it does have that going for itself, it only took 3 years to get to a point medivac upgrades haven't reached in 10. Although whether people would still go DT blink if tempests were still decent in late game is another matter entirely. | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:46 Elentos wrote: So I guess this is not the tournament soO redeems himself in for slacking off ever since winning IEM last year? if you cannot win against Traps' PvZ ... then you're doomed | ||
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or is it just a soO match day ? | ||
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On May 13 2020 20:59 DBooN wrote: soO sucks Trap not too hot either, I think Bunny has this | ||
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Or Trap just came in with hangover? | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:03 darklycid wrote: I think trap will win the rematch, so we get 3 toss in ro8 and the balance patch is cancelled The balance patch will be readjusted to buff Zerg cause Dark is alone in the Ro8 | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:05 Fango wrote: What are Rag's chances at advancing from group D? Under normal circumstances I'd say lower than 5%. But this GSL seems kind of cursed in some ways. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:06 Elentos wrote: Under normal circumstances I'd say lower than 5%. But this GSL seems kind of cursed in some ways. Depends how good Ragnarok actually is now. He was a solid player last year but most zergs were. INno also has a pretty poor record in GSL group stages for a player who's considered up there with the GOATs. Zest looks solid though I guess | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:08 Fango wrote: Depends how good Ragnarok actually is now. He was a solid player last year but most zergs were. INno also has a pretty poor record in GSL group stages for a player who's considered up there with the GOATs. Zest looks solid though I guess I mean let's be real group D is a group that no Zerg player on the planet can be confident to get out of. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:11 Nebuchad wrote: The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast. Foreigners are basically 1 race historically (Protoss and especially Terran success are outliers) while Koreans are way more even across with variance depending on metas. But I feel like it just so happens that the historically best foreigner race is the historically weakest Korean race. Inverse skill | ||
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Terran being dominant in korea and seemingly unplayable outside it will always be baffling, though. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Life decided to get arrested. Listen I'm pretty sure if he'd had the choice he would have preferred to get away with it. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Zerg was close to being the strongest korean race but soO/Dark like to choke and Life decided to get arrested. Terran being dominant in korea and seemingly unplayable outside it will always be baffling, though. Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:16 darklycid wrote: Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho. Until LAN comes back or Serral decides to compete in online tournaments that is. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:16 darklycid wrote: Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho. Looking pretty good in Korea too. Might be an overall trend! | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:16 darklycid wrote: Currently terran is looking pretty goodish outside of korea tho. Until the big offline events happen again and all the decent non-Korean Terrans finally remind everyone that they have no clutch factor. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:18 Fango wrote: Until LAN comes back or Serral decides to compete in online tournaments that is. Serral tried once and got beaten by Clem so he doesn't anymore | ||
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stilt
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On May 13 2020 21:11 Nebuchad wrote: The gap in race results between foreigners and Koreans is one of the most interesting things about SC2. It's not difficult to explain but it's a stark contrast. Indeed, it's quite crazy. It's hard to explain why there is such a contrast at the source but since 2012, it feels easier for a eu zerg to be on top just because there are a lot of them at a very good/top level which is good for talent pool/sharing of info. Even if you're talking about meta/efficient comp, there are large differences. Korean Zergs refused to use infestor for a long time (players like Kyrix even thought it was not viable). And it's the same for turtle sh, only eu zergs really used it, Soulkey didn't really go full turtle mod and other zergs like soO/Byul prefered suiciding mass BL/ultra to the 4pop, 15 range ground/air tempest until Life used it at the end of 2014 after losing badly to Zest in Toronto. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:18 darklycid wrote: Serral tried once and got beaten by Clem so he doesn't anymore Meanwhile anyone who only watches offline events and not online cups will never have heard of Clem | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:18 Die4Ever wrote: lol apparently Tasteless doesn't know anything about animals Well listen, I don't know what Tasteless does at home off-stream, but if he says bunny tails can fall off I'm not gonna question that. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:20 Olli wrote: Tasteless is actually wrong, some animals do have detachable tails He said ears that time though. | ||
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He said "anything like that", I count that as wrong still | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:20 Olli wrote: Tasteless is actually wrong, some animals do have detachable tails Furries aren't real animals. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:20 Penev wrote: would be amazing if we'd be able to get both milk and eggs from chickens As someone who's been around chickens for over 20 years, I'd rather society didn't depend entirely on such absolutely idiotic animals | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:20 Penev wrote: would be amazing if we'd be able to get both milk and eggs from chickens May I introduce you to the platypus? | ||
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Shut up you furry | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:20 Olli wrote: Tasteless is actually wrong, some animals do have detachable tails Yeah it's really common in lizards, some of them even grow back | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On May 13 2020 21:18 Elentos wrote: Until the big offline events happen again and all the decent non-Korean Terrans finally remind everyone that they have no clutch factor. Clutch factor wasn't what they missed overall, they were just behind... I feel like the current foreigner T have never been as strong as they are now, even if Lucifron/Thorzain were amazing. | ||
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Why not? It's only their sting that is venomous. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On May 13 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window. There is also Gas and Minerals coming out of your roof, so you might have different problems entirely. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:23 stilt wrote: Clutch factor wasn't what they missed overall, they were just behind... I feel like the current foreigner T have never been as strong as they are now, even if Lucifron/Thorzain were amazing. No I'm literally talking about the ones that are good now. Not the ones who used to be. They're a group of people who performs best before all the chips are down and then crumble under the pressure. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:23 Elentos wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments or working maintenance on this map and you just hear angry zealot yelling as debris flies by the window. Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments and getting your electricity cut off by some prick ghost throwing EMPs | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:25 Durnuu wrote: Imagine being a guy living in one of the apartments and getting your electricity cut off by some prick ghost throwing EMPs Fortunately it only happens when Korean Terrans play | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:25 Ej_ wrote: Fortunately it only happens when Korean Terrans play Non-Korean Terrans play far more macro TvP I find. Korean meta is more aggressive. Also is "I don't think this position is breakable" a top 3 Tastosis statement moments before the game ends? | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:19 stilt wrote: Indeed, it's quite crazy. It's hard to explain why there is such a contrast at the source but since 2012, it feels easier for a eu zerg to be on top just because there are a lot of them at a very good/top level which is good for talent pool/sharing of info. Even if you're talking about meta/efficient comp, there are large differences. Korean Zergs refused to use infestor for a long time (players like Kyrix even thought it was not viable). And it's the same for turtle sh, only eu zergs really used it, Soulkey didn't really go full turtle mod and other zergs like soO/Byul prefered suiciding mass BL/ultra to the 4pop, 15 range ground/air tempest until Life used it at the end of 2014 after losing badly to Zest in Toronto. I don't think it's that hard to explain. It's about a strategy being easier to do than to counter. To know that this strategy is OP, you have to have developed it to its full potential. But you would only do that if you win most of your games with it, like the Europeans did, because their opponents were a bit weaker and couldn't beat the unrefined versions of the build. In Korea you would do the roach into broodlord infestor build and then you'd die, a lot, because you didn't know how to do the build perfectly yet and the opponent was PartinG. So instead you'd do builds that are a little bit safer against PartinG, but weaker overall because they don't get to the OP composition as fast. I get why Jonnyrecco would figure out how to do this perfectly and HyuN wouldn't. They had different incentives based on population. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:25 Elentos wrote: No I'm literally talking about the ones that are good now. Not the ones who used to be. They're a group of people who performs best before all the chips are down and then crumble under the pressure. HM is just super solid and stable, Special managed to get great results, I don't think they lose because they crumbled under pressure. Soul and maybe Uthermal correspond a bit more to your description I guess. And Clem might be a bit shaky sometimes but he seems to have pass a signficant landmark, I might be biaised toward my fellow countryman but he seems sharper than last year and I have good expectations for this year. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:28 TheOneAboveU wrote: Also, the existence of these destructible debris fields in the middle of the city is a damning statement to the recycling attitude of these people. It's not Naples level of non-functioning trash transport, but it's not exactly great. well at least when you shoot at it it eventually dissipates into nothingness | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:32 darklycid wrote: Imagine Bunny having good multitasking and not f2 his army to the top where some zealots were. Or him splitting! | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:33 Durnuu wrote: Wow Trap vetoing Obsidian, damn jin air scum Someone should host a separate GSL playoff tournament between all the players who didn't veto Obsidian. And make every map Obsidian. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote: On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8 Just you wait for Rag to top group D | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:36 Fango wrote: On the plus side Dark's looking to join the elite club of winning while being the only player of your race in the ro8 And the club of GSL champions with destroyed wrists. But if Dark plays like in the Ro16 he has no hope of winning this tournament. | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:37 Elentos wrote: And the club of GSL champions with destroyed wrists. But if Dark plays like in the Ro16 he has no hope of winning this tournament. Pretty sure only Terrans can have broken wrists, hardest race literally chess btw | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:40 Shuffleblade wrote: Wat, is the WM cloak while burrowed even after firing already in the live game? Nah, Cure researched drillin claws edit: Bunny, although Cure did the same build | ||
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On May 13 2020 21:41 deacon.frost wrote: Most games that go a decent while end with toss having at least 2 robos.BTW how dead is 2 robo PvT? To spam observers from one and uinits from the other? | ||
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darklycid
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Elentos
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Penev
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On May 13 2020 21:49 Fuell wrote: Bunny's micro is kinda off His anti-disruptor micro is a disaster honestly. Bit of a shame, he could have won this game. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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darklycid
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Penev
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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darklycid
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 21:52 Penev wrote: Parting played well, the rest not so much Trap and Bunny tried. soO was there too. | ||
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Elentos
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
He doesn't try to push when he has an advantage and he's really really conservative when it comes to securing bases after the 3rd, but that's probably also due to in part of generally slow reaction times (during all of these TvPs how many times has he lost workers due to a handful of gateway units - it's absurd) and average defense. I think technically he's not bad for defense using the turrets and mine on the edge of his main to completely deny warp prisms. But that last game also showed him lacking the type of creative mindset other than to execute a build. Micro isn't terrible, but it's obvious he just can't deal with Disruptors straight up. If he pushed his advantage after trading and killing those multiple expansions and went parade push bio Maru style, he'd have probably gotten a win. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
group D is in the six AM timeslot again.... | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3829 Posts
On May 13 2020 07:16 catplanetcatplanet wrote: If big boi makes round of 8 i will eat a tater tot Fetch me the god damn tater tots | ||
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ssg
United States1770 Posts
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Penev
28475 Posts
soO didn't even aim for 2nd worst :/ | ||
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Elentos
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On May 13 2020 21:56 ssg wrote: Think Bunny threw that last game. Should have recognized trap was mining somewhere... Didn't even land vikings to use for his army when the Colossi were no longer being made either. They were just worthless flying units offering no offense too. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 13 2020 21:56 ssg wrote: Think Bunny threw that last game. Should have recognized trap was mining somewhere... well that's the issue If Bunny would have: - read the game better - defended multiprong harass better - split his army against aoes better He would be an overall better player. The sad thing is he seems so close to be a better player ... | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On May 13 2020 22:00 yoshi245 wrote: Didn't even land vikings to use for his army when the Colossi were no longer being made either. They were just worthless flying units offering no offense too. He did the signature maneuver of landing the vikings when the rest of his army was already dead to make sure he loses them for free. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On May 13 2020 22:01 deacon.frost wrote: well that's the issue If Bunny would have: - read the game better - defended multiprong harass better - split his army against aoes better He would be an overall better player. The sad thing is he seems so close to be a better player ... He does need to make some real improvements and not only in just mechanical skill but thinking a bit outside his self-imposed box if he wants to make it to that next tier and be a top player. | ||
Poopi
France12792 Posts
Too bad for Bunny, Nice try | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Elentos
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On May 13 2020 22:19 Fuell wrote: No Protoss in top 10 aligulac. Is this merely a coincidence or are they on a low atm? A combination of being a struggling race and just the way Aligulac calculates ELO. E.g. it's pretty much undeniable that Zest is a top 10 player in the world but it's not quite reflected by Aligulac standings. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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ZAWGURN
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On May 13 2020 22:19 Fuell wrote: No Protoss in top 10 aligulac. Is this merely a coincidence or are they on a low atm? Guys, please Dont become as whinney as some other (T) players and even call for buffs, when our Race actually get both advancing spots in the group. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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darklycid
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On May 13 2020 22:52 TentativePanda wrote: Gonna be 1 Zerg in Ro8 and are about to get nerfed haha. Well played T whiners Problem in korea is: the top4 zerg in international events that also often enough populate the top8 of a tournament are: Dark rogue, reynor and serral, while with terran and toss it's mostly the koreans ones (Zest, trap, Dear, Stats vs Inno, Maru, Ty etc) so in korea you only really have Dark and rogue for the consistent top8 (with soO kinda falling after his one iem) and Rogue lost to scarlett in a zvz to go out of the gsl. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On May 13 2020 23:08 darklycid wrote: Problem in korea is: the top4 zerg in international events that also often enough populate the top8 of a tournament are: Dark rogue, reynor and serral, while with terran and toss it's mostly the koreans ones (Zest, trap, Dear, Stats vs Inno, Maru, Ty etc) so in korea you only really have Dark and rogue for the consistent top8 (with soO kinda falling after his one iem) and Rogue lost to scarlett in a zvz to go out of the gsl. I generally agree with you. I just think it’s funny since plenty of P and T point out the Zerg dominated EU scene (which isn’t even true anymore) as factual evidence that Zerg is imba | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2627 Posts
On May 13 2020 22:19 Fuell wrote: No Protoss in top 10 aligulac. Is this merely a coincidence or are they on a low atm? On May 13 2020 22:52 TentativePanda wrote: Gonna be 1 Zerg in Ro8 and are about to get nerfed haha. Well played T whiners Zerg gets nerfs because players say PvZ is broken in favor of zerg. "Those pesky T whiners" | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 14 2020 00:04 Lexender wrote: Zerg gets nerfs because players say PvZ is broken in favor of zerg. "Those pesky T whiners" mindgames of terrans | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On May 14 2020 00:04 Lexender wrote: Zerg gets nerfs because players say PvZ is broken in favor of zerg. "Those pesky T whiners" "Those pesky T whiners " * Also, players can be wrong. Zerg has 38% winrate against Protoss this GSL. Statistics can be misleading. It’s a tough decision but imo balance is in a pretty healthy state | ||
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Aesto
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On May 13 2020 17:04 neutralrobot wrote: Hoping for Trap & Parting. Expecting disappointment. That went well. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25078 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
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On May 15 2020 03:33 Wombat_NI wrote: Does anyone know what the match lead music is for this season by the way? If you're referring to ONE!!! ONE BY ONE!!!! SOON THEY ALL WILL SING THE SONG, here it is: | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25078 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 15 2020 06:44 catplanetcatplanet wrote: If you're referring to ONE!!! ONE BY ONE!!!! SOON THEY ALL WILL SING THE SONG, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaPjl9jYNw Thanks! That was a nice trip back to the 80s Adding HEAT on my playlist. | ||
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