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On May 13 2020 20:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 20:04 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:01 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:59 DieuCure wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:53 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:
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Byun is the Terran version of Parting
Parting is the micro GOAT Micro GOAT can't win a GSL? ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. The meta was basically him. Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row. Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well
Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016?
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On May 13 2020 20:19 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:14 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 20:10 pvsnp wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:52 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:50 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote:
Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly. None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time. It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day  Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss. Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones. Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk. Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings. All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore.
Why spend 36 supply on colossi when you could instead have 36 supply of 3 different types of AOE that all need to be reacted to?
Meanwhile PartinG has forgotten he started the game with a DT drop.
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Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:19 pvsnp wrote:On May 13 2020 20:14 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 20:10 pvsnp wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:52 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:50 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote:
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None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time. It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss. Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Maru was the madlad who fought colossi without Vikings. Not the puny LotV colossi, the chad HotS ones. Current colossus 2 shots marines, they're actually pretty stronk. Of course, the more important function of the colossus is that it causes the Terran to make bad units aka vikings. All I know is that nobody maxes out on 6 colossi anymore. Why spend 36 supply on colossi when you could instead have 36 supply of 3 different types of AOE that all need to be reacted to? Meanwhile PartinG has forgotten he started the game with a DT drop.
Only the colossus shoots lasers, this should be reason enough
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On May 13 2020 20:15 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:13 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:52 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:50 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote:
Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly. None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time. It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss. Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months I think it's generally much harder to distinguish finesse/superior control in Protoss players compared to Terran players. Parting's Soul Train was a masterclass in immortal/sentry control and way better than his peers', but at a glance it didn't look very different from anyone else's similar push. Terran bio makes it much easier to determine which player is better, whereas many Protoss players seem to "just win". At least, that's the conclusion I'm drawing from how people have talked about Protoss players forever.
To be fair the top games of Maru was Maru attacking at 3 fronts, or from 3 screens at the same time so the observers couldn't handle it even with the better observing thingies of HotS. Rarely any Protoss did this on the scale of Maru or at least less intensive Terrans. it's not about them not doing it, it's them doing it less. Imagine Parting from PvT WoL when he was rampaging Terrans with the templar openings.
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On May 13 2020 20:13 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:09 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:54 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:52 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 19:50 neutralrobot wrote:On May 13 2020 19:47 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 19:45 Fuell wrote:
Godly micro, not one forcefield misplaced. I wonder how many top protoss could pull that off so slickly. None, Parting is the Protoss version of Byun. I've said it before, but at his peak, Parting had the best micro of all time. It's between him and Maru, but then people will bring up that PartinG always beat Maru back in the day Yeah, that's the thing. Parting would consistently beat Maru on the strength of his micro. The difference might have seemed tiny sometimes, but it was usually enough. But then you look at the difference in playing TvP vs PvT. What Maru was doing was completely impossible for any other terran, while what PartinG was doing was just better than his fellow protoss. Hmm... I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Parting worked the immortal+sentry micro in ways that literally no other protoss player could, for example. Why is that different from Maru doing things nobody else could? Fango is a guy who called Rain a cheesy Protoss. Do not expect him to remember Parting beating Terrans with his first 3 units while boasting 92% PvT winrste for 6 months
Lets ignore a few minutes ago when I said the title of best micro of all time is literally between PartinG and Maru, or when I've said PartinG is the best PvT player of all time bar none.
Also I called Rain a cheesy protoss?
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On May 13 2020 20:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:20 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 20:04 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:01 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:59 DieuCure wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:53 Morbidius wrote:
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Micro GOAT can't win a GSL? ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. The meta was basically him. Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row. Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016?
There were two GSL only, and SSL was a Z thing, and so was the Cross-finals finals.
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On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote:
Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC
At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
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On May 13 2020 20:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:20 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 20:04 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:01 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:59 DieuCure wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:53 Morbidius wrote:
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Micro GOAT can't win a GSL? ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. The meta was basically him. Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row. Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016?
Your point being? I said literally 10 minutes ago that zerg was trash in 2016 yet no one talks about it. What are you trying to get at here
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On May 13 2020 20:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote:
Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected.
3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
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On May 13 2020 20:24 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:23 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote:
Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected. 3 upgrades? What's the 3rd?
Medivac speed
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On May 13 2020 20:24 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:24 pvsnp wrote:On May 13 2020 20:23 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote:
Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected. 3 upgrades? What's the 3rd? Medivac speed
Which is actually good now and even compared to Shadow Stride it's underused.
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Parting should have this now
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Bunnys multitasking is not up- to match parting.
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On May 13 2020 20:24 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:24 pvsnp wrote:On May 13 2020 20:23 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 20:21 pvsnp wrote:
Oh hey Parting's doing the thing where Terrans build a new fusion core for lib range after opening BC At least the fusion core offers 3 upgrades. The dark shrine offers a measly 1, I think this needs to be corrected. 3 upgrades? What's the 3rd? Medivac speed
Oh shit you're right. Since microbial shroud is free I guess that's the most useless upgrade in the game now.
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On May 13 2020 20:23 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2020 20:20 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:20 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:11 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:09 Morbidius wrote:On May 13 2020 20:04 Ej_ wrote:On May 13 2020 20:02 Fango wrote:On May 13 2020 20:01 Elentos wrote:On May 13 2020 19:59 DieuCure wrote:On May 13 2020 19:57 Elentos wrote:
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ByuN needed a heavily Terran favored meta to win GSL too. It's not like being the best at micro makes a GSL win easy. The meta was basically him. Yes, Terran didn't win everything. But the Koreans were unanimous about saying that Zerg was shit and Terran strong. Does literally anyone think zerg wasn't trash in 2016? Why it rarely gets brought up confuses me Because it is the Terran players who are most vocal about the game when they do not win 7 GSLs in a row. Dark had the best results overall in 2016, Zerg definitely wasn't trash. Maru won 4 GSLs in a row and people still yapped about it being bad for Terran though? I mean other than Maru terran didn't win anything else, one of those seasons he was literally the only terran in the ro8 as well Remember when there was 1 Zerg in GSL ro8 for all of 2016? Your point being? I said literally 10 minutes ago that zerg was trash in 2016 yet no one talks about it. What are you trying to get at here
Point being thats it's fucking stupid to bring up 1 person results to justify wgatever balance agenda you have which is what I directly illustrated, but then you still argued with my obvious mockery.
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parting is playing like a lunatic
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this parting guy is a good sc2 palyer
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EPT
