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- Round of 16 are Bo5.
- Quarterfinals are Bo5.
- Semifinals are Bo5.
- Finals are Bo7.
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[GSL 2020] Super Tournament 1 - Day 2
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Poll: Stats vs Maru Maru Wins (32) Stats Wins (15) 47 total votes Your vote: Stats vs Maru Poll: soO vs INnoVation INnoVation Wins (34) soO Wins (10) 44 total votes Your vote: soO vs INnoVation Poll: Dear vs Cure Cure Wins (22) Dear Wins (19) 41 total votes Your vote: Dear vs Cure | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
 Stats 3 - 2  MaruINnoVation 3 - 0  soODear 3 - 1 CureSolar 3 - 1 ArmaniMaru loses to the Protoss GSL Super Tournament effect.INnoVation benefits from playing the historically worst ZvT player among top Korean Zergs. He won't be so lucky with his match up in the round of 8.Cure loses to his inability to do anything in an offline tournament since 2016.Solar finally breaks his streak of ZvZ losses in series I've predicted going back to the 2016 WCS Global Finals. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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Dave4
494 Posts
On March 16 2020 05:31 Dave4 wrote: Regarding the actual tournament, looks sick! Zest Trap Dark sHy Maru soO Cure Armani Zest Dark soO Cure Dark soO Dark Off to a good start  | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 19 2020 05:55 BisuDagger wrote: Imagine a world where all three Terrans advance. I think this day has its best shot at it. This is the only day that has a shot at it: The ro8 can't have all 3 Terran players advance because two of them would be playing each other. GSLs only ever have 2 players advancing on a specific day, so it can't happen there. The welfare circuit doesn't even have 3 Terran players. | ||
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LennX
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Stats 2 - 3 (T)Maru(T) INnoVation 3 - 0 (Z)soO(P) Dear 1 - 3 (T)Cure(Z) Solar 3 - 2 (Z)ArmaniThis should be much less one-sided. Aside from Inno vs soO, no match-up has a clear favorite. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 19 2020 22:32 EzioAs wrote: I can't believe people still doubt Dear even at this point in time. Dear will win 3-1 over Cure It's because it's fricking Dear. He's the most inconsistent player ever. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
On March 19 2020 22:37 Elentos wrote: It's because it's fricking Dear. He's the most inconsistent player ever. He's consistent enough to make it to 3 consecutive IEM Katowice quarterfinals and is far more consistent in making it to the Code S Ro16 compared to Cure. The 3-1 prediction I made is to just throw Cure a bone assuming he doesn't get bopped as hard as TY did against Zest. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 19 2020 22:46 EzioAs wrote: He's consistent enough to make it to 3 consecutive IEM Katowice quarterfinals and is far more consistent in making it to the Code S Ro16 compared to Cure. The 3-1 prediction I made is to just throw Cure a bone assuming he doesn't get bopped as hard as TY did against Zest. He's also prone to completely imploding in games and series he was winning. Which is why every time I Liquibet on Dear, like this time too, it comes with a lot of doubt. | ||
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Moonerz
United States445 Posts
Ultimately think Inno and Maru probably advance and Cure loses to Dear. | ||
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Latr02
United States268 Posts
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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serralfan18
99 Posts
Edit: wrong thread. I predict Maru, Innovation, Dear and Solar | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
I've been a fan of the Korean scene since forever, but it's getting hard to see the same names over and over. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
There's only one russian stream | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:16 FFW_Rude wrote: Why are streams not listed in Live event pannel on the top right ? There's only one russian stream Afaik Youtube streams can't be linked there. No idea why the Afreeca stream isn't linked. | ||
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fastr
France901 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:15 EzioAs wrote: There's something about the way Maru does his pushes that is just incomparable to the other Terrans. The speed at which he gets his army on the other side of the map is just befuddling. Terran is a race based on timing and decisiveness, and Maru is the most decisive, hence he's the best terran. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:18 fastr wrote: Terran is a race based on timing and decisiveness, and Maru is the most decisive, hence he's the best terran. He also got kinda lucky Stats went the worst possible way with half his army and instead of recalling it lost if for free. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:18 fastr wrote: Terran is a race based on timing and decisiveness, and Maru is the most decisive, hence he's the best terran. Maybe more Terrans could learn a thing or two from him  | ||
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mechzdeus
88 Posts
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:18 fastr wrote: Terran is a race based on timing and decisiveness, and Maru is the most decisive, hence he's the best terran. Protoss is based on sharp timings and decisive action, not only with pushes but with probe cuts, when to take your third, and when to recall. Terran is based around not screwing up your production because it's so rigid and babysitting your bio. Maru's macro is strong don't get me wrong, but his micro is Life or Byun quality, and his decision making and multi task are among the best | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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EzioAs
235 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:24 sudete wrote: I almost forgot how insufferable the maru fans are. Almost. Where are these maru fans you spoke of? | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
Youtube, now that twitch is no longer the main streaming platform for gsl | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:24 sudete wrote: I almost forgot how insufferable the maru fans are. Almost. We are the maru gang sir PLEASE STEP ASIDE while the goat stomps another fool | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:30 sudete wrote: Stats is playing so poorly it's insane It's really sad to see but he's so bad today. | ||
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HeroSandro
530 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:01 Die4Ever wrote: Maru plzzzz well alright then, I'll take it lol | ||
GTR
51450 Posts
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ssg
United States1773 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:35 GTR wrote: maru just gave stats corona with that handshake I would report this post if I could. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Damn VIP privileges | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:37 JustPassingBy wrote: I feel so sorry for Stats. I don't, did you see how he played? Sure Maru played well, but Stats was so bad today Maru didn't even have to try. Breaks my heart to see Stats play like that. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:41 yht9657 wrote: Interesting part is that most Stats vs Maru series are just as lopsided as this one, seems that only one of them can show up at the same time. Except for the Super Tournament where Stats won 3-2 but Maru went battle mech a bunch of times, that was awesome. Since then I feel like Maru just clean sweeps Stats recently (and in the past Stats 3-1 Maru all the time) | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 17:57 Elentos wrote: Alternatively soO can just all-in every game and die before we get to Golden Wall. Best zerg vs bio btw | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
TY died to ravager rushes five times in a row and declared soO the best ZvT player in the world. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:00 pvsnp wrote: TY died to ravager rushes five times in a row and declared soO the best ZvT player in the world. He said specifically he's the best (in Korea) against bio. Which to me also invokes the image of soO haplessly suiciding roach armies into 15 tanks and 40 corruptors into thor/BC. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
 (can I ban myself?) | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:07 Waxangel wrote: I'm entertained! Not sure either player would beat Serral tho (can I ban myself?) Please do, and ban GTR as well Hope we get to see ghost play at least, since I don't get my mechanic | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:10 Sif_ wrote: soon, soO will a-move across the map and win ultras into lose, bro  | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
the game would be over if soo had an overseer imo there were like 10+ widow mines getting secondfary hits lol | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:12 Sif_ wrote: the game would be over if soo had an overseer imo you're right! but the meme is still funny :[ | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:15 DBooN wrote: Actually I think soO thought "Wow I can't take a fifth, while Inno already has his". Well he killed Inno's 5th but it was in exchange for soO's 4th. soO should have just done ling counters while defending with the rest of his army, Inno didn't even bother walling his 3rd because soO never did anything. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Edit> Again late siege >< | ||
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Penev
28478 Posts
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Penev
28478 Posts
Jesus blizzard do something about terran finally | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:36 Psychonian wrote: i don't know what's going on with soo today but he is just not anywhere near his top form He has been passionless soO for a year now. SAD | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:34 EzioAs wrote: This series just serve to prove how poor TY's form is right now. damn, I'm glad TL.net writers don't have their prediction form constantly appraised  | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
I really miss interviews after this kind of series (and after sOs vs Rogue) | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
In all seriousness, Innovation didn't look so hot in TvZ at IEM so i can't tell if he's improved or soO is much worse than SolarSerall etc atm | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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EzioAs
235 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:41 Waxangel wrote: damn, I'm glad TL.net writers don't have their prediction form constantly appraised You guys deserve it, unlike soO Ok, no disrespect to soO. Just kidding around. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:43 pvsnp wrote: Wow, Inno is playing so badly but he's doing it so well. If you know what I mean. The opposite of soO, who is playing so well but he's doing it badly. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:36 Psychonian wrote: i don't know what's going on with soo today but he is just not anywhere near his top form He lost his passion after the IEM win | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:47 Z3nith wrote: Depressing but unsurprising to see Stats go out like that, military service and what not Compare to how Classic played with military service looming. | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:44 Elentos wrote: The opposite of soO, who is playing so well but he's doing it badly. Like Inno should have lost that game. Bio/Tank is directly countered by Vipers and Ultras in the lategame, and Inno just refused to tech up at all. Not a Ghost or Liberator in sight. But Inno managed to keep his macro going and ground out a war of attrition until he got the winning tech snipe. That's such a dumb way to win though. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:48 Elentos wrote: Compare to how Classic played with military service looming. Listen to what Special said about Stats on the pylon show, he's barely been practicing. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:49 Superouman wrote: Did a Zerg ever win thanks to ultralisks? Why remember dark days like that when they get in the way of the ultras into lose narrative? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:50 Elentos wrote: Why remember dark days like that when they get in the way of the ultras into lose narrative? the deep TL state will erase all mentions of ultras actually winning >:0 | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:49 pvsnp wrote: Like Inno should have lost that game. Bio/Tank is directly countered by Vipers and Ultras in the lategame, and Inno just refused to tech up at all. But Inno managed to keep his macro going and ground out a war of attrition until he got the winning tech snipe. That's such a dumb way to win though. A battle between 2 guys who are more brawns than brain. Though Inno has more brain than soO on top of it | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:49 Superouman wrote: Did a Zerg ever win thanks to ultralisks? Hyun once won thanks to a singular ultralisk, does that count? | ||
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Penev
28478 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:49 Superouman wrote: Did a Zerg ever win thanks to ultralisks? Fruitdealer did actually. It was great, made me choose zerg | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote: A battle between 2 guys who are more brawns than brain. Though Inno has more brain than soO on top of it Just feels like Inno was slightly less dumb, not actually smart at all. And most importantly, where the hell did TY get his "soO is a ZvT god" prediction from? | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:52 pvsnp wrote: And most importantly, where the hell did TY get his "soO is a ZvT god" prediction from? Maybe soO is actually good in practice, how could anyone tell? Hush was supposedly the best Protoss in the world in CJ Entus practice sessions and the reality of his gameplay in the studio was embarrassing. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:52 Penev wrote: Fruitdealer did actually. It was great, made me choose zerg Can you even really count Open Season 1? no one knew what they were doing back then | ||
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Penev
28478 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:54 Psychonian wrote: Can you even really count Open Season 1? no one knew what they were doing back then probably not but he asked so I answered | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:52 pvsnp wrote: Just feels like Inno was slightly less dumb, not actually smart at all. Still more brain Maybe Inno purposely handicapped himself, he played the whole game without concussive shells too. Imagine how poorly some of those trades are for soO if banes and hydras get slowed by the 20 marauders. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:52 pvsnp wrote: Just feels like Inno was slightly less dumb, not actually smart at all. And most importantly, where the hell did TY get his "soO is a ZvT god" prediction from? I guess....Artosis pointed out that soO has been playing that way since forever though, and he's not wrong. With better execution I suppose it would look stronger. Ok that Adept fail was hilarious and might cost him the game. Never change Dear, never change. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:54 Psychonian wrote: Can you even really count Open Season 1? no one knew what they were doing back then but that argument scales as long or as short with any length of time. 2 years later we could be saying everyone was doing shit wrong right now. Gotta appreciate intelligent strategies and creativity in the context of their time. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:56 Waxangel wrote: but that argument scales as long or as short with any amount of time. 2 years later we could be saying everyone was doing shit wrong right now. Gotta appreciate intelligent strategies and creativity in the context of their time. On the other hand, if Rainbow makes a nonzero number of marauders, it doesn't work at all | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Except usually you hide the fusion core and not the starport. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:56 Psychonian wrote: On the other hand, if Rainbow makes a nonzero number of marauders, it doesn't work at all But he didn't! So Fruitdealer won. As it is with many strategies that work in important games but could have been defeated with hindsight, throughout the ages. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:58 Waxangel wrote: But he didn't! So Fruitdealer won. As it is with many strategies that work in important games but could have been defeated with hindsight, throughout the ages. For sure. I don't mean to take anything away from Fruitdealer's win, just saying that ultras sucked then too lmao | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:58 Waxangel wrote: But he didn't! So Fruitdealer won. As it is with many strategies that work in important games but could have been defeated with hindsight, throughout the ages. I mean, if it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid. .....it's still pretty stupid though. | ||
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Penev
28478 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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darklycid
3510 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
every time I see this build it either works very well or almost works. I've never seen it outright fail. Also, Artosis has lost his passion if he hasn't seen this build yet. | ||
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
How was it? Maru still in godlike form? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:00 Waxangel wrote: Is there a Terran Lambo that can break down why BC in TvP is underused/actually trash? I'm like, baffled by how it's Cure's special move, but not frequently imitated. I'm willing to accept any kind of analysis about it, be it "it's not actually good but it works cause people don't think about it" or "it's really good and it should be used a lot more in TvP" Stalkers, is my understanding. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
obscure music references aside, not honestly sure why people just stopped using bunkers this way. i guess incontrol was right when he said the salvage change made the bunker rush not viable anymore | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:00 Waxangel wrote: Is there a Terran Lambo that can break down why BC in TvP is underused/actually trash? I'm like, baffled by how it's Cure's special move, but not frequently imitated. I'm willing to accept any kind of analysis about it, be it "it's not actually good but it works cause people don't think about it" or "it's really good and it should be used a lot more in TvP" Because the pro goto opening is blink stalkers? I am no Lambo | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:01 Poopi wrote: Oh fuck it was too early in the morning and I had bad sleep, I missed Maru and INno 3-0ing their opponents!!! How was it? Maru still in godlike form? Stats was absolutely atrocious. You've not seen him as bad as today in years, he made it super easy for Maru. Inno vs soO was entertaining, a mechanical battle of two guys who couldn't possibly be assed to play smart. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:03 Elentos wrote: Stats was absolutely atrocious. You've not seen him as bad as today in years, he made it super easy for Maru. Inno vs soO was entertaining, a mechanical battle of two guys who couldn't possibly be assed to play smart. Yeah, it turns out Inno has a slightly thicker skull so he won the headbutting contest. | ||
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TheSneak
Australia118 Posts
Because of an accidental finishing shade! | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:03 pvsnp wrote: Yeah, it turns out Inno has a slightly thicker skull so he won the headbutting contest. I don't think there's a better way to describe that series than this post | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
I would think so too. The standard Blink + Robo (Observer) should counter most BC rushes pretty easily. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:03 TheSneak wrote: ... So we got a BC in a protoss base with a bunch of bunkers marines and ST's vs a random collosus and some stalkers Because of an accidental finishing shade! Wasn't that cancellation of the shade? Edit> wasn't watching back then | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:59 Psychonian wrote: For sure. I don't mean to take anything away from Fruitdealer's win, just saying that ultras sucked then too lmao They didn't, ultras at the time of FD's win were bugged and actually very strong (I think it was their cleave damage applying to buildings) | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:04 Ej_ wrote: They didn't, ultras at the time of FD's win were bugged and actually very strong (I think it was their cleave damage applying to buildings) Oh shit I forgot about that. Basically attacking buildings applied cleave damage to all units around the building, so any SCVs repairing buildings being attacked by ultras would just die | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:05 blooblooblahblah wrote: I wonder who invented this build. Cure obviously used it at IEM and now today, but uThermal also used it earlier vs Parting in the EPT Cup. uThermal was one of the first to do BC vs Z and Battle mech vs Z so maybe he did it, but i'd be surprised if Cure saw it from uThermal specifically. Probably avilo | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:05 blooblooblahblah wrote: I wonder who invented this build. Cure obviously used it at IEM and now today, but uThermal also used it earlier vs Parting in the EPT Cup. uThermal was one of the first to do BC vs Z and Battle mech vs Z so maybe he did it, but i'd be surprised if Cure saw it from uThermal specifically. Cure was the first person who I've seen do this against Protoss, well before the EPT announcement. | ||
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Penev
28478 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:05 blooblooblahblah wrote: I wonder who invented this build. Cure obviously used it at IEM and now today, but uThermal also used it earlier vs Parting in the EPT Cup. uThermal was one of the first to do BC vs Z and Battle mech vs Z so maybe he did it, but i'd be surprised if Cure saw it from uThermal specifically. Cure was using it online cups prior to IEM Katowice; Mr "I watch everything" Elentos could prolly give you a more specific account | ||
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Poopi
France12880 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:03 Elentos wrote: Stats was absolutely atrocious. You've not seen him as bad as today in years, he made it super easy for Maru. Inno vs soO was entertaining, a mechanical battle of two guys who couldn't possibly be assed to play smart. Oh crap, a win is a win though so it's nice to see Maru finally go far in ST for once I didn't expect less from INno and soO | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:04 Ej_ wrote: They didn't, ultras at the time of FD's win were bugged and actually very strong (I think it was their cleave damage applying to buildings) More like their cleave radius increasing with building size, so if they attacked a PF they would instantly cleave any nearby bio/scvs. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:07 Elentos wrote: Cure was the first person who I've seen do this against Protoss, well before the EPT announcement. Sick, I guess it's him then. I know technically Fantasy was doing that 1 base version of the build a year ago but this one is wayyyy better. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:07 Penev wrote: Are the maps any good? This is only the first full series I get to watch. This is literally the first game that we've seen a new map besides Ever Dream (which everyone knew was super standard). | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
As for the question of BCs vs Protoss, it's just high investment for usually not enough gain. Much higher risk than against Zerg to lose even the first BC without the Protoss even specifically preparing for it. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:09 EzioAs wrote: Tempest move faster these days right? Well yes, but actually no, but actually yes. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:09 Elentos wrote: Dear fucking hell you said oracles are your favorite unit so I figured you'd be better at using them It isn't disruptors? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
He loves them for their reliability. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 18:59 Psychonian wrote: in other news what the fuck am I watching | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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Ej_
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On March 21 2020 19:09 Morbidius wrote: More like their cleave radius increasing with building size, so if they attacked a PF they would instantly cleave any nearby bio/scvs. Ah yes, it was this. The last time I watched this series was a long time ago. | ||
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pvsnp
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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Elentos
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Ej_
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On March 21 2020 19:12 blooblooblahblah wrote: I'm enjoying the fact that everyone is pulling out weird shit this super tournament. New maps, long time without any broadcasted games for these guys. Seems natural that everybody is opening their bags of builds. | ||
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EzioAs
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Penev
28478 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:09 pvsnp wrote: This is literally the first game that we've seen a new map besides Ever Dream (which everyone knew was super standard). This is de 2nd day of super tournament and I missed the first one. Haven't watched anything else. Also you don't know what the word "literally" means. | ||
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darklycid
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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DieuCure
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:13 pvsnp wrote: Wasn't this cheese popular in like early 2018 and then Terran just figured out the hardcounter (cyclones and vikings)? It got stomped a few times for sure, but it was never popular enough to have an actual downfall in the meta. Games like this are a bit misleading cos Cure was already naturally going for a build that leads into the "hard counter", so Dear couldn't spiral it out of control. It's a risky build but still can definitely work if the context was different as the map is highly favourable for it (and it's basically only viable on maps that really favour it) | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:15 Penev wrote: This is de 2nd day of super tournament and I missed the first one. Haven't watched anything else. Also you don't know what the word "literally" means. Well, no normal games have been played in this tournament on any of the new maps. So either we can't judge them, or that in itself is reason to judge them. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:15 Penev wrote: This is de 2nd day of super tournament and I missed the first one. Haven't watched anything else. Also you don't know what the word "literally" means. Purity and Industry has had some great off-beat games (sOs went 2 base carrriers vs Rogue; Zest 1 base teilight into gold, TY flew his 3rd to an island). Golden Wall is extra whacky even if nothing weird happens, just because you have to play around the gimmick. | ||
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Penev
28478 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:17 Elentos wrote: Well, no normal games have been played in this tournament on any of the new maps. So either we can't judge them, or that in itself is reason to judge them. On March 21 2020 19:17 Ej_ wrote: Purity and Industry has had some great off-beat games (sOs went 2 base carrriers vs Rogue; Zest 1 base teilight into gold, TY flew his 3rd to an island). Golden Wall is extra whacky even if nothing weird happens, just because you have to play around the gimmick. thanks for the normal answer | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:17 Ej_ wrote: Purity and Industry has had some great off-beat games (sOs went 2 base carrriers vs Rogue; Zest 1 base teilight into gold, TY flew his 3rd to an island). Golden Wall is extra whacky even if nothing weird happens, just because you have to play around the gimmick. Everyone is vetoing Golden Wall because they have no balls | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:17 Ej_ wrote: Purity and Industry has had some great off-beat games (sOs went 2 base carrriers vs Rogue; Zest 1 base teilight into gold, TY flew his 3rd to an island). Golden Wall is extra whacky even if nothing weird happens, just because you have to play around the gimmick. there was an absolutely bizarre game on golden wall between dark and patience | ||
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Ej_
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:15 Penev wrote: This is de 2nd day of super tournament and I missed the first one. Haven't watched anything else. Also you don't know what the word "literally" means. Today, that is. Some new maps showed up on day 1. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:18 Psychonian wrote: there was an absolutely bizarre game on golden wall between dark and patience I think that was very much a standard response to CR proxy immortal and Patience just shat the bed. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:19 Ej_ wrote: I think that was very much a standard response to CR proxy immortal and Patience just shat the bed. To be fair maybe with bizarre Psychonian meant the fact that Patience was building a Protoss wall parallel to the Golden Wall. | ||
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pvsnp
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:21 Elentos wrote: What the hell is that simcity from Dear? I love how it has a hole where the Tasteless pylon should have been. | ||
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ScrappyRabbit
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Durnuu
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Elentos
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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pvsnp
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darklycid
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:23 ScrappyRabbit wrote: Someday I want to love something as much as Innovation hates ghosts and ranged liberators. Inno was playing ultra late game TvZ at the beginning of last year so he has it in him. Idk why but he just sometimes turns into Terran soO. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:25 Akio wrote: Wow Maru and INno really destroyed their matches Well soO vs Inno was closer than the score suggests. Meanwhile Stats was so out of it 3-0 almost doesn't give Maru enough credit. | ||
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Inno was playing ultra late game TvZ at the beginning of last year so he has it in him. Idk why but he just sometimes turns into Terran soO. He tends to get stubborn (I wrote about this in my super long scouting report thread in the general forum today) -- I was going to write on on soO and talk about how similar he is to Inno and now I'm very sad I didn't because it would look like I saw into the future. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:26 blooblooblahblah wrote: Inno was playing ultra late game TvZ at the beginning of last year so he has it in him. Idk why but he just sometimes turns into Terran soO. To be fair there might be tactical reasons to some extent to Inno not doing it today. soO played a really swarmy style that relies on a strong economy. Inno might have felt that if he goes into ghosts and ranged libs he slows the game down too much. | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:26 Elentos wrote: Well soO vs Inno was closer than the score suggests. Meanwhile Stats was so out of it 3-0 almost doesn't give Maru enough credit. Yeah that Maru series was more BYE than 3:0 | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:31 Die4Ever wrote: lol why a void ray when he wants phoenixes anyways? a phoenix can just lift the scv to easily kill it without it being able to repair or go into the bunker, and the phoenix builds faster too... I don't get it He wanted to mine from his natural faster and figured killing the bunker with a zealot, a stalker and an adept was too slow? | ||
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darklycid
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pvsnp
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EzioAs
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Sif_
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Elentos
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DieuCure
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darklycid
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:36 Elentos wrote: This is not a good day of GSL. You know it's a bad day when you're hoping for the ZvZ to be the best series. | ||
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Penev
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Elentos
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On March 21 2020 19:36 pvsnp wrote: You know it's a bad day when you're hoping for the ZvZ to be the best series. And it's a Korean ZvZ, yikes. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:36 darklycid wrote: Terran whining in shambles tho (now they all gonna say xx did not Play Well :D) Yes, terran whining in shambles because there is three terrans in ro8, let's forget what happened after 2016, it doesn't count ! | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:45 DieuCure wrote: Yes, terran whinning in shambles because there is three terrans in ro8, let's forget what happened after 2016, it doesn't count ! Ah, I was wondering, obviously there will be balance whine | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:44 MarianoSC2 wrote: Maru vs Stats reminded me so much of Polts IEM Cologne run back when no Terran could beat Protoss. His army movement and positioning was so perfect damn. GG Except all of Polt's opponents were at the top of their game and Stats played like a free win. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:45 stilt wrote: Ah, I was wondering, obviously there will be balance whine damn, it was a pretty good run we were having too :[ | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:36 Elentos wrote: This is not a good day of GSL. On March 21 2020 19:36 DieuCure wrote: Excellent stuff. Behold, the duality of mankind. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Solar is a thinking man Zerg, I don't think of him as particularly strong mechanically Well Artosis, maybe ask anyone else about Solar then. | ||
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DieuCure
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pvsnp
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On March 21 2020 19:45 Elentos wrote: Except all of Polt's opponents were at the top of their game and Stats played like a free win. Taeja vs Rain is peak TvP. | ||
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Waxangel
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) doing live commentary on his stream | ||
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Ej_
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I too love when people call my CC rax CC opening impeccable macro play | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 21 2020 19:56 Ej_ wrote: I too love when people call my CC rax CC opening impeccable macro play Taeja was a true strategic genius, going 3CC 2ebay off of 1 rax 1 factory every game in TvZ | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:56 Ej_ wrote: I too love when people call my CC rax CC opening impeccable macro play Hey, blame Rain for never cheesing. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Pretty sure at the time the strongest cheese was playing Protoss. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Funnily, people bring that series vs Taeja up, but never when Rain reached his peak (when he did mix in different play) and threw Maru around like a ragdoll during his GSL run. I guess TvP is only good when The Chosen Race wins. | ||
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Brazil3106 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 19:59 Ej_ wrote: Funnily, people bring that series vs Taeja up, but never when Rain reached his peak (when he did mix in different play) and threw Maru around like a ragdoll during his GSL run. I guess TvP is only good when The Chosen Race wins. Maru vs Rain on Vaani not even top 40 game of 2015 according to TL writers. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 20:01 Ej_ wrote: Obligatory "fuck people who go ling muta in zvz" Yeah, I don't like playing against you in ZvZ either | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 21 2020 20:01 Durnuu wrote: Yeah, I don't like playing against you in ZvZ either -said the muta lurker player | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On March 21 2020 20:01 Ej_ wrote: Obligatory "fuck people who go ling muta in zvz" I prefer it as I still have roach v roach trauma from hots. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Stay mad 4k gutter dweller | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 20:04 royalroadweed wrote: I prefer it as I still have roach v roach trauma from hots. Mutalisk mirror was the true GOAT of ZvZ | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Late 2015 ZvZ was the best matchup in SC2 | ||
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sneakyfox
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Bunch of old people in a retirement home getting in a fight. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 21 2020 20:07 Elentos wrote: Bunch of old people in a retirement home getting in a fight. 1v1 me on overgrowth i swear on me mum Cool hatch cancel | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Ej_
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On March 21 2020 20:08 Durnuu wrote: 1v1 me on overgrowth i swear on me mum Cool hatch cancel No items, roach only | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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pvsnp
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EzioAs
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 21 2020 20:46 Aunvilgodess wrote: Could somebody please link the stream vod? http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/54354979 | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
thank you. | ||
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verifyid
United States21 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I believed in Armani... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25321 Posts
Any recommended sets to check out folks? | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 21 2020 21:12 Wombat_NI wrote: So is Terran OP now? :p Any recommended sets to check out folks? Inno vs soO game 3 was nice. Alternatively everything else if you want to see some total disasters. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 21 2020 21:12 Wombat_NI wrote: So is Terran OP now? :p Any recommended sets to check out folks? If you are a Terran fan just watch all of it. If not then dont waste your time | ||
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United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
soO hasn't looked good all year. Innovation is machine form atm. Cure looking good, is the lack of an audience benefitting him or is he finally getting over his offline fears? Armani looking as outclassed as ever. Impressed with Solar so far this year, let's see how he matches up against some real competition though. Thoughts from tonight. 2/4 Liquibets, but I gambled hard on Armani just for the memes. I did think Dear would beat Cure though. | ||
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United States445 Posts
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mpmaley86
115 Posts
Even though there were a bunch of 3-0, I was really happy with the round of games, very entertained. | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On March 21 2020 21:03 Xain0n wrote: Never stop whining, Terran crew! I believed in Armani... Yeah terran players should stop complaining about TvP as the best terran player in the world beat a toss. Even though toss pro's agree its toss favored atm. Anyhow, shame we have to wait 3 more days | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 22 2020 07:36 ilax30 wrote: Yeah terran players should stop complaining about TvP as the best terran player in the world beat a toss. Even though toss pro's agree its toss favored atm. Anyhow, shame we have to wait 3 more days Take a loot at the very first posts in this thread, before the games were even played. Whining is pointless but preemptively whining is annoying, and it happens all the times! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On March 22 2020 04:35 MarianoSC2 wrote: 4/4 today, but I decided to gamble on Rogue on day 1 for some reason... Same here. This was a fun 4/4 day! | ||
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