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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
November 22 2019 12:59 GMT
#41
On November 22 2019 21:54 DBooN wrote:
soO best ZvT lategame in the world.

Does only using midgame units in lategame count as lategame?
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 22 2019 13:02 GMT
#42
On November 22 2019 21:59 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 21:54 DBooN wrote:
soO best ZvT lategame in the world.

Does only using midgame units in lategame count as lategame?


Hey, he definitely built some BM broods there at the end
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 22 2019 13:03 GMT
#43
On November 22 2019 21:59 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 21:54 DBooN wrote:
soO best ZvT lategame in the world.

Does only using midgame units in lategame count as lategame?

He didnt have a lot but he did have vipers. And they were critical in crushing bunny 2nd push.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1935 Posts
November 22 2019 13:07 GMT
#44
On November 22 2019 21:58 Obamarauder wrote:
bunny confirmed tier 2 terran


Indeed. I really hope Clem will advance over him, but it will be close.
Buff the siegetank
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26512 Posts
November 22 2019 13:09 GMT
#45
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1935 Posts
November 22 2019 13:10 GMT
#46
On November 22 2019 22:02 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 21:59 yht9657 wrote:
On November 22 2019 21:54 DBooN wrote:
soO best ZvT lategame in the world.

Does only using midgame units in lategame count as lategame?


Hey, he definitely built some BM broods there at the end


Idk if it was BM, they are almost as good at clearing tanklines as they always were, and they forced Bunny to make thors and vikings, which later ran over with banelings, roaches and ravagers. Tech swiches is still a major strenght of Zerg.
Buff the siegetank
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
November 22 2019 13:30 GMT
#47
On November 22 2019 22:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC

Not knowing Artosis? Wow, I almost thought all sc2 fans were people watching GSL on the "free" 180p (!) GOMplayer back in the days and stuff.
WriterMaru
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 22 2019 13:37 GMT
#48
yeah tbh idk how it's possible to follow sc2 and not know who Artosis is. like, no hate to anyone, i just literally don't understand how that works. meanwhile i don't really know who Winter is so fair enough i suppose.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 22 2019 13:41 GMT
#49
Not looking good for Lambo today. At least he still has to play a Korean in ZvZ so that should be an autowin for the European zerg
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26512 Posts
November 22 2019 13:41 GMT
#50
On November 22 2019 22:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 22:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC

Not knowing Artosis? Wow, I almost thought all sc2 fans were people watching GSL on the "free" 180p (!) GOMplayer back in the days and stuff.

That player still gives me nightmares.

I’d assumed SC2 had people who followed the scene in some form, and people who just played and didn’t consume external content.

Anyway first post patch PvZ I’ve seen thus far. Intrigued more than anything, feels like Lambo is playing as if the patch didn’t happen so hard to judge much.

I think a more aggressive hydra into lurker style might be pretty potent because you can transition more easily and you don’t have that ‘sit back and let Stats build upgraded Carriers’, interested to see it experimented with anyway.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 22 2019 13:42 GMT
#51
On November 22 2019 22:41 sneakyfox wrote:
Not looking good for Lambo today. At least he still has to play a Korean in ZvZ so that should be an autowin for the European zerg

Well, that's how soO lost a map to Zanster...
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
November 22 2019 13:43 GMT
#52
Lambo seems to have some sort of mental block vs korean players. His unit control and decision making become so much worse than his normal play
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 22 2019 13:44 GMT
#53
On November 22 2019 22:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 22:30 Poopi wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC

Not knowing Artosis? Wow, I almost thought all sc2 fans were people watching GSL on the "free" 180p (!) GOMplayer back in the days and stuff.

Anyway first post patch PvZ I’ve seen thus far. Intrigued more than anything, feels like Lambo is playing as if the patch didn’t happen so hard to judge much.

I think a more aggressive hydra into lurker style might be pretty potent because you can transition more easily and you don’t have that ‘sit back and let Stats build upgraded Carriers’, interested to see it experimented with anyway.


We probably also have to consider the quite significant skill gap between two players like Lambo and Stats.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 22 2019 13:45 GMT
#54
I also think Lurker style is probably the way to go against toss. 10 range makes quite a difference, and it's good you get them earlier.
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
November 22 2019 13:45 GMT
#55
On November 22 2019 22:44 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 22:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:30 Poopi wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC

Not knowing Artosis? Wow, I almost thought all sc2 fans were people watching GSL on the "free" 180p (!) GOMplayer back in the days and stuff.

Anyway first post patch PvZ I’ve seen thus far. Intrigued more than anything, feels like Lambo is playing as if the patch didn’t happen so hard to judge much.

I think a more aggressive hydra into lurker style might be pretty potent because you can transition more easily and you don’t have that ‘sit back and let Stats build upgraded Carriers’, interested to see it experimented with anyway.


We probably also have to consider the quite significant skill gap between two players like Lambo and Stats.

And the fact zerg doesn't have any counter to mass carriers anymore.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
November 22 2019 13:47 GMT
#56
On November 22 2019 22:45 Tyrhanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 22:44 sneakyfox wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:30 Poopi wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC

Not knowing Artosis? Wow, I almost thought all sc2 fans were people watching GSL on the "free" 180p (!) GOMplayer back in the days and stuff.

Anyway first post patch PvZ I’ve seen thus far. Intrigued more than anything, feels like Lambo is playing as if the patch didn’t happen so hard to judge much.

I think a more aggressive hydra into lurker style might be pretty potent because you can transition more easily and you don’t have that ‘sit back and let Stats build upgraded Carriers’, interested to see it experimented with anyway.


We probably also have to consider the quite significant skill gap between two players like Lambo and Stats.

And the fact zerg doesn't have any counter to mass carriers anymore.

Yeah let's ignore 2018 PvZ where good Zergs still won lategame pvz without heavy infested terran usage.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 22 2019 13:48 GMT
#57
On November 22 2019 22:42 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 22:41 sneakyfox wrote:
Not looking good for Lambo today. At least he still has to play a Korean in ZvZ so that should be an autowin for the European zerg

Well, that's how soO lost a map to Zanster...


Not to mention Solar lost 0-2 to TLO.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 13:51:58
November 22 2019 13:50 GMT
#58
On November 22 2019 22:47 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2019 22:45 Tyrhanius wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:44 sneakyfox wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:30 Poopi wrote:
On November 22 2019 22:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 22 2019 17:32 Schelim wrote:
On November 22 2019 13:46 elluel wrote:
Am I the only one that has an issue with Winter's presence at HSC? I'm just very disappointed in the things he's doing to the other people.

what's he doing to people? have not been able to watch much HSC yesterday

I’ve nothing against him, nor am I a fan either. Only saw a little bit but I thought he did OK. The trio of Artosis/Special and him worked surprisingly well, Winter as the more casual guy, Artosis as the enthusiastic all things StarCraft nerd and Special as the incredibly biased but enthusiastic Terran playing nerd.

I rarely have chat open for reasons of my own sanity, but there were plenty of Winter fans there, some of whom didn’t know who Artosis was.


I’d always assumed that Winter’s audience were aware of the wider scene but just liked his style or w/e, but it seems some at least are a totally different segment of the SC community, so it’s probably good for them to get exposed to something like an HSC

Not knowing Artosis? Wow, I almost thought all sc2 fans were people watching GSL on the "free" 180p (!) GOMplayer back in the days and stuff.

Anyway first post patch PvZ I’ve seen thus far. Intrigued more than anything, feels like Lambo is playing as if the patch didn’t happen so hard to judge much.

I think a more aggressive hydra into lurker style might be pretty potent because you can transition more easily and you don’t have that ‘sit back and let Stats build upgraded Carriers’, interested to see it experimented with anyway.


We probably also have to consider the quite significant skill gap between two players like Lambo and Stats.

And the fact zerg doesn't have any counter to mass carriers anymore.

Yeah let's ignore 2018 PvZ where good Zergs still won lategame pvz without heavy infested terran usage.

Void rays are stronger now though and shred through Corruptors very quickly. But I agree Lambo isn't at his best this tournament and I'd rather judge after seeing Reynor/Serral late game vs Stats/Trap,
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 22 2019 13:53 GMT
#59
On November 22 2019 22:37 Schelim wrote:
yeah tbh idk how it's possible to follow sc2 and not know who Artosis is. like, no hate to anyone, i just literally don't understand how that works. meanwhile i don't really know who Winter is so fair enough i suppose.

I must say, when I started following Sc2 at first, I also had no idear about Artosis.
I played sc2 and bw when I was 10, but only the campaign. Then I played sc2 casually and bought sc2 in 2014, but also mostly played campaign there.
Then in 2017 I started watching Lowkos Videos on YouTube. The 1st time I watched an tournament was HSC17. Gues closely after that I learnd Who Artosis is. So most of my time as part of the SC comunity I had also no clue about him at all.
MaxPax
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7140 Posts
November 22 2019 13:54 GMT
#60
Was the shroud abitily used once yet?
Thought you just go mass hydra + caster support vs golden armada
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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