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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 22:53:45
November 22 2019 22:52 GMT
#241
On November 23 2019 07:49 HolydaKing wrote:
If Serral doesn't really stand a chance against Showtime in late game, I don't wanna see him (and probably the other zergs) vs KR toss players there.

At least he looked better than Lambo did though.


Serral was quite far behind all game so honestly it is too early to tell. The fact that he even stayed a live for so long kinda showed the potential Zerg could still have in a more even game.

Serral was good at late game ZvP before Zerg was good at late game ZvP so I have no doubt he could win in a more even position with this current balance.

Also, if Serral wins this game and goes 1-1, are we gonna have a 3 way tie for 2nd place? uThermal and Special went 1-1 so they have an even map score.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 22 2019 22:53 GMT
#242
Showtime had a very good economy in that game and had good harass early as well. Towards the end he mined much more than Serral.

Also, maybe we get to see other combos than corrupter/viper/lurker.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 22:56:50
November 22 2019 22:53 GMT
#243
On November 23 2019 07:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 07:49 HolydaKing wrote:
If Serral doesn't really stand a chance against Showtime in late game, I don't wanna see him (and probably the other zergs) vs KR toss players there.

At least he looked better than Lambo did though.

well, the patch is still very new, Im willing to chalk these things up to players experimenting.
But i'll say it kinda seems the tables have turned

Corruptors can't be the answer to sky toss at least, storm wrecks them (over time). Maybe if they had decent regeneration.

Anyway, the nydus nerf hurt Serral in that game, so his eco didn't end up overwhelming, which is fine by me.
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
469 Posts
November 22 2019 22:55 GMT
#244
On November 23 2019 07:53 sneakyfox wrote:
Showtime had a very good economy in that game and had good harass early as well. Towards the end he mined much more than Serral.

Also, maybe we get to see other combos than corrupter/viper/lurker.


He was losing carriers/archons and random units basically for free all game long. I Did not see serral not paying attention to his units there.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
November 22 2019 22:55 GMT
#245
On November 23 2019 07:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 07:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
On November 23 2019 07:49 HolydaKing wrote:
If Serral doesn't really stand a chance against Showtime in late game, I don't wanna see him (and probably the other zergs) vs KR toss players there.

At least he looked better than Lambo did though.

well, the patch is still very new, Im willing to chalk these things up to players experimenting.
But i'll say it kinda seems the tables have turned

Corruptors can't be the answer to sky toss at least, storm wrecks them (over time). Maybe if they had decent regeneration.


Serral used to do it in 2018 with Corruptor Viper, there is still a lot of play here and as I said in an earlier post, Serral was not in a great position all game (the early game and the mid game went pretty bad for him overall)
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
November 22 2019 22:56 GMT
#246
On November 23 2019 07:50 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 07:47 royalroadweed wrote:
Should smart casting just be removed? I hate that every lategame ends up being spellcaster vs spellcaster.

Just nerf it, if you cast with a group of casters you get a delay. If you single cast - no delay. Boom, skill rewarded, noobs are saved.

I would quite like this, with the exception of probably sentries. They’d be super wonky to individually click/box and force fielding quickly.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 22 2019 22:57 GMT
#247
On November 23 2019 07:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 07:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
On November 23 2019 07:49 HolydaKing wrote:
If Serral doesn't really stand a chance against Showtime in late game, I don't wanna see him (and probably the other zergs) vs KR toss players there.

At least he looked better than Lambo did though.

well, the patch is still very new, Im willing to chalk these things up to players experimenting.
But i'll say it kinda seems the tables have turned

Corruptors can't be the answer to sky toss at least, storm wrecks them (over time). Maybe if they had decent regeneration.

right now i think the answer might be being even more passive, and instead of a few dozen spores have 100+ spores, lurkers and spellcasters.

Also, Showtimes is 1st if he wins this map, and tied for 3rd-4th with uthermal if he doesnt
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
November 22 2019 23:02 GMT
#248
On November 23 2019 07:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 07:49 HolydaKing wrote:
If Serral doesn't really stand a chance against Showtime in late game, I don't wanna see him (and probably the other zergs) vs KR toss players there.

At least he looked better than Lambo did though.

well, the patch is still very new, Im willing to chalk these things up to players experimenting.
But i'll say it kinda seems the tables have turned

Think it’s to be expected really, Protoss were pushing really hard and experimenting with all sorts to try to win lategame scenarios, and came up rather dry so were always going to be better placed to jump into a new patch IMO.

I think Zergs will adapt to what the Protoss legion are currently whacking them with thus far and we’ll get a better idea down the line of what this patch might bring.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-22 23:06:59
November 22 2019 23:04 GMT
#249
This strat seems unaffected by the nydus worm change.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3517 Posts
November 22 2019 23:04 GMT
#250
Not sure if i like new glaives.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 22 2019 23:05 GMT
#251
Sick artosis pylon
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 22 2019 23:07 GMT
#252
Serral defended these adepts extremely well, pretty much any other zerg would have been dead.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45206 Posts
November 22 2019 23:07 GMT
#253
Game one of Serral vs. Showtime was really good; game two was much less interesting, with Showtime suiciding a huge army early on and then never recovering the 30-50 supply deficit.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 22 2019 23:08 GMT
#254
On November 23 2019 08:07 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral defended these adepts extremely well, pretty much any other zerg would have been dead.

Seemed more like the new glaives just suck.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
November 22 2019 23:08 GMT
#255
On November 23 2019 08:08 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 08:07 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral defended these adepts extremely well, pretty much any other zerg would have been dead.

Seemed more like the new glaives just suck.


Yeah they do big time
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
November 22 2019 23:09 GMT
#256
I love this new patch for nation wars. Neeb has his legendary lategame PvZ back to beat serral
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 22 2019 23:09 GMT
#257
On November 23 2019 08:07 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral defended these adepts extremely well, pretty much any other zerg would have been dead.

Yeah, didn't scout, droned in the middle while adepts were useless. "defended"

Maybe the new adepts just suck?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
November 22 2019 23:10 GMT
#258
I'm confused, why does Special go through to top2 when him, Showtime and uThermal have the same map score. I assume there's no H2H advantage for Bo2??
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 22 2019 23:11 GMT
#259
Maybe Mlord should switch to protoss.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 22 2019 23:12 GMT
#260
On November 23 2019 08:09 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2019 08:07 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral defended these adepts extremely well, pretty much any other zerg would have been dead.

Yeah, didn't scout, droned in the middle while adepts were useless. "defended"

Maybe the new adepts just suck?

Maybe so, but he still survived despite all the stuff you said. And that's just because of insane drone/army movement. Serral didn't react well, but he defended with what he had quite spectactularly tbh.
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