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[WCS 2019] BlizzCon Finals Day - Page 97

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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
November 02 2019 01:31 GMT
#1921
Btw did we ever had a Blizzcon without a zerg finalist?
Loner was z right?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
November 02 2019 01:31 GMT
#1922
On November 02 2019 10:29 dysenterymd wrote:
Hey guys Mvp wasn't a very good player because he won his GSLs during GOM TvT where Terran was supper OP

We need to apply that logic with Serral and all the ZvZ's he does
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
November 02 2019 01:32 GMT
#1923
On November 02 2019 10:31 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:25 Poopi wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:22 Maniak_ wrote:
Zerg wins with BL/Infestors: "BL/Infestors is so OP, it's bullshit"

Zerg wins with SH/Nydus: "SH/Nydus is so OP, it's bullshit"

Zerg wins with lings and/or banes and/or mutas and/or roaches and/or hydras: "Oh... er... well Zerg is so OP, it's bullshit"

Maybe the whiners should just say which units zerg is allowed to build. Apparently they're not allowed to punish a turtling player with the only option they have to do that, they're not allowed to attack when they see a weakness, they're not allowed to harass undefended positions and they're not allowed to build a deathball.

Oh well, just the usual wheel of balance whine I guess.

Buffing banelings was very suspect, especially just because ByuN was successful?

Only Byun wins with reapers -> time for an interview balance patch!
Only Maru wins with Ravens -> time for an immediate balance patch!
Serral wins with investors -> Zzz
Every Zerg wins almost everything ever, professional zergs admitting they're OP -> Zzzzzz

just play better! lol
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
November 02 2019 01:32 GMT
#1924
On November 02 2019 10:31 Nakajin wrote:
Btw did we ever had a Blizzcon without a zerg finalist?
Loner was z right?


Loner played Terran.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
November 02 2019 01:32 GMT
#1925
On November 02 2019 10:30 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:29 dysenterymd wrote:
Hey guys MVP wasn't a very good player because he won his GSLs during GOM TvT where Terran was supper OP

True, same goes for Serral

I think you're missing the point.

Anyways, in 2018, premier tournaments attended by top Koreans had 3 zerg wins, 2 protoss wins, and 4 terran wins, so nobody gets to rewrite history about Serral's 2018.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 01:33:19
November 02 2019 01:33 GMT
#1926
Get your coffee out bois, we are doing this to the bitter end!! Come on Old Hands crush them bugs!!!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
November 02 2019 01:33 GMT
#1927
On November 02 2019 10:31 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:28 Mettis wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:26 DieuCure wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:24 Yonnua wrote:
Viewers have dropped by 10,000 since the earlier quarterfinals. Hopefully they'll bounce back, but the late hour can't help.


Becausewe are all please with the ZvZ Fiesta


Funny because Serral's ZvZ was the peak viewership so far.


That's why the balance team is ok with the imbalance, people are more about themselves than the fun provided. And European can win with a race (because of the lack of the mechanics of the mean race) they are ok.

Serral's fanbase.


Which has been more or less proven over and and over again throughout the years.

Zerg fans are cool with how their players win, no matter how they do it.

2012 is the best example.

2019 is the the next best.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
IMSupervisor
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia138 Posts
November 02 2019 01:33 GMT
#1928
On November 02 2019 10:31 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:29 IMSupervisor wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:25 kaykoose wrote:
All I see are a bunch of excuses for Maru. He played horribly in games 2 and 3.


Or Dark was just a superior opponent. A superior opponent who played last and is in a much tougher bracket due to how poorly the system is set up.

We don't know yet, because the tournament isn't over yet.


Dark seemed to have Maru figured out with his build choices in game 2 with an impeccable Muta timing, and in game 3 with roach ravager timing vs BC opener. It made Maru look pretty helpless but imagine Maru opened with double banshee in game 3 instead of BC. Very different game.


If you want to go back a few pages, I called that already.

Dark was the hardest opponent Maru could have drawn in this round, because Dark's ZvT is something Maru's trademark brand of ZvT isn't that good against.


Oh ok, I think I missed it. Pretty hard to keep up with the pace of this thread when actually engaging in it!

I agree with you!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 01:33:51
November 02 2019 01:33 GMT
#1929
On November 02 2019 10:33 sneakyfox wrote:
Get your coffee out bois, we are doing this to the bitter end!! Come on Old Hands crush them bugs!!!

just finished my (hopefully) last one
I Protoss winner, could it be?
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 02 2019 01:33 GMT
#1930
On November 02 2019 10:03 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:02 Nakajin wrote:
I just realize it's already 9 pm and we are just halfway through this.

try 2am

3:33 here
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
November 02 2019 01:34 GMT
#1931
On November 02 2019 10:32 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:30 Argonauta wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:29 dysenterymd wrote:
Hey guys MVP wasn't a very good player because he won his GSLs during GOM TvT where Terran was supper OP

True, same goes for Serral

I think you're missing the point.

Anyways, in 2018, premier tournaments attended by top Koreans had 3 zerg wins, 2 protoss wins, and 4 terran wins, so nobody gets to rewrite history about Serral's 2018.

I did not miss the point. I just find funny what you think its irony its acutally the truth. Also, Im not talking about 2018. I am talking about now
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
November 02 2019 01:34 GMT
#1932
On November 02 2019 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:25 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:20 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:14 Weavel wrote:
Maru got stomped....hard


Serral faced soO.

Maru faced Dark.

Go ahead and talk to me some more about how the brackets were even.

Oh yea, Serral gets superior brackets because he is the #1 point earner because he plays in WCS.

Oh yes. Totally fair seeding. TOTALLY fair.

/s



Serral got soO because 6-0d the group him and Maru were in.

Maru got Dark because well.. he lost to TIME to start.


Easily disputed. Serral got matched vs 0-6 Stats first and Maru got matched vs Time who took a game off Serral first.

Why? Seedings.

Clearly, Time was a much stronger player in that group.


Time did not take a single game off Serral, lmao. And if you want to claim that Stats was the weakest player in that group a priori, show your liquibets for that day.


I haven't cast a single liquibet since I got annihilated at the GSL vs the World.

How's that for an answer? No point in trying to win anymore after how that tournament went.


I would do without liquibets, just show the evidence for your opinion on Stats being the weakest player in that group not being the conclusion of Captain Hindsight.

In regards to Maru vs Dark, Bly on Russian stream actually made a nice note that Dark was quite literally reading him like an open book including 2 blind counters and 1 game where he simply played understanding that he would not be contested in spite of no scouting to suggest so. This also explains why Maru looked so subpar in the process, it is literally a repeat of last year's sOs vs Maru where sOs simply countered whatever Maru was doing without looking.


it seems like he has amazing execution but is lacking heavily in build choice deparment
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
November 02 2019 01:35 GMT
#1933
On November 02 2019 10:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 10:31 DieuCure wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:28 Mettis wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:26 DieuCure wrote:
On November 02 2019 10:24 Yonnua wrote:
Viewers have dropped by 10,000 since the earlier quarterfinals. Hopefully they'll bounce back, but the late hour can't help.


Becausewe are all please with the ZvZ Fiesta


Funny because Serral's ZvZ was the peak viewership so far.


That's why the balance team is ok with the imbalance, people are more about themselves than the fun provided. And European can win with a race (because of the lack of the mechanics of the mean race) they are ok.

Serral's fanbase.


Which has been more or less proven over and and over again throughout the years.

Zerg fans are cool with how their players win, no matter how they do it.

2012 is the best example.

2019 is the the next best.


Kinda sad.

They are ruining what is left.
TL+ Member
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
November 02 2019 01:36 GMT
#1934
I think the writing was on the wall, when Maru lost 3-2 to Time, and then just edged the rematch. It was enough to get out of the group not facing the best player, but against the best of them, his form is not good enough.
LiangHao
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 01:37:46
November 02 2019 01:36 GMT
#1935
I have drank 7 cans of 7% cider. I fear I might not last to grandfinal :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
November 02 2019 01:36 GMT
#1936
I actually like when balance is utterly broken. Makes the upsets all the more memorable. (Taeja vs infestor broodlord and lolToss era comes to mind.) Gogo classic, can we really root for anyone else?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
November 02 2019 01:37 GMT
#1937
Guys comeone every sane person has to know that this Blizzcon is a fluke. Noone is going to take the winner seriously unless Classic can bullshit his way to the win.
The game is in the saddest state ever and its showing game by game. In a balanced state, Reynor would not gake a map off Trap. Maru vs Dark would be even, and most importantly, we would have much more diversity here.

Serral is going to make a completely meaningless champ, which is a shame, because I actually think he is good enough to challenge for the win fair and square...
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 02 2019 01:37 GMT
#1938
On November 02 2019 10:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have drank 7 cans of /% cider. I fear I might not last to grandfinal :D

are you wearing a santa hat right now
Neosteel Enthusiast
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
November 02 2019 01:37 GMT
#1939
On November 02 2019 10:31 Nakajin wrote:
Btw did we ever had a Blizzcon without a zerg finalist?
Loner was z right?


No he was T
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12992 Posts
November 02 2019 01:38 GMT
#1940
On November 02 2019 10:36 tskarzyn wrote:
I actually like when balance is utterly broken. Makes the upsets all the more memorable. (Taeja vs infestor broodlord and lolToss era comes to mind.) Gogo classic, can we really root for anyone else?

I root for Serral now, and hopefully we have a nice patch for nation wars which resumes soon
WriterMaru
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