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Qikz
United Kingdom12064 Posts
I'm a SCR/BW guy mainly but I've been a fantasy fan for years and watched those games and it seems unlike the guardian there's no counter play at all to the broodlord. If you try and engage you can never get away with your army as the broodlings wrap around everything and thors are slow as hell and you can't purely use vikings due to the fact parasitic bomb and fungal exist as spells and everything by design super hard clumps. Watching those 2 games I'm not sure what you're even meant to do. | ||
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Elentos
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Durnuu
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:38 Qikz wrote: I don't understand how on earth you're supposed to beat the game design of the broodlord. I'm a SCR/BW guy mainly but I've been a fantasy fan for years and watched those games and it seems unlike the guardian there's no counter play at all to the broodlord. If you try and engage you can never get away with your army as the broodlings wrap around everything and thors are slow as hell and you can't purely use vikings due to the fact parasitic bomb and fungal exist as spells and everything by design super hard clumps. Watching those 2 games I'm not sure what you're even meant to do. There's a counter play to that, it's just not easy and it's better to not get the Zerg get there. Check some Maru games against top zergs when he goes into the lategame. It's a treat to see and it looks OP as hell. Or check Innovation's games, he played some good TvZs too. Edit> I didn't watch the games, I was at work. And no offense to Fanta, but Dark is supposed to be a level or two above him(in SC2). So maybe it was just the difference of these two that looked broken, not games. But again, I wasn't watching them games, just saying Dark should look that strong. | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:55 Myrddrael wrote: Since when could you use someone elses tech labs/reactors? Since forever | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:55 Myrddrael wrote: Since when could you use someone elses tech labs/reactors? Always. You can straight up take them. If you're in a base trade and your last building is a rax and your opponent's last building is a tech lab you win by landing. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
But Special's build here at the start of the game is the fullest I've seen in a while. | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:56 Elentos wrote: Always. You can straight up take them. If you're in a base trade and your last building is a rax and your opponent's last building is a tech lab you win by landing. Okay so I just straight up never knew that in all the years I've been playing/watching | ||
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:56 Elentos wrote: Always. You can straight up take them. If you're in a base trade and your last building is a rax and your opponent's last building is a tech lab you win by landing. has that ever happened in an actual game | ||
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Slydie
2015 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:35 Xain0n wrote: I'd hope whiners would be removed from chats and forums, but seems like they can't. Keen and Fantasy(did they ever get past ro16 in Code S) don't beat Dark, the current Code S champion, after throwing big time and you want to nerf Zerg. I actually did not even argue that Dark is not the better player. Lategame tvz is just dum to watch and I hope it changes soon. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
I'm sure I've seen it on reddit. Not like pro games will ever go to that point at this rate. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
Yes, the reason a lot of us know it in the first place is that it happens in pro games every now and then, I think the TLO one is quite famous. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
On August 28 2019 22:55 deacon.frost wrote: There's a counter play to that, it's just not easy and it's better to not get the Zerg get there. Check some Maru games against top zergs when he goes into the lategame. It's a treat to see and it looks OP as hell. Or check Innovation's games, he played some good TvZs too. Edit> I didn't watch the games, I was at work. And no offense to Fanta, but Dark is supposed to be a level or two above him(in SC2). So maybe it was just the difference of these two that looked broken, not games. But again, I wasn't watching them games, just saying Dark should look that strong. You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad | ||
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Elentos
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
I used to do that when my opponent left proxied tech labs. It has been always like that since 2010 | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On August 28 2019 23:01 Slydie wrote: I actually did not even argue that Dark is not the better player. Lategame tvz is just dum to watch and I hope it changes soon. Doubt that. First of all Blizzard don't have the manpower and I believe they lack the will to do such changes. From WoL many players hate "free units units" and suggested some changes to change this(energy, cost, no pathing obstruction, etc.), nothing helped. Brood lords are actually quite fragile if you can walk under them. But you can't because broodlings everywhere fucks up pathing  On August 28 2019 23:02 SamirDuran wrote: You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad I'll do, but I have to keep mah job to have them monies  There's a reason why many Terrans don't want to do lategame(TvZ/TvP) as it's really hard. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On August 28 2019 23:02 SamirDuran wrote: You should watch the games. Both games looked like fantasy is winning. Game 2 he had a huge lead but wants to go to late game anyways and dies. And it's sad it's sad but also very much Fanta's own fault, the 2nd game was a massive throw | ||
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Elentos
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