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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1281
I said it before but it would really be so hilarious if Elazer won this tourney
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1282
I think its officially safe to say that WCS EU can now be weighted as equal to or greater than a GSL.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore910 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1283
On August 17 2019 23:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 23:33 Waxangel wrote:
On August 17 2019 23:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Does Serral supersede RorO/Sniper as the biggest BL/Infestor abuser?


As the world's top connoisseur of BL-infestor, I have to tell you what's happening right now is quite different from WoL.

The worst thing about WoL era BL-infestor wasn't that it let top-tier players close out games with ease. BL-Infestor was a problem because it was a relatively easy to use strat that raised the floor for otherwise undistinguished players. Players like Lowely and Ziktomini placing several rounds higher than their previous level was the MAIN problem, not that Stephano or Leenock were oppressively strong in the late-game.

Serral's use of BL-infestor right now is more akin to Maru's abuse of Raven-turtling in 2018—it's disgustingly strong in the right hands, but it's not OVERLY distorting SC2 competition by boosting the results of other, less capable players.

That's true but I think the main reason that it doesn't become oppressively strong in the hands of lesser players is because they just can't get there. A lot of Zerg pros have said that Zerg should never lose once they get to 20 Infestors.


I think the main difference is Protoss players wouldn't let lesser zerg players get to late game either with cheese or timing attacks. But with good zergs who can defend well enough to get into late game, they just become unbeatable.

Anyway like many have said, patch incoming so it might be quite different soon.
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Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1284
On August 17 2019 23:37 rasi86 wrote:
I Blizzard does not fix Z, SC2 has a not too great future. ZvZ finals all the time, Terrans have no shot at all, Protoss are out once they face Z. But Toss gets nerfed, T gets buffed. Z stays maily the same => Z will win it all the time


That's probably why more than half of the Zergs got eliminated in the first round
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1285
On the plus side terran might finally get buffs now that folks don't have the old fall back of the mythical "korean terrans" and "foreign terrans are just trash" meme to fall back on.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1286
the team event should be very good and I'll give a shot at the finals. If it's half as good as Dark vs Elazer it should be pretty entertaining.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
August 17 2019 14:39 GMT
#1287
Serral's path to finals is impressive:

3 : 1 TY
3 : 1 Trap
3 : 1 Classic

In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
tcb
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
August 17 2019 14:40 GMT
#1288
WCS>>>GSL
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 17 2019 14:40 GMT
#1289
On August 17 2019 23:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 23:35 IshinShishi wrote:
I guess this marks the death of kr sc2 (and sc2 as a whole tbh), the decay was long and weary, may it RIP.

let's celebrate foreigners reaching this incredible level of play!!!!!111111


Such a terrible attitude you have, just enjoy peak ZvZ tomorrow!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27371 Posts
August 17 2019 14:41 GMT
#1290
On August 17 2019 23:33 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 23:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Does Serral supersede RorO/Sniper as the biggest BL/Infestor abuser?


As the world's top connoisseur of BL-infestor, I have to tell you what's happening right now is quite different from WoL.

The worst thing about WoL era BL-infestor wasn't that it let top-tier players close out games with ease. Old BL-Infestor was a problem because it was a relatively easy to use strat that raised the floor for otherwise undistinguished players. Players like Lowely and Ziktomini placing several rounds higher than their previous level was the MAIN problem, not that Stephano or Leenock were oppressively strong in the late-game.

Serral's use of BL-infestor right now is more akin to Maru's abuse of Raven-turtling in 2018—it's disgustingly strong in the right hands, but it's not OVERLY distorting SC2 competition by boosting the results of other, less capable players.

Yeah I think that’s pretty fair
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 17 2019 14:41 GMT
#1291
On August 17 2019 23:39 Kaizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 23:37 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 17 2019 23:33 Waxangel wrote:
On August 17 2019 23:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Does Serral supersede RorO/Sniper as the biggest BL/Infestor abuser?


As the world's top connoisseur of BL-infestor, I have to tell you what's happening right now is quite different from WoL.

The worst thing about WoL era BL-infestor wasn't that it let top-tier players close out games with ease. BL-Infestor was a problem because it was a relatively easy to use strat that raised the floor for otherwise undistinguished players. Players like Lowely and Ziktomini placing several rounds higher than their previous level was the MAIN problem, not that Stephano or Leenock were oppressively strong in the late-game.

Serral's use of BL-infestor right now is more akin to Maru's abuse of Raven-turtling in 2018—it's disgustingly strong in the right hands, but it's not OVERLY distorting SC2 competition by boosting the results of other, less capable players.

That's true but I think the main reason that it doesn't become oppressively strong in the hands of lesser players is because they just can't get there. A lot of Zerg pros have said that Zerg should never lose once they get to 20 Infestors.


I think the main difference is Protoss players wouldn't let lesser zerg players get to late game either with cheese or timing attacks. But with good zergs who can defend well enough to get into late game, they just become unbeatable.

Anyway like many have said, patch incoming so it might be quite different soon.


Back then in WOL there were no adepts and oracles, right? So getting early game pressure on Zerg was a lot harder
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
August 17 2019 14:41 GMT
#1292
Interviewer: How do you feel about going against Elazer in the finals?
Serral: I'm glad I can now relax.
Crowd: OOHHHHH
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
August 17 2019 14:41 GMT
#1293
All of the PvX's in this tournament sucked and showed how terrible the matchups are from a design and spectator perspective. ZvZ is at least dynamic and back and forth.
MartT
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom88 Posts
August 17 2019 14:41 GMT
#1294
Are you not entertained?
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3165 Posts
August 17 2019 14:41 GMT
#1295
Well, An all Foreigner final I didn't expect this.
Artosis loves Starcraft
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4283 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-17 14:42:47
August 17 2019 14:42 GMT
#1296
First time in Starcraft history (21 years) that a top tournament (or any tournament, actually) in Korea/with koreans will not have any koreans in the Grand Final..

It finally happened.. history made. I was here.

Awesome stuff :D
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2663 Posts
August 17 2019 14:42 GMT
#1297
On August 17 2019 23:33 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 23:31 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 17 2019 23:30 Archerylady wrote:
Yeah yeah zerg spellcasters are bullshit. But zerg non-spellcasters are garbage. So once you've deleted the infestor, what buffs will you give zerg to prevent them from being steamrolled by WoL-style deathballs?

nobody spoke of "deleting" the Infestor


Actually I once did and I stand by it, or at least change it dramatically like they did the Swarmhost, just balance the game without it, it's a boring unit.


Give both HT and Infestors the Raven threatment. Redesign them so they are support units, not units with spells that can wipe entire armys on their own.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 17 2019 14:42 GMT
#1298
On August 17 2019 23:36 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2019 23:35 IshinShishi wrote:
I guess this marks the death of kr sc2 (and sc2 as a whole tbh), the decay was long and weary, may it RIP.


We still have a GSL and a ST, maybe we get a WCS in Korea next year...

But will you care about it? If multiple foreigners can come to korea and dominate, why even bother watching the GSL? I never watched WCS even with Mvp in it, ain't gonna start now. The curtains are down, the show is over, the magic is gone.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 17 2019 14:42 GMT
#1299
On August 17 2019 23:39 Zambrah wrote:
I think its officially safe to say that WCS EU can now be weighted as equal to or greater than a GSL.

You got that right. :D
ramask2
Profile Joined June 2011
Thailand1024 Posts
August 17 2019 14:42 GMT
#1300
ZvZ with Serral almost always deliver so this final should still be fun. Shame Korea can't get to represent though.
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