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On August 15 2019 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 17:58 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 17:55 Poopi wrote:On August 15 2019 17:52 deacon.frost wrote:And they told me soO isn't bad. Obviously he isn't and this is just a Dream  Well he isn't bad just not at TIME's level in ZvT. Serral almost got crushed 3-0 too, is he bad tho? Why do you think soO's good currently? What recent results did I miss?  He didn't say soO "isn't good" he said soO is bad. soO being a bad starcraft pro will never be true. I never get why some people think only top 12 players in the world is "good" and the rest are "bad". Sure soO isn't among the best in the world atm, doesn't mean he is bad or not good or that he shouldn't have a chance against Time.
That's not how it works, you're over complicating things. You juste have to check a player's last series to determine if they're good or bad.
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On August 15 2019 17:58 Musicus wrote:
Yesterday I still said TIME is a bit overrated. Either he is a god or I didn't realize how far soO has fallen since IEM. Either way I apologize.
Super happy for TIME and China!
Yeah I saw your post yesterday.
Some relief to you: even the Chinese casters (SCboy) predicted that soO would win.
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On August 15 2019 17:59 NoS-Craig wrote:
How is Elazer ZvT? TIME is looking really good. I hope their series are as the ones we've seen so far. TIME/SoO was a 3-0 but it was still very entertaining.
Elazer's ZvT isn't that good but the guys know each other well; I'd say TIME wins, in any of case. That was such a great bio play!
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On August 15 2019 18:02 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:On August 15 2019 17:58 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 17:55 Poopi wrote:On August 15 2019 17:52 deacon.frost wrote:And they told me soO isn't bad. Obviously he isn't and this is just a Dream Well he isn't bad just not at TIME's level in ZvT. Serral almost got crushed 3-0 too, is he bad tho? Why do you think soO's good currently? What recent results did I miss? He didn't say soO "isn't good" he said soO is bad. soO being a bad starcraft pro will never be true. I never get why some people think only top 12 players in the world is "good" and the rest are "bad". Sure soO isn't among the best in the world atm, doesn't mean he is bad or not good or that he shouldn't have a chance against Time. That's not how it works, you're over complicating things. You juste have to check a player's last series to determine if they're good or bad.
Dark lost first round in GSL vs. the World. Therefore. Dark is bad. Checks out
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On August 15 2019 17:59 NoS-Craig wrote:
How is Elazer ZvT? TIME is looking really good. I hope their series are as the ones we've seen so far. TIME/SoO was a 3-0 but it was still very entertaining.
Hm crushed him lately, I'd say this is his worst mu currently but who knows...
I think TIME will beat him without too much troubles.
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Compare Serral with Elazer, with their winning rates against Terran players.
Serral was struggling a lot with TIME in ASUG tournament before while Elazer historically not good with Terran. I guess TIME will move to next stage and meet Maru/Stats in the semifinal.
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On August 15 2019 18:01 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 17:57 Charoisaur wrote:On August 15 2019 17:54 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 15 2019 17:51 Penev wrote:
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ouch Good thing it's not all GSL vs World players, at least this way the Koreans fans will have someone to cheer for past the ro16  now you're running your mouth but when the discussion comes again to remove region lock you're suddenly against it for some reason Obviously im joking, and as for the region lock, you're confusing me with someone else, again. 2018.11.04 Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 21:37 Geo.Rion wrote:
Open it up.
Neeb. Reynor, Special, Showtime, Elazer and Scarlett have good chance against most Korean pros.
Serral out shined everyone this year, so we kinda brush over the other results, but we had a Neeb top4 finish and lots of series won by some of the others.
If the WCS/Blizzcon shown us anything, it s that foreigner ZvZ is better, EU zergs were biting at Serral's heels for months, but the undisputed best 2 korean zergs looked lost. Or at least Dark did.
My bad, I sometimes mix up the names
Just funny how in every region-lock thread a lot of foreigner fans argue that the foreign scene would die without region-lock while a lot of them are also often shittalking koreans when they play vs foreigners. Not sure who said what or when, it's just something I noticed some foreigner fans do.
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Did Maru not have an interview or did i miss it?
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On August 15 2019 18:06 Pandain wrote:
Did Maru not have an interview or did i miss it?
he did have one but it was pretty short
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The finals being played in the ro16 now
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It's so damn awesome and inspiring seeing Maru's achievements on that screen
"GSL Champion"
"GSL Champion"
"GSL Champion"
"GSL Champion"
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On August 15 2019 18:02 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:On August 15 2019 17:58 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 17:55 Poopi wrote:On August 15 2019 17:52 deacon.frost wrote:And they told me soO isn't bad. Obviously he isn't and this is just a Dream Well he isn't bad just not at TIME's level in ZvT. Serral almost got crushed 3-0 too, is he bad tho? Why do you think soO's good currently? What recent results did I miss? He didn't say soO "isn't good" he said soO is bad. soO being a bad starcraft pro will never be true. I never get why some people think only top 12 players in the world is "good" and the rest are "bad". Sure soO isn't among the best in the world atm, doesn't mean he is bad or not good or that he shouldn't have a chance against Time. That's not how it works, you're over complicating things. You juste have to check a player's last series to determine if they're good or bad.
You mean you subjectively decide who is good and bad depending on your opinion of their play? Or do you mean the winner is good and the loser bad?
What about the times when some of the best players in the world have been made to look bad by the current best player in the world. Its happened lots of times in finals, are you saying the second best player in the world is bad because the best players outclassed him that series?
Lets be clear, your opinion is not the defition of good or bad, I actually claim it IS more complicated than that. You think soO is BAD? Then please play him and see how that goes.
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On August 15 2019 18:05 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 18:01 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 15 2019 17:57 Charoisaur wrote:On August 15 2019 17:54 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 15 2019 17:51 Penev wrote:
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ouch Good thing it's not all GSL vs World players, at least this way the Koreans fans will have someone to cheer for past the ro16 now you're running your mouth but when the discussion comes again to remove region lock you're suddenly against it for some reason Obviously im joking, and as for the region lock, you're confusing me with someone else, again. 2018.11.04 On November 04 2018 21:37 Geo.Rion wrote:
Open it up.
Neeb. Reynor, Special, Showtime, Elazer and Scarlett have good chance against most Korean pros.
Serral out shined everyone this year, so we kinda brush over the other results, but we had a Neeb top4 finish and lots of series won by some of the others.
If the WCS/Blizzcon shown us anything, it s that foreigner ZvZ is better, EU zergs were biting at Serral's heels for months, but the undisputed best 2 korean zergs looked lost. Or at least Dark did. My bad, I sometimes mix up the names Just funny how in every region-lock thread a lot of foreigner fans argue that the foreign scene would die without region-lock while a lot of them are also often shittalking koreans when they play vs foreigners. Not sure who said what or when, it's just something I noticed some foreigner fans do.
Shittalking koreans is something trolls do, people shouldn't underestimate and hate on foreigners either.
I think WCS would be strong enough now to welcome koreans but Code S' format should definitely be changed to be more accessible to those who don't live in Korea.
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On August 15 2019 18:02 deepseer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 17:58 Musicus wrote:
Yesterday I still said TIME is a bit overrated. Either he is a god or I didn't realize how far soO has fallen since IEM. Either way I apologize.
Super happy for TIME and China! Yeah I saw your post yesterday. Some relief to you: even the Chinese casters (SCboy) predicted that soO would win.
Interesting! Since TIME has been in Korea for so long, I really thought soO would be prepared compared to Serral, but TIME just did it with pure skill and you can't prepare for that.
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TIME best American player ever
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Stats is the Pulp to Maru and Serral's Oasis and Blur. Britpop reference for you guys.
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On August 15 2019 18:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 18:00 deepseer wrote:
What happened when soo tried to trade base but suddenly lost over 40 supply of lings and banelings without even lifting a single base? TIME's rally was on the depot with 2 libs and at least 1 tank. Attacking there was extremely inefficient.
Seems that neither of them was micro-ing here when there was another battle in soo's base.
Soo's army was blocked by the depot. He could have taken down the tank with a few lings and use other lings to lift the CC (before the liberators relocate), then break the wall with banelings.
What happened (I'm not sure, the observer wasn't on the scene) was: all his banelings ran into SCVs (killed over 20) and the CC, and zerglings stuck at the wall. It seems that he didn't even destroy a depot.
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On August 15 2019 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 17:58 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 17:55 Poopi wrote:On August 15 2019 17:52 deacon.frost wrote:And they told me soO isn't bad. Obviously he isn't and this is just a Dream Well he isn't bad just not at TIME's level in ZvT. Serral almost got crushed 3-0 too, is he bad tho? Why do you think soO's good currently? What recent results did I miss? He didn't say soO "isn't good" he said soO is bad. soO being a bad starcraft pro will never be true. I never get why some people think only top 12 players in the world is "good" and the rest are "bad". Sure soO isn't among the best in the world atm, doesn't mean he is bad or not good or that he shouldn't have a chance against Time.
Well yeah, soO is better than everyone in thsi thread, but he's not tha good considering in that tournament. Also he's worse than he used to be which implies - he's bad? If you're used to be the number one Zerg and people say - look man, it's soO, it will be fine and it isn't, he's worse -> he's bad.
I just see this binary, if you're not goood anymore then you're bad. And there's nothing wrong with this, everybody has their slumps. soO has one right now. Big one.
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On August 15 2019 18:08 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 18:02 nojok wrote:On August 15 2019 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:On August 15 2019 17:58 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 17:55 Poopi wrote:On August 15 2019 17:52 deacon.frost wrote:And they told me soO isn't bad. Obviously he isn't and this is just a Dream Well he isn't bad just not at TIME's level in ZvT. Serral almost got crushed 3-0 too, is he bad tho? Why do you think soO's good currently? What recent results did I miss? He didn't say soO "isn't good" he said soO is bad. soO being a bad starcraft pro will never be true. I never get why some people think only top 12 players in the world is "good" and the rest are "bad". Sure soO isn't among the best in the world atm, doesn't mean he is bad or not good or that he shouldn't have a chance against Time. That's not how it works, you're over complicating things. You juste have to check a player's last series to determine if they're good or bad. You mean you subjectively decide who is good and bad depending on your opinion of their play? Or do you mean the winner is good and the loser bad? What about the times when some of the best players in the world have been made to look bad by the current best player in the world. Its happened lots of times in finals, are you saying the second best player in the world is bad because the best players outclassed him that series? Lets be clear, your opinion is not the defition of good or bad, I actually claim it IS more complicated than that. You think soO is BAD? Then please play him and see how that goes.
I was just mocking our current way of judging (e)sportsmen, I'm following football closely and it's that shit all the time. You read too much into it.
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