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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:47 IshinShishi wrote: I really dislike Serral, but I just don't see how you can even begin to make a case for Stephano over him. Stephano was a better drinker | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:48 uummpaa wrote: but the other way round it was? i don't understand I didn't say that but it seems they are close in skill level so I don't understand why he says Serral's gonna bop Classic | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Do you also think that Maru's TvT could be garbage, since he's only played one series of it since March? There is a chance!  | ||
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kottbullar
Australia490 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:50 Charoisaur wrote: I didn't say that but it seems they are close in skill level so I don't understand why he says Serral's gonna bop Classic Probably because Classic lost to Reynor and almost lost to Scarlett. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:47 Charoisaur wrote: ah the WESG series was legit and the Katowice one wasnt. I understand. well of course! just like the 3-0 bop by Maru wasn't real but Serral beating Maru playing on EU from Korea was the real series | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him. I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today... GuMiho literally has not won an offline Bo5 against a Korean. GuMiho has not won an offline Bo3 against a top-10 Korean outside of maybe sOs. Serral now has at least four of those. GuMiho has played a grand total of 59 games against Koreans offline. You can shave off the games against 'irrelevant players' - PartinG in season 2, LosirA, Bunny, pre-retirement ByuL, Cure, MMA - and that gets you to around 45-50 games depending on your exact definition, against 'reasonable' Korean competition. Note that 16 of these games are against top tier competition (Maru, Classic, TY) - GuMiho is 3-13 in those games. If you wanna add in Dear when he was good, that brings it to 3-15. Serral has played 33 games against Koreans, which is fewer, but 30 of them are against 'relevant' koreans, and he's now 8-8 against 'top 5' koreans, not including wins over people like Trap and Zest who are also better than just about anyone GuMiho has beaten this year. I don't get this argument. Is playing 20 games against shitty mediocre competition really the difference between #9 and #8, even if #9 is better at actually winning against good people? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Penev
28524 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:51 Soularion wrote: GuMiho literally has not won an offline Bo5 against a Korean. GuMiho has not won an offline Bo3 against a top-10 Korean outside of maybe sOs. Serral now has at least four of those. GuMiho has played a grand total of 59 games against Koreans offline. You can shave off the games against 'irrelevant players' - PartinG in season 2, LosirA, Bunny, pre-retirement ByuL, Cure, MMA - and that gets you to around 45-50 games depending on your exact definition, against 'reasonable' Korean competition. Note that 16 of these games are against top tier competition (Maru, Classic, TY) - GuMiho is 3-13 in those games. If you wanna add in Dear when he was good, that brings it to 3-15. Serral has played 33 games against Koreans, which is fewer, but 30 of them are against 'relevant' koreans, and he's now 8-8 against 'top 5' koreans, not including wins over people like Trap and Zest who are also better than just about anyone GuMiho has beaten this year. I don't get this argument. Is playing 20 games against shitty mediocre competition really the difference between #9 and #8, even if #9 is better at actually winning against good people? You called Bunny irrelevant, can't take you seriously sorry | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:50 Charoisaur wrote: I didn't say that but it seems they are close in skill level so I don't understand why he says Serral's gonna bop Classic maybe you shouldn't just mention the series classic won and ignore the one he lost. might sound a bit biased for the naive reader | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Biscuittzz
155 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote: I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly. This result is great but I feel the 'disrespect' comes from the fact that we've seen a foreigner hit the highs before with Neeb and never get near it again. So I understand peoples apprehension possibly and not buying into the hype. Serral is exceptional and his win well deserved. Only problem I have is now we have to listen to a narrative of foreigners competing again on the same level with Koreans and how Blizzcon will be good. I'm sorry but no. The only player competing is Serral. Just like when they said foreigners could compete last year based on Neeb's exceptional results. It was Neeb last year and Serral this year, two outstanding players well ahead of the foreigner curve but not even two swallows make a summer. I do hope Serral continues doing well however as I don't think we've seen such a complete player in years. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17729 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Thats an insult to a Finn if I ever heard one! | ||
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Penev
28524 Posts
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Elentos
55571 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:54 Elentos wrote: NOT 3-0 No gap in KR vs KR | ||
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