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On August 04 2018 18:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Gyuri please don't let us down, if Classic wins you need to ask about this build.
Yeah I want to hear our dead-inside translator talk about this.
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Guess Classic powers up in PvZ when he wants to beat Dark.
Here comes another serving of egg to the face...
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On August 04 2018 18:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Gyuri please don't let us down, if Classic wins you need to ask about this build. Yeah I want to hear our dead-inside translator talk about this.
"He didn't see the cannon, I was lucky" don't need the interview
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On August 04 2018 18:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Gyuri please don't let us down, if Classic wins you need to ask about this build. Yeah I want to hear our dead-inside translator talk about this.
you're just jealous you don't look like wolf
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On August 04 2018 18:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 17:58 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:51 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 04 2018 17:32 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:29 Penev wrote:On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:23 geokilla wrote:
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I believed them and bet on innovation to win. Man the regrets are real. I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly. Sheer disrespect? I usually just see people questioning Serral's hype train just because there's been so little interaction between him and (top) Koreans. And pretty much everything seems to think he's really good? I'll go through and post a bunch of Serral-related quotes on here that seem stupid to me, but just him being placed as #9 under goddamn GuMiho (who, for the record, has not won a SINGLE offline Bo5 against koreans this year, let alone top tier koreans, while Serral has now won his third.. on top of that, Serral has three top-tier Bo3+ wins - Rogue, Classic, INno - while GuMiho's best Bo3 wins are against the likes of sOs, ByuN, herO, Trap. That's ridiculous to me. Disrespectful. uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him. I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today... GuMiho literally has not won an offline Bo5 against a Korean. GuMiho has not won an offline Bo3 against a top-10 Korean outside of maybe sOs. Serral now has at least four of those. GuMiho has played a grand total of 59 games against Koreans offline. You can shave off the games against 'irrelevant players' - PartinG in season 2, LosirA, Bunny, pre-retirement ByuL, Cure, MMA - and that gets you to around 45-50 games depending on your exact definition, against 'reasonable' Korean competition. Note that 16 of these games are against top tier competition (Maru, Classic, TY) - GuMiho is 3-13 in those games. If you wanna add in Dear when he was good, that brings it to 3-15. Serral has played 33 games against Koreans, which is fewer, but 30 of them are against 'relevant' koreans, and he's now 8-8 against 'top 5' koreans, not including wins over people like Trap and Zest who are also better than just about anyone GuMiho has beaten this year. I don't get this argument. Is playing 20 games against shitty mediocre competition really the difference between #9 and #8, even if #9 is better at actually winning against good people? Why was Serral was getting put above Gumiho and Maru in the PR even before he won any of those? Could be because GuMiho isn't very good. This was before Serral had like any offline wins against top koreans. So? Winning a lot against foreigners is still better than losing to any moderately stiff opposition in Korea.
No it isn't. Gumiho was still doing pretty well against other koreans. Him and Maru were the two terrans that could have made ro8 in the first GSL season.
Serral had literally done nothing at that point against top players.
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On August 04 2018 17:54 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 17:50 Popkiller wrote:On August 04 2018 17:47 IshinShishi wrote:
I really dislike Serral, but I just don't see how you can even begin to make a case for Stephano over him. Stephano was a better drinker Thats an insult to a Finn if I ever heard one!
At least someone is concerned with the important stuff here.
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On August 04 2018 17:58 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 17:54 Biscuittzz wrote:On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:23 geokilla wrote:On August 04 2018 17:17 Soularion wrote:
every one of you motherfuckers who said 'serral can't compete with top korean terrans' smh.
you guys gave me so much depression commenting constantly that we overrated Serral and that he shouldn't keep climbing in the PR despite being so goddamn dominant.
This guy is legit. Pay attention. I believed them and bet on innovation to win. Man the regrets are real. I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly. This result is great but I feel the 'disrespect' comes from the fact that we've seen a foreigner hit the highs before with Neeb and never get near it again. So I understand peoples apprehension possibly and not buying into the hype. Serral is exceptional and his win well deserved. Only problem I have is now we have to listen to a narrative of foreigners competing again on the same level with Koreans and how Blizzcon will be good. I'm sorry but no. The only player competing is Serral. Just like when they said foreigners could compete last year based on Neeb's exceptional results. It was Neeb last year and Serral this year, two outstanding players well ahead of the foreigner curve but not even two swallows make a summer. I do hope Serral continues doing well however as I don't think we've seen such a complete player in years. Neeb was never good like Serral. Neeb saw something like 11 elimination games in his 4 WCSes, Serral saw his first against Scarlett this past season. Neeb fell out of IEM Katowice in disappointing fashion. Serral made semifinals over Zest, Rogue and Trap, then beat Classic at an event a couple months later. I agree with you on the foreigner part; I don't buy into any foreigner really being all that good other than Serral. That being said, I did think it was valid last year, because we did see Neeb face much better competition, and we saw this at Blizzcon with SpeCial beating Stats and TY, Elazer beating Dark, and sets like soO vs Nerchio and GuMiho vs Serral being at least pretty entertaining. This blizzcon will probably be a lot more one-sided.
To give Neeb some credit, at Katowice, he was literally one map win from moving on. He had beat hurricane in head to head, but was 1 overall map score below him. That was also the event where Neeb lost like 4 immortals for free after some lag in his match vs Serral (where he lost 1-2 as well). Maybe if that hadn't happened he beats Serral and moves on.
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On August 04 2018 18:02 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:02 Elentos wrote:On August 04 2018 18:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Gyuri please don't let us down, if Classic wins you need to ask about this build. Yeah I want to hear our dead-inside translator talk about this. you're just jealous you don't look like wolf
The translator is just a regular person haunted by Wolf's ghost who returned to the forsaken land of the GSL studio
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I'm actually kinda scared for Serral now since Classic seems like he is in some Has-y mood.
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On August 04 2018 18:05 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 17:58 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:54 Biscuittzz wrote:On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:23 geokilla wrote:On August 04 2018 17:17 Soularion wrote:
every one of you motherfuckers who said 'serral can't compete with top korean terrans' smh.
you guys gave me so much depression commenting constantly that we overrated Serral and that he shouldn't keep climbing in the PR despite being so goddamn dominant.
This guy is legit. Pay attention. I believed them and bet on innovation to win. Man the regrets are real. I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly. This result is great but I feel the 'disrespect' comes from the fact that we've seen a foreigner hit the highs before with Neeb and never get near it again. So I understand peoples apprehension possibly and not buying into the hype. Serral is exceptional and his win well deserved. Only problem I have is now we have to listen to a narrative of foreigners competing again on the same level with Koreans and how Blizzcon will be good. I'm sorry but no. The only player competing is Serral. Just like when they said foreigners could compete last year based on Neeb's exceptional results. It was Neeb last year and Serral this year, two outstanding players well ahead of the foreigner curve but not even two swallows make a summer. I do hope Serral continues doing well however as I don't think we've seen such a complete player in years. Neeb was never good like Serral. Neeb saw something like 11 elimination games in his 4 WCSes, Serral saw his first against Scarlett this past season. Neeb fell out of IEM Katowice in disappointing fashion. Serral made semifinals over Zest, Rogue and Trap, then beat Classic at an event a couple months later. I agree with you on the foreigner part; I don't buy into any foreigner really being all that good other than Serral. That being said, I did think it was valid last year, because we did see Neeb face much better competition, and we saw this at Blizzcon with SpeCial beating Stats and TY, Elazer beating Dark, and sets like soO vs Nerchio and GuMiho vs Serral being at least pretty entertaining. This blizzcon will probably be a lot more one-sided. To give Neeb some credit, at Katowice, he was literally one map win from moving on. He had beat hurricane in head to head, but was 1 overall map score below him. That was also the event where Neeb lost like 4 immortals for free after some lag in his match vs Serral (where he lost 1-2 as well). Maybe if that hadn't happened he beats Serral and moves on.
People always argue when I say this but Neeb deserved to advance at Katowice. He was winning against Serral until the technical issues happened. Had he won that game he makes the ro12
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On August 04 2018 18:03 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:58 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:51 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 04 2018 17:32 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:29 Penev wrote:On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:
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I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly. Sheer disrespect? I usually just see people questioning Serral's hype train just because there's been so little interaction between him and (top) Koreans. And pretty much everything seems to think he's really good? I'll go through and post a bunch of Serral-related quotes on here that seem stupid to me, but just him being placed as #9 under goddamn GuMiho (who, for the record, has not won a SINGLE offline Bo5 against koreans this year, let alone top tier koreans, while Serral has now won his third.. on top of that, Serral has three top-tier Bo3+ wins - Rogue, Classic, INno - while GuMiho's best Bo3 wins are against the likes of sOs, ByuN, herO, Trap. That's ridiculous to me. Disrespectful. uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him. I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today... GuMiho literally has not won an offline Bo5 against a Korean. GuMiho has not won an offline Bo3 against a top-10 Korean outside of maybe sOs. Serral now has at least four of those. GuMiho has played a grand total of 59 games against Koreans offline. You can shave off the games against 'irrelevant players' - PartinG in season 2, LosirA, Bunny, pre-retirement ByuL, Cure, MMA - and that gets you to around 45-50 games depending on your exact definition, against 'reasonable' Korean competition. Note that 16 of these games are against top tier competition (Maru, Classic, TY) - GuMiho is 3-13 in those games. If you wanna add in Dear when he was good, that brings it to 3-15. Serral has played 33 games against Koreans, which is fewer, but 30 of them are against 'relevant' koreans, and he's now 8-8 against 'top 5' koreans, not including wins over people like Trap and Zest who are also better than just about anyone GuMiho has beaten this year. I don't get this argument. Is playing 20 games against shitty mediocre competition really the difference between #9 and #8, even if #9 is better at actually winning against good people? Why was Serral was getting put above Gumiho and Maru in the PR even before he won any of those? Could be because GuMiho isn't very good. This was before Serral had like any offline wins against top koreans. So? Winning a lot against foreigners is still better than losing to any moderately stiff opposition in Korea. No it isn't. Gumiho was still doing pretty well against other koreans. Him and Maru were the two terrans that could have made ro8 in the first GSL season. Serral had literally done nothing at that point against top players.
Playing terran was in of itself grounds for disqualification from a power rank at that point in the year 
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On August 04 2018 18:05 kottbullar wrote:
I'm actually kinda scared for Serral now since Classic seems like he is in some Has-y mood.
Yeah Serral could definitely drop a map to something like last game.
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On August 04 2018 18:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:03 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:58 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:51 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 04 2018 17:32 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:29 Penev wrote:
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Sheer disrespect? I usually just see people questioning Serral's hype train just because there's been so little interaction between him and (top) Koreans. And pretty much everything seems to think he's really good? I'll go through and post a bunch of Serral-related quotes on here that seem stupid to me, but just him being placed as #9 under goddamn GuMiho (who, for the record, has not won a SINGLE offline Bo5 against koreans this year, let alone top tier koreans, while Serral has now won his third.. on top of that, Serral has three top-tier Bo3+ wins - Rogue, Classic, INno - while GuMiho's best Bo3 wins are against the likes of sOs, ByuN, herO, Trap. That's ridiculous to me. Disrespectful. uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him. I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today... GuMiho literally has not won an offline Bo5 against a Korean. GuMiho has not won an offline Bo3 against a top-10 Korean outside of maybe sOs. Serral now has at least four of those. GuMiho has played a grand total of 59 games against Koreans offline. You can shave off the games against 'irrelevant players' - PartinG in season 2, LosirA, Bunny, pre-retirement ByuL, Cure, MMA - and that gets you to around 45-50 games depending on your exact definition, against 'reasonable' Korean competition. Note that 16 of these games are against top tier competition (Maru, Classic, TY) - GuMiho is 3-13 in those games. If you wanna add in Dear when he was good, that brings it to 3-15. Serral has played 33 games against Koreans, which is fewer, but 30 of them are against 'relevant' koreans, and he's now 8-8 against 'top 5' koreans, not including wins over people like Trap and Zest who are also better than just about anyone GuMiho has beaten this year. I don't get this argument. Is playing 20 games against shitty mediocre competition really the difference between #9 and #8, even if #9 is better at actually winning against good people? Why was Serral was getting put above Gumiho and Maru in the PR even before he won any of those? Could be because GuMiho isn't very good. This was before Serral had like any offline wins against top koreans. So? Winning a lot against foreigners is still better than losing to any moderately stiff opposition in Korea. No it isn't. Gumiho was still doing pretty well against other koreans. Him and Maru were the two terrans that could have made ro8 in the first GSL season. Serral had literally done nothing at that point against top players. Playing terran was in of itself grounds for disqualification from a power rank at that point in the year
Maybe, but INno was rank 3 or 4 I think. Not having Maru even on it made me disregard it's validity tbh.
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"Nothing looking weird on either side so far" - Artosis, after Classic makes Cybernetics Core before the nexus.
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Everyone hoping for the serral vs maru finals and in the end it will be stats vs classic
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On August 04 2018 18:03 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:58 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 04 2018 17:56 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 17:51 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 04 2018 17:32 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 17:29 Penev wrote:On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:
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I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly. Sheer disrespect? I usually just see people questioning Serral's hype train just because there's been so little interaction between him and (top) Koreans. And pretty much everything seems to think he's really good? I'll go through and post a bunch of Serral-related quotes on here that seem stupid to me, but just him being placed as #9 under goddamn GuMiho (who, for the record, has not won a SINGLE offline Bo5 against koreans this year, let alone top tier koreans, while Serral has now won his third.. on top of that, Serral has three top-tier Bo3+ wins - Rogue, Classic, INno - while GuMiho's best Bo3 wins are against the likes of sOs, ByuN, herO, Trap. That's ridiculous to me. Disrespectful. uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him. I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today... GuMiho literally has not won an offline Bo5 against a Korean. GuMiho has not won an offline Bo3 against a top-10 Korean outside of maybe sOs. Serral now has at least four of those. GuMiho has played a grand total of 59 games against Koreans offline. You can shave off the games against 'irrelevant players' - PartinG in season 2, LosirA, Bunny, pre-retirement ByuL, Cure, MMA - and that gets you to around 45-50 games depending on your exact definition, against 'reasonable' Korean competition. Note that 16 of these games are against top tier competition (Maru, Classic, TY) - GuMiho is 3-13 in those games. If you wanna add in Dear when he was good, that brings it to 3-15. Serral has played 33 games against Koreans, which is fewer, but 30 of them are against 'relevant' koreans, and he's now 8-8 against 'top 5' koreans, not including wins over people like Trap and Zest who are also better than just about anyone GuMiho has beaten this year. I don't get this argument. Is playing 20 games against shitty mediocre competition really the difference between #9 and #8, even if #9 is better at actually winning against good people? Why was Serral was getting put above Gumiho and Maru in the PR even before he won any of those? Could be because GuMiho isn't very good. This was before Serral had like any offline wins against top koreans. So? Winning a lot against foreigners is still better than losing to any moderately stiff opposition in Korea. No it isn't. Gumiho was still doing pretty well against other koreans. Him and Maru were the two terrans that could have made ro8 in the first GSL season. Serral had literally done nothing at that point against top players.
It's worth noting that our voting largely took place before his Ro16 group because it takes time to write, edit and release these things, and before that group he wasn't a special player at all. If it was taken with a few days to stew, maybe he would've taken Serral's spot and pushed him down to #10.
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On August 04 2018 18:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Everyone hoping for the serral vs maru finals and in the end it will be stats vs classic
WHO CAN A-MOVE THEIR ARCHONS BETTER
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On August 04 2018 18:08 Durnuu wrote:
"Nothing looking weird on either side so far" - Artosis, after Classic makes Cybernetics Core before the nexus.
biggest miss call of all time?
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On August 04 2018 18:09 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Everyone hoping for the serral vs maru finals and in the end it will be stats vs classic WHO CAN A-MOVE THEIR ARCHONS BETTER
WHO WILL ATTACK INTO THE OPPONENT'S SHIELD BATTERIES
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On August 04 2018 18:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Everyone hoping for the serral vs maru finals and in the end it will be stats vs classic
I really wanna see the miracle Stats would have to pull to beat Maru
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