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On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless.
It didn't help that he faced Dark in the playoffs (who just makes every foreigner look stupid) and nearly moved on in a group with soO and Rogue
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On August 04 2018 18:16 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:15 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. His PvZ and PvT in blizzcon 2016 were not the best. In 2017 I don't think he would have stood a chance against the top koreans either (INno, TY, herO, Dark would have crushed him). He went 2-5 against soO and Rogue in his best matchup. I think you vastly underestimate the power mentality has. That's the difference between Neeb 17-2ing WCS Montreal and his struggles at the other 3 events, mainly, as far as I saw.
Mentality wouldn't have put him above Inno, Dark, herO, Rogue, etc. going into Blizzcon.
Like maybe 2016 coming off the KeSPA Cup run, but 2017? No way.
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On August 04 2018 18:18 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:16 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:15 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. His PvZ and PvT in blizzcon 2016 were not the best. In 2017 I don't think he would have stood a chance against the top koreans either (INno, TY, herO, Dark would have crushed him). He went 2-5 against soO and Rogue in his best matchup. I think you vastly underestimate the power mentality has. That's the difference between Neeb 17-2ing WCS Montreal and his struggles at the other 3 events, mainly, as far as I saw. He's not Lilbow. He still looked just as strong at both blizzcons as when he dominated wcs. And he never looked like he had a chance at either blizzcons.
His preparation and adaptability crumbled during 2017 Blizzcon, and his set with Dark was definitely in Lilbow vein during 2016 (plus he underperformed in groups).
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On August 04 2018 15:36 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 15:32 IshinShishi wrote:
if maru wins this one and next gsl I will accept him as the GOAT. but he's not a triple crown winner. hell, he's not even won in NA which is the easiest of them all to win
really? he's not even won in Africa which is the absolutely easiest of them all to win
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On August 04 2018 18:18 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. and nearly moved on in a group with soO and Rogue
He did? He went 2-5 against them. He barely won the first match 2-1 when Rogue made a lot of mistakes, then got stomped 2-0 in both follow-up matches.
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i heard neeb was 7201 mmr on the kr ladder in 2017
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On August 04 2018 18:20 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 15:36 Noonius wrote:On August 04 2018 15:32 IshinShishi wrote:
if maru wins this one and next gsl I will accept him as the GOAT. but he's not a triple crown winner. hell, he's not even won in NA which is the easiest of them all to win really? he's not even won in Africa which is the absolutely easiest of them all to win
Stephano the GOAT?
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On August 04 2018 18:16 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:15 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. His PvZ and PvT in blizzcon 2016 were not the best. In 2017 I don't think he would have stood a chance against the top koreans either (INno, TY, herO, Dark would have crushed him). He went 2-5 against soO and Rogue in his best matchup. I think you vastly underestimate the power mentality has. That's the difference between Neeb 17-2ing WCS Montreal and his struggles at the other 3 events, mainly, as far as I saw.
Agreed. For as good as Neeb is skill wise, his mentality is terrible.
Every time he starts talking to himself during a series you just know it is over.
He also never gained the confidence and aura around him that comes with winning stuff all the other great players have.
Serral on the other hand improved greatly in that aspect. After looking shaky eary on in his carrer he evolved into a stone cold killer.
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On August 04 2018 18:19 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:18 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:16 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:15 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. His PvZ and PvT in blizzcon 2016 were not the best. In 2017 I don't think he would have stood a chance against the top koreans either (INno, TY, herO, Dark would have crushed him). He went 2-5 against soO and Rogue in his best matchup. I think you vastly underestimate the power mentality has. That's the difference between Neeb 17-2ing WCS Montreal and his struggles at the other 3 events, mainly, as far as I saw. He's not Lilbow. He still looked just as strong at both blizzcons as when he dominated wcs. And he never looked like he had a chance at either blizzcons. His preparation and adaptability crumbled during 2017 Blizzcon, and his set with Dark was definitely in Lilbow vein during 2016 (plus he underperformed in groups).
Nah, Lilbow fell apart more. I don't think Neeb really underperformed against Dark vs foreign zergs. Dark was just so much better. He barely lost any ZvP that year.
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the best example of Neeb mentality was when he was 1 win away from all killing Seeker's team FXO NA but then his mom told him he had to go to bed so he had to forfeit and FXO NA won the match
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On August 04 2018 18:21 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:19 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:18 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:16 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:15 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. His PvZ and PvT in blizzcon 2016 were not the best. In 2017 I don't think he would have stood a chance against the top koreans either (INno, TY, herO, Dark would have crushed him). He went 2-5 against soO and Rogue in his best matchup. I think you vastly underestimate the power mentality has. That's the difference between Neeb 17-2ing WCS Montreal and his struggles at the other 3 events, mainly, as far as I saw. He's not Lilbow. He still looked just as strong at both blizzcons as when he dominated wcs. And he never looked like he had a chance at either blizzcons. His preparation and adaptability crumbled during 2017 Blizzcon, and his set with Dark was definitely in Lilbow vein during 2016 (plus he underperformed in groups). Nah, Lilbow fell apart more. I don't think Neeb really underperformed against Dark vs foreign zergs. Dark was just so much better. He barely lost any ZvP that year.
Of course he fell apart MORE, but it was still a disgusting individual performance by Neeb. You see it a lot clearer this year with his sets against MaNa and Silky, and now against Dark too. Once Neeb gets behind there's absolutely no coming back.
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On August 04 2018 18:21 Shellshock wrote:
the best example of Neeb mentality was when he was 1 win away from all killing Seeker's team FXO NA but then his mom told him he had to go to bed so he had to forfeit and FXO NA won the match
Lul.
Did this actually happen?
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On August 04 2018 18:20 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:20 bearhug wrote:On August 04 2018 15:36 Noonius wrote:On August 04 2018 15:32 IshinShishi wrote:
if maru wins this one and next gsl I will accept him as the GOAT. but he's not a triple crown winner. hell, he's not even won in NA which is the easiest of them all to win really? he's not even won in Africa which is the absolutely easiest of them all to win Stephano the GOAT?
Doesn't count imo. Yes it was the Africa & Middle East qualifier, but the tournament itself was held in Dubai.
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On August 04 2018 18:21 Shellshock wrote:
the best example of Neeb mentality was when he was 1 win away from all killing Seeker's team FXO NA but then his mom told him he had to go to bed so he had to forfeit and FXO NA won the match
Lmao
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On August 04 2018 18:22 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:21 Shellshock wrote:
the best example of Neeb mentality was when he was 1 win away from all killing Seeker's team FXO NA but then his mom told him he had to go to bed so he had to forfeit and FXO NA won the match Lul. Did this actually happen?
yes and then FXO NA signed Neeb the next day
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On August 04 2018 18:22 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:21 Shellshock wrote:
the best example of Neeb mentality was when he was 1 win away from all killing Seeker's team FXO NA but then his mom told him he had to go to bed so he had to forfeit and FXO NA won the match Lul. Did this actually happen?
Yes
 Acer TeamStory Cup Season 1/US Qualifiers
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On August 04 2018 18:22 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 18:21 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:19 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:18 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:16 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:15 Fango wrote:On August 04 2018 18:13 Soularion wrote:On August 04 2018 18:11 Biscuittzz wrote:
I was more referring to Neeb's good year last year rather than a comparison between him and Serral this year. IMO Neeb's time has come and gone and he has fallen back into the level of above-average foreigner. I saw someone call him Snute 2.0 and I believe that is one of the best ways of putting it. I genuinely think Neeb could've been the best player in the world going into blizzcon the past two years if his mentality was better, and now that players in general are playing a lot better he's left even more hopeless. His PvZ and PvT in blizzcon 2016 were not the best. In 2017 I don't think he would have stood a chance against the top koreans either (INno, TY, herO, Dark would have crushed him). He went 2-5 against soO and Rogue in his best matchup. I think you vastly underestimate the power mentality has. That's the difference between Neeb 17-2ing WCS Montreal and his struggles at the other 3 events, mainly, as far as I saw. He's not Lilbow. He still looked just as strong at both blizzcons as when he dominated wcs. And he never looked like he had a chance at either blizzcons. His preparation and adaptability crumbled during 2017 Blizzcon, and his set with Dark was definitely in Lilbow vein during 2016 (plus he underperformed in groups). Nah, Lilbow fell apart more. I don't think Neeb really underperformed against Dark vs foreign zergs. Dark was just so much better. He barely lost any ZvP that year. Of course he fell apart MORE, but it was still a disgusting individual performance by Neeb. You see it a lot clearer this year with his sets against MaNa and Silky, and now against Dark too. Once Neeb gets behind there's absolutely no coming back.
Maybe. But I'd still argue Neeb's chances of winning either blizzcon were zero to none anyway. His PvT was never great and the other matches were rarely on the top level
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Another Classic vs Serral encounter :x?
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On August 04 2018 18:25 Shellshock wrote:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xzeHnNQ.png)
Wait. ZombieGrub was on Neeb's team?
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EPT
