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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 04 2018 08:44 GMT
#561
Imagine a Stats vs Classic final after all the hype
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 04 2018 08:44 GMT
#562
On August 04 2018 17:42 yht9657 wrote:
For the sake of KR pride Dark better not lose this, Serral's gonna bop Classic harder than he did to Inno.


If he beats Dark hopefully that would mean that Classic's PvZ has considerably improved.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 04 2018 08:44 GMT
#563
On August 04 2018 17:42 Die4Ever wrote:
3-0 incoming?

Yes
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djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
August 04 2018 08:44 GMT
#564
Terrible idea from Dark to take this gold...
Polt | Bomber | MMA | Taeja | Maru | TY | Byun | Innovation
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 08:45:00
August 04 2018 08:44 GMT
#565
On August 04 2018 17:40 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:33 Kaewins wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:28 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:26 kottbullar wrote:
He still has alot more to prove before claiming the GOAT title.
plus alot more similar looking runs.

Certainly giving me the same vibe tho.

I think Serral has firmly seized the 'greatest peak foreigner' title at this point, and to be honest he has for me for quite a while. His peer dominance is far beyond what Stephano ever achieved and he's been similar against koreans.


Except for the fact Stephano was playing in 2 eras where there was no region locks and koreans were rolling over everything. Not just any koreans, but some of the greatest gamers of all time.

I respect Serral, he's extremely talented, but what he's doing now Stephano was doing when SC2 was the most watched and competitive e-sport in the world.

That's such a vague and stupid statement. Stephano played in the pre-KeSPA era. The players he played against (Polt, MC, DongRaeGu, MMA, MarineKing) had nowhere near the quality control today's players have, and he played against an enormous amount of mediocre koreans who would get steamrolled into irrelevance today (inori, boxer, lucky, thestc, sound, real, jyp, post-prime nestea, heart, ganzi, alicia, terran rain, daisy, keen, revival, crank).

That's bs.
The era he was playing in was far more competitive than any era of LotV. Don't let the nature of LotV fool you like nowadays players are mechanical gods or anything.
Plus most of the guys coming from kespa (even superstars) were as mediocre as the players you listed on sc2
WriterMaru
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 04 2018 08:44 GMT
#566
On August 04 2018 17:32 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:29 Penev wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:23 geokilla wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:17 Soularion wrote:
every one of you motherfuckers who said 'serral can't compete with top korean terrans' smh.

you guys gave me so much depression commenting constantly that we overrated Serral and that he shouldn't keep climbing in the PR despite being so goddamn dominant.

This guy is legit. Pay attention.

I believed them and bet on innovation to win. Man the regrets are real.

I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly.

Sheer disrespect? I usually just see people questioning Serral's hype train just because there's been so little interaction between him and (top) Koreans. And pretty much everything seems to think he's really good?

I'll go through and post a bunch of Serral-related quotes on here that seem stupid to me, but just him being placed as #9 under goddamn GuMiho (who, for the record, has not won a SINGLE offline Bo5 against koreans this year, let alone top tier koreans, while Serral has now won his third.. on top of that, Serral has three top-tier Bo3+ wins - Rogue, Classic, INno - while GuMiho's best Bo3 wins are against the likes of sOs, ByuN, herO, Trap. That's ridiculous to me. Disrespectful.


uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him.

I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today...
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
August 04 2018 08:45 GMT
#567
isnt artosis the fucking best?

yes he is
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
August 04 2018 08:45 GMT
#568
On August 04 2018 17:45 Argonauta wrote:
isnt artosis the fucking best?

yes he is

careful with the hyperbole
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 04 2018 08:45 GMT
#569
On August 04 2018 17:44 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:38 opisska wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:36 Kommander wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:33 Kaewins wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:28 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:26 kottbullar wrote:
He still has alot more to prove before claiming the GOAT title.
plus alot more similar looking runs.

Certainly giving me the same vibe tho.

I think Serral has firmly seized the 'greatest peak foreigner' title at this point, and to be honest he has for me for quite a while. His peer dominance is far beyond what Stephano ever achieved and he's been similar against koreans.


Except for the fact Stephano was playing in 2 eras where there was no region locks and koreans were rolling over everything. Not just any koreans, but some of the greatest gamers of all time.

I respect Serral, he's extremely talented, but what he's doing now Stephano was doing when SC2 was the most watched and competitive e-sport in the world.


On the other hand, you can say that the overall skill level today is much higher than it was back then during Stephano's time. SC2 is at a place where everything is pretty much figured out and the balance is better than it's ever been.


With half of the players retired, there not even being enough good players in Korea to make the Ro32 anything but a mostly shit-show and foreginers being locked in their own gated garden, I am not sure you can make such inferences.

In Stephano's era, half of the players (literally every KeSPA korean) hadn't even started playing yet. When Stephano won IPL 3 (which he did over zero koreans who would even rank in the top 50 all-time) the Code S Ro32 had such glorious names as Noblesse, Clide, Ensnare, asd, Virus, Genius, TOP, HongUn, July, Killer, CoCa. The Korean Happy made Ro4 that season. It was a joke outside of the absolute elite (MMA, Mvp, NesTea, maybe guys like DongRaeGu and Leenock who were coming into their own), but.. oh wait. Stephano played zero offline sets against any of those guys in their prime.

Stephano also had a better Proleague record than most of EG-TL so sure, whatever you say

Keep in mind you can only beat the players you face
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 04 2018 08:45 GMT
#570
On August 04 2018 17:45 Argonauta wrote:
isnt artosis the fucking best?

yes he is

The best caster EVER in starcraft
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
August 04 2018 08:46 GMT
#571
Artosis is THE BEST IN THE WORLD Tasteless
I Protoss winner, could it be?
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
August 04 2018 08:46 GMT
#572
On August 04 2018 17:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:42 yht9657 wrote:
For the sake of KR pride Dark better not lose this, Serral's gonna bop Classic harder than he did to Inno.

like he did at Katowice

More like WESG
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 04 2018 08:47 GMT
#573
I really dislike Serral, but I just don't see how you can even begin to make a case for Stephano over him.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16085 Posts
August 04 2018 08:47 GMT
#574
On August 04 2018 17:46 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:42 yht9657 wrote:
For the sake of KR pride Dark better not lose this, Serral's gonna bop Classic harder than he did to Inno.

like he did at Katowice

More like WESG

ah the WESG series was legit and the Katowice one wasnt. I understand.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 08:49:17
August 04 2018 08:48 GMT
#575
On August 04 2018 17:44 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:40 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:33 Kaewins wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:28 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:26 kottbullar wrote:
He still has alot more to prove before claiming the GOAT title.
plus alot more similar looking runs.

Certainly giving me the same vibe tho.

I think Serral has firmly seized the 'greatest peak foreigner' title at this point, and to be honest he has for me for quite a while. His peer dominance is far beyond what Stephano ever achieved and he's been similar against koreans.


Except for the fact Stephano was playing in 2 eras where there was no region locks and koreans were rolling over everything. Not just any koreans, but some of the greatest gamers of all time.

I respect Serral, he's extremely talented, but what he's doing now Stephano was doing when SC2 was the most watched and competitive e-sport in the world.

That's such a vague and stupid statement. Stephano played in the pre-KeSPA era. The players he played against (Polt, MC, DongRaeGu, MMA, MarineKing) had nowhere near the quality control today's players have, and he played against an enormous amount of mediocre koreans who would get steamrolled into irrelevance today (inori, boxer, lucky, thestc, sound, real, jyp, post-prime nestea, heart, ganzi, alicia, terran rain, daisy, keen, revival, crank).

That's bs.
The era he was playing in was far more competitive than any era of LotV. Don't let the nature of LotV fool you like nowadays players are mechanical gods or anything.
Plus most of the guys coming from kespa (even superstars) were as mediocre as the players you listed on sc2


So mediocre that the elephant in the room mostly eventually crowded out the old bunch.

On August 04 2018 17:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:32 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:29 Penev wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:25 Soularion wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:23 geokilla wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:17 Soularion wrote:
every one of you motherfuckers who said 'serral can't compete with top korean terrans' smh.

you guys gave me so much depression commenting constantly that we overrated Serral and that he shouldn't keep climbing in the PR despite being so goddamn dominant.

This guy is legit. Pay attention.

I believed them and bet on innovation to win. Man the regrets are real.

I mean let's not pretend that this result isn't surprising (personally I thought it'd be 3-1 either way but had a hard time deciding which way), but the sheer disrespect Serral gets on here sometimes makes no sense to me and it makes me so happy to see him play this well on a big stage again. This is the third time this year that he's shown up big on an international stage. Maybe he'll lose to Dark, maybe he'll lose to Maru in a stomp. But he's damn good and I hope people see that clearly.

Sheer disrespect? I usually just see people questioning Serral's hype train just because there's been so little interaction between him and (top) Koreans. And pretty much everything seems to think he's really good?

I'll go through and post a bunch of Serral-related quotes on here that seem stupid to me, but just him being placed as #9 under goddamn GuMiho (who, for the record, has not won a SINGLE offline Bo5 against koreans this year, let alone top tier koreans, while Serral has now won his third.. on top of that, Serral has three top-tier Bo3+ wins - Rogue, Classic, INno - while GuMiho's best Bo3 wins are against the likes of sOs, ByuN, herO, Trap. That's ridiculous to me. Disrespectful.


uhh...I'd still easily put Gumiho above him.

I know Serral's win was epic, me and a lot of others have egg on our face big time...but chill. He might very well go down 0-3 in the next round for all we know and we'll be trash talking you back. Why? Because he's still barely played any Koreans this year. We still don't have a good grasp on his form vs them. Gumiho has been tried and true all year and he actually plays in the GSL which is still the ultimate test. Whether or not he's played x-amount of bo5s or not his results carry more weight. His results against Koreans were also more recent as well (remember it's a power rank). Serral's last match against one was in April before today...


GuMiho has certainly been tried and tested all year, but he's been failing a lot of his tests and trials. Do you also think that Maru's TvT could be garbage, since he's only played one series of it since March?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 08:49:20
August 04 2018 08:48 GMT
#576
On August 04 2018 17:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:42 yht9657 wrote:
For the sake of KR pride Dark better not lose this, Serral's gonna bop Classic harder than he did to Inno.

like he did at Katowice

I felt bad for Classic at Katowice. Almost everyone was cheering for Serral and Classic got barely any support after 3-0'ing him.

Then when Rogue 4-0'd Classic the crowd all roared for him. He couldn't win.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16085 Posts
August 04 2018 08:48 GMT
#577
On August 04 2018 17:47 IshinShishi wrote:
I really dislike Serral, but I just don't see how you can even begin to make a case for Stephano over him.

In terms of peak skill level I think it's hard to not give Serral the edge.
In terms of achievements he's not even top 5 yet.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
uummpaa
Profile Joined July 2018
238 Posts
August 04 2018 08:48 GMT
#578
On August 04 2018 17:47 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2018 17:46 yht9657 wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:44 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 04 2018 17:42 yht9657 wrote:
For the sake of KR pride Dark better not lose this, Serral's gonna bop Classic harder than he did to Inno.

like he did at Katowice

More like WESG

ah the WESG series was legit and the Katowice one wasnt. I understand.


but the other way round it was?

i don't understand
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
August 04 2018 08:49 GMT
#579
Serral IMBA
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 04 2018 08:50 GMT
#580
The guy that wrote the Elephant article is probably still putting printouts of printscreens of mentions it gets more than half a decade later
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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