On April 06 2018 20:50 Ej_ wrote: [quote] Stats is absurdly better than ByuN
Is this a joke or? Stats is hella bad atm
Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
Okay so mostly ladder and some C-grade online tourneys. Thought so Don't have time to watch all those games that don't really matter since the meta in the actual tournaments is completely different than some practice games on ladder
Lol, C-grade online tournaments, ok then. It's still GSL level players playing each other. What they're doing is relevant. And the meta in tournaments is absolutely not different from ladder at all. It's a dumb myth.
On April 06 2018 21:06 sparklyresidue wrote: Byun's no Maru
Maru didn't play one legit macro game vs Stats. He will probably get wreck super hard by Classic tomorrow. He can't fuck protoss mind every single game, lol.
On April 06 2018 20:50 Ej_ wrote: [quote] Stats is absurdly better than ByuN
Is this a joke or? Stats is hella bad atm
Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
I dunno, I saw aLive try it vs Zest last week (Ballistix, I think) and Zest literally marched his army straight under six sieged Liberators and completely roflstomped aLive.
I remember the game specifically because it was super passive until that fight and Zest basically just amoved to win off even positions.
He is just Theorycrafting... He is right that the supreme late game can be Terran favored because of Raven ghost... In theory. But the fact is that maybe 1/200 games Terran is able to get to that stage. A) Terran cant afford to be passive and macro. Toss has so many early game harass options and better early eco that terran has to be super active on the map B) Toss simply wont allow it to get to that stage. If Terran does enough early damage protoss just dies in the midgame. If Terran does no damage or suffers some from protoss BS, terran just dies straight away, or in the midgame they try a desperation push and still die.
On April 06 2018 21:07 pvsnp wrote: I mean PvT isn't horrendously imbalanced, but the ~53% winrate is heavily reliant on Terran 2-base allining every game.
PvT is in decent spot. Terrans are just used to have above 50% winrate for like over 90% of sc2's existence.
On April 06 2018 21:09 Ej_ wrote: The only time PvT was balanced was when it was 40% back in the Katowice TY won. Terrans players are naturally more talented.
On April 06 2018 21:09 Ej_ wrote: The only time PvT was balanced was when it was 40% back in the Katowice TY won. Terrans players are naturally more talented.
On April 06 2018 21:03 Mun_Su wrote: whatr does the new collosus?
2-shots marines now, just like the HotS colossus, except also Protoss gateway tech is stronger and Marauders are weaker.
And deals less dmg to non light units. Stop being biased.
Yeah, so marauders are better against Colossi......except for the part where marauders got nerfed and stalkers buffed.
And toss open way greedier and get more upgrades and chargelots are way better and in-fight prism warp-in are fasters etc. So in total coloosi feels like 3x times stronger than in HoTs from a Terran perspective.
On April 06 2018 20:52 Poopi wrote: [quote] Is this a joke or? Stats is hella bad atm
Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
I dunno, I saw aLive try it vs Zest last week (Ballistix, I think) and Zest literally marched his army straight under six sieged Liberators and completely roflstomped aLive.
I remember the game specifically because it was super passive until that fight and Zest basically just amoved to win off even positions.
He is just Theorycrafting... He is right that the supreme late game can be Terran favored because of Raven ghost... In theory. But the fact is that maybe 1/200 games Terran is able to get to that stage. A) Terran cant afford to be passive and macro. Toss has so many early game harass options and better early eco that terran has to be super active on the map B) Toss simply wont allow it to get to that stage. If Terran does enough early damage protoss just dies in the midgame. If Terran does no damage or suffers some from protoss BS, terran just dies straight away, or in the midgame they try a desperation push and still die.
PvT in a nutshell, unfortunately... :/
Dude, I've literally seen it. There's no theorycrafting about it.
On April 06 2018 20:52 Poopi wrote: [quote] Is this a joke or? Stats is hella bad atm
Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
Okay so mostly ladder and some C-grade online tourneys. Thought so Don't have time to watch all those games that don't really matter since the meta in the actual tournaments is completely different than some practice games on ladder
Lol, C-grade online tournaments, ok then. It's still GSL level players playing each other. What they're doing is relevant. And the meta in tournaments is absolutely not different from ladder at all. It's a dumb myth.
Then instead of firing blind post some links here of the games that you're talking about... But you wont, because they don't exist, right?
On April 06 2018 20:52 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
Okay so mostly ladder and some C-grade online tourneys. Thought so Don't have time to watch all those games that don't really matter since the meta in the actual tournaments is completely different than some practice games on ladder
Lol, C-grade online tournaments, ok then. It's still GSL level players playing each other. What they're doing is relevant. And the meta in tournaments is absolutely not different from ladder at all. It's a dumb myth.
Then instead of firing blind post some links here of the games that you're talking about... But you wont, because they don't exist, right?
On April 06 2018 20:52 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
Okay so mostly ladder and some C-grade online tourneys. Thought so Don't have time to watch all those games that don't really matter since the meta in the actual tournaments is completely different than some practice games on ladder
Lol, C-grade online tournaments, ok then. It's still GSL level players playing each other. What they're doing is relevant. And the meta in tournaments is absolutely not different from ladder at all. It's a dumb myth.
Then instead of firing blind post some links here of the games that you're talking about... But you wont, because they don't exist, right?
I'm not going through hours of untitled VODs just to prove a point to a Terran whiner on a forum
On April 06 2018 20:52 Fyzar wrote: [quote] Imagine how shit ByuN is then
Well he is terran so hard to compare :x
Terran is pretty good right now, not sure what the issue is
Against Protoss? The meta is literally 2-base allins because there's no way to fight Protoss once they get splash.
The meta I've seen recently is players trying to get to lategame where Terran is now really favored if they get to ravens
Where did you see this? Maybe on a ladder? This never happens in pro plays. Both Toss and Terran are trying to end the game as early as possible. Toss has better early game options, if Terran holds on against cheese and/or does some early damage to toss Eco they can win in mid game, which seems to be kinda balanced. In a sense that who does more early game damage simply wins in the mid-game, because any early damage snowballs pretty hard in this MU
Watch online tournaments, Keen's been doing it, I saw it vs Zest for example, but also a few other games I can't remember. I also see it a lot watching Protoss like Stats, Parting and Zest stream.
I dunno, I saw aLive try it vs Zest last week (Ballistix, I think) and Zest literally marched his army straight under six sieged Liberators and completely roflstomped aLive.
I remember the game specifically because it was super passive until that fight and Zest basically just amoved to win off even positions.
He is just Theorycrafting... He is right that the supreme late game can be Terran favored because of Raven ghost... In theory. But the fact is that maybe 1/200 games Terran is able to get to that stage. A) Terran cant afford to be passive and macro. Toss has so many early game harass options and better early eco that terran has to be super active on the map B) Toss simply wont allow it to get to that stage. If Terran does enough early damage protoss just dies in the midgame. If Terran does no damage or suffers some from protoss BS, terran just dies straight away, or in the midgame they try a desperation push and still die.
PvT in a nutshell, unfortunately... :/
Dude, I've literally seen it. There's no theorycrafting about it.
Yes, but you have to watch ladder streams and some shitty online tournaments to actually see any of those games, if even that is true I have no way to confirm because I have no time to watch all of that. Why are we not seeing them in real relevant tournaments though? If that is the meta? But Okay whatever, live in your world I don't really care that much
EPT
Don't have time to watch all those games that don't really matter since the meta in the actual tournaments is completely different than some practice games on ladder
