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On March 04 2018 03:49 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:46 Zaros wrote:On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Darkhorse wrote:
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Probably yeah but some foreigners are close no? Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru  I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. Scarlett literally beat Serral just before her GSL match, they are both very good Serral is more consistent though Scarlett seems very peaky and easily thrown off her game. Scarlett is a very good player, but to me it feels as though she kind of has to prep for her opponent, and in situations where her prep isn't as strong (IEM WC, WCS) she falters super hard. It's tough to say someone's better than Serral when they've lost twice to Namshar, gotten thrashed by Guru, and lost to TRUE, all in their best (by far) matchup. Not to mention that she's also a combined 3-22 in games against Neeb, Kelazhur and uThermal, the three best non-zerg foreigners she's played.
She literally won the previous IEM with minimal prep for most series
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Time to watch Classic kill some nerds. Go my boy
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On March 04 2018 03:47 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:33 Ej_ wrote:
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He got the one more year already. He's by far the best foreigner. Probably yeah but some foreigners are close no? Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. I mean can we really knock Scarlett for dedicating herself to the most prestigious league? Surely then we must give her leave to lose elsewhere for not being “dedicated” to those tournaments because she’s focused on Korea
I guess she was also very dedicated to Korea when Hurricane knocked her out in ro32 and she wasn't winning jackshit abroad. The last month isn't just a fluke.
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Canada2764 Posts
On March 04 2018 03:47 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:33 Ej_ wrote:
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He got the one more year already. He's by far the best foreigner. Probably yeah but some foreigners are close no? Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. I mean can we really knock Scarlett for dedicating herself to the most prestigious league? Surely then we must give her leave to lose elsewhere for not being “dedicated” to those tournaments because she’s focused on Korea
No, but you can knock Scarlett for losing consistently to foreigners and faltering come the biggest tournament of the year so far (IEM WC). Not to mention, I honestly think in hindsight her GSL run has not been crazy strong. We've seen Rogue, INnoVation and Zest all consistently lose to foreigners recently, and with her incredible ability to prep, I don't think it's particularly surprising to see her overcome some struggling players. Does that mean that she's bad? Of course not. I actually think she might have the best ZvZ in the west, and if she beats soO, maybe even in the world. But her ZvP and ZvT have lagged far behind, compared to Serral who has consistently excelled in ZvP, remained solid in ZvT and isn't far behind Scarlett in ZvZ.
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On March 04 2018 03:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Jesus I never thought I’d see the day I’d be beating the drum for Scarlett in an LR thread lmao
She's third behind Serral and Neeb
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On March 04 2018 03:47 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:33 Ej_ wrote:
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He got the one more year already. He's by far the best foreigner. Probably yeah but some foreigners are close no? Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. I mean can we really knock Scarlett for dedicating herself to the most prestigious league? Surely then we must give her leave to lose elsewhere for not being “dedicated” to those tournaments because she’s focused on Korea
In terms of results I think she's close or even superior to Serral but looking at the games I have doubts whether Scarlett's playstyle has longevity while Serral is crushing it in macro games.
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United States23455 Posts
On March 04 2018 03:49 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:46 Zaros wrote:On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Darkhorse wrote:
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Probably yeah but some foreigners are close no? Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. Scarlett literally beat Serral just before her GSL match, they are both very good Serral is more consistent though Scarlett seems very peaky and easily thrown off her game. Scarlett is a very good player, but to me it feels as though she kind of has to prep for her opponent, and in situations where her prep isn't as strong (IEM WC, WCS) she falters super hard. It's tough to say someone's better than Serral when they've lost twice to Namshar, gotten thrashed by Guru, and lost to TRUE, all in their best (by far) matchup. Not to mention that she's also a combined 3-22 in games against Neeb, Kelazhur and uThermal, the three best non-zerg foreigners she's played.
That’s the same argument I always heard against Taeja but in reverse lol. It’s funny that people will hold being better in leagues or being better in weekend tournaments against you no matter which one
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On March 04 2018 03:50 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Jesus I never thought I’d see the day I’d be beating the drum for Scarlett in an LR thread lmao She deserves the credit these days. She finally won a premier tournament, and she's the first foreigner since Jinro to make it to the Ro8 in GSL after qualifying for it. She's doing things very few foreigners have ever done. For as good as Serral is playing, his achievements in this tournament are not that uncommon for good foreign players.
Just to nitpick I think she is first since Naniwa for ro8, if she gets ro4 that will be first since Jinro.
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On March 04 2018 03:51 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Jesus I never thought I’d see the day I’d be beating the drum for Scarlett in an LR thread lmao She's third behind Serral and Neeb
Fair enough
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Canada2764 Posts
On March 04 2018 03:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:49 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:46 Zaros wrote:On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:
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Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. Scarlett literally beat Serral just before her GSL match, they are both very good Serral is more consistent though Scarlett seems very peaky and easily thrown off her game. Scarlett is a very good player, but to me it feels as though she kind of has to prep for her opponent, and in situations where her prep isn't as strong (IEM WC, WCS) she falters super hard. It's tough to say someone's better than Serral when they've lost twice to Namshar, gotten thrashed by Guru, and lost to TRUE, all in their best (by far) matchup. Not to mention that she's also a combined 3-22 in games against Neeb, Kelazhur and uThermal, the three best non-zerg foreigners she's played. She literally won the previous IEM with minimal prep for most series
So she has one good performance (winning IEM Pyeongchang) and two terrible performances (losing to Namshar, Guru and TRUE in her best matchup) over the past few low-prep tournaments. Compared to Serral who hasn't lost to a bad player in 2018, and has massively succeeded in 2/3 of the major offline tournaments he's played in while doing okay at the third. Scarlett is very good, but she's not touching Serral in ZvP or ZvT.
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On March 04 2018 03:51 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:47 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Darkhorse wrote:
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Probably yeah but some foreigners are close no? Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. I mean can we really knock Scarlett for dedicating herself to the most prestigious league? Surely then we must give her leave to lose elsewhere for not being “dedicated” to those tournaments because she’s focused on Korea I guess she was also very dedicated to Korea when Hurricane knocked her out in ro32 and she wasn't winning jackshit abroad. The last month isn't just a fluke.
That didn’t really address my argument at all. “Dedicated to Korea” were his words not mine
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On March 04 2018 03:52 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:50 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 04 2018 03:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Jesus I never thought I’d see the day I’d be beating the drum for Scarlett in an LR thread lmao She deserves the credit these days. She finally won a premier tournament, and she's the first foreigner since Jinro to make it to the Ro8 in GSL after qualifying for it. She's doing things very few foreigners have ever done. For as good as Serral is playing, his achievements in this tournament are not that uncommon for good foreign players. Just to nitpick I think she is first since Naniwa for ro8, if she gets ro4 that will be first since Jinro.
Naniwa never qualified for GSL. He was given a seed. There's a big difference, especially in the era where Naniwa was playing the qualifiers for GSL were absolutely brutal.
Scarlett is the first since Jinro to qualify for the tournament and make it to the Ro8.
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On March 04 2018 03:52 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:51 Nebuchad wrote:On March 04 2018 03:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Jesus I never thought I’d see the day I’d be beating the drum for Scarlett in an LR thread lmao She's third behind Serral and Neeb Fair enough
After that it gets harder to call, probably Special and Showtime, uThermal and Elazer not far behind.
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On March 04 2018 03:46 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:45 redloser wrote:
Serral somehow reminds me of Stephano back in WoL days. Today was the first time that I got this feeling, since I saw the first stream of Stephano and he hotkeyed and rallied his eggs, which blew my mind. I am actually getting the urge to play sc2 from watching him and I haven't played in a month  .
Some would argue though that Stephano had to deal with a tougher field of competition though.
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On March 04 2018 03:54 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:52 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:51 Nebuchad wrote:On March 04 2018 03:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Jesus I never thought I’d see the day I’d be beating the drum for Scarlett in an LR thread lmao She's third behind Serral and Neeb Fair enough After that it gets harder to call, probably Special and Showtime, uThermal and Elazer not far behind.
swap Elazer and Showtime there
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Canada2764 Posts
On March 04 2018 03:53 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 03:51 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:47 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:43 Soularion wrote:On March 04 2018 03:42 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:39 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:37 Ej_ wrote:On March 04 2018 03:36 Darkhorse wrote:On March 04 2018 03:35 Durnuu wrote:
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Do you see any other foreigners in this top 12? I forgot that you’re only a top foreigner if you make top 12 in whatever IEM is currently in progress you can be a top foreigner and wont get close to touching serral Scarlett is literally sitting in top 8 of GSL Good for her. She also didn't even qualify for this tournmanet. Eliminated by TRUE and Guru I didn’t know this IEM was the be all end all lmao I’m getting a lot of blowback from Serral fans which is puzzling because I have literally only said nice things about him. I made a mere suggestion that some foreigners may be close to him Honestly, Serral's the best foreigner right now by a pretty significant margin. He shitstomped more or less everyone in WCS; he won the event with, like, 3 losses the whole way. Now he's trashing koreans, too, having won sets vs Trap, Zest, Rogue and Impact. You can't really say 'yeah, but Scarlett is top 8 in korea' because she's one of the few foreigners to really dedicate herself to GSL, so it's not an equal comparison. However, with Scarlett disappointing at both WCS and IEM, and Neeb not quite finding himself, Serral's left as the best foreigner by far right now. They can catch up - but it's going to be hard if Serral keeps this up. I mean can we really knock Scarlett for dedicating herself to the most prestigious league? Surely then we must give her leave to lose elsewhere for not being “dedicated” to those tournaments because she’s focused on Korea I guess she was also very dedicated to Korea when Hurricane knocked her out in ro32 and she wasn't winning jackshit abroad. The last month isn't just a fluke. That didn’t really address my argument at all. “Dedicated to Korea” were his words not mine
I'm not saying that to talk down at Scarlett - I still think she's top 3 in the west and I actually put her above Serral going into this tournament. I just think it's unfair to say "yeah, but she's doing really well in GSL" when no other big name foreigner is playing in GSL, so who knows how they would've done. Considering how poorly INno, Rogue and Zest have played vs zerg recently (and the fact that Serral has beat 2/3 of them, while the other completely bombed this tournament), it's tough to hold those three sets up and say "Yes, she is the best in the west due to this". Her IEM Pyeongchang run was as good as her WCS and IEM WC runs were bad, so that somewhat evens out to me.
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Austria24422 Posts
Outmicroing blink stalkers with prism stalkers, goddamn
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Having a warp prism > Having blink
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EPT
