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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
January 31 2018 10:38 GMT
#141
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote:
Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips.


He also got murdered by Keen when he tried


"murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 31 2018 10:39 GMT
#142
Ok Group Selection thread is up which should start in around 90 minutes...might start before i don't know.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 10:39:36
January 31 2018 10:39 GMT
#143
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote:
Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips.


He also got murdered by Keen when he tried


I didn't see the games but from the comments I got the impression the games were over quick with Maru losing the cyclone phase?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
January 31 2018 10:40 GMT
#144
On January 31 2018 19:39 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote:
Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips.


He also got murdered by Keen when he tried


I didn't see the games but from the comments I got the impression the games were over quick with Maru losing the cyclone phase?

Yes, the "macro" phase was just Maru cutting corners and Keen in the lead.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 31 2018 10:40 GMT
#145
Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing.
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GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
January 31 2018 10:40 GMT
#146
On January 31 2018 19:38 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote:
Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips.


He also got murdered by Keen when he tried


"murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser


proxy reaper definitely morally superior
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
January 31 2018 10:42 GMT
#147
On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing.

But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
January 31 2018 10:42 GMT
#148
On January 31 2018 19:38 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote:
Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips.


He also got murdered by Keen when he tried


"murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser

reaper = good and Cyclone = abuser ?
This is like saying ling-baneling all in in ZvZ is genius and roach war is bad. I failed to see the rationale here.
Bulky units like cyclone does require good micro to use properly. Similar to setting up good concave in a roach war.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 31 2018 10:44 GMT
#149
On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing.

But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game

I also don't think Maru is good late game TvT anyway. In LOTV he basically is imo MKP mark II where he just goofs randomly trying assert pressure on the map which is just way to risky in Marine Tank comps. One bad siege / un siege and you can lose the game which is how i reminded myself of the Maru vs GuMiho series last year in Quarter Finals.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
January 31 2018 10:45 GMT
#150
sheesh guys calm down, maybe the meta needs to settle, maybe both just like flipping coins, its fine its a mirror, if you wanted you could play standard, if you don't, this happens.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2018 10:47 GMT
#151
Maybe they both suck.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 10:51:02
January 31 2018 10:49 GMT
#152
On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing.

But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game


That's the point. Maru's lategame is very good but he always goes for coinflip builds (rushes, fast 3 CC) and loses earlygame.

In iem against gumiho, he was fighting well in the lategame, yet he lost the series 3-2. All three loses were due to coinflip openings.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
January 31 2018 10:51 GMT
#153
On January 31 2018 19:42 Yiome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:38 DieuCure wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:37 Fango wrote:
Maru's standard/lategame TvT is one of the best in Korea, but he avoids it at all costs for some reason. Always goes for proxies or coinflips.


He also got murdered by Keen when he tried


"murdered" he isnt a Cyclose abuser

reaper = good and Cyclone = abuser ?
This is like saying ling-baneling all in in ZvZ is genius and roach war is bad. I failed to see the rationale here.
Bulky units like cyclone does require good micro to use properly. Similar to setting up good concave in a roach war.

Cyclone requires good micro? What? :s
Compared to reaper it's nothing really
WriterMaru
XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
January 31 2018 10:53 GMT
#154
Wait.....Keen won first 2 vs maru because mech is stronger than bio in tvt. what happened in the second set? i didnt see it, did maru go bio again and kill keen before he even had the chance to make mech strong?was maru's multitasking too hard for keen to handle?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 31 2018 10:56 GMT
#155
On January 31 2018 19:53 Secured wrote:
Wait.....Keen won first 2 vs maru because mech is stronger than bio in tvt. what happened in the second set? i didnt see it, did maru go bio again and kill keen before he even had the chance to make mech strong?was maru's multitasking too hard for keen to handle?


Maru went proxy reaper both games, keen didn't scout.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
January 31 2018 10:56 GMT
#156
I was just pointing out that he wasnt murdered, but just cycloned
TL+ Member
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
January 31 2018 11:07 GMT
#157
On January 31 2018 19:44 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing.

But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game

I also don't think Maru is good late game TvT anyway. In LOTV he basically is imo MKP mark II where he just goofs randomly trying assert pressure on the map which is just way to risky in Marine Tank comps. One bad siege / un siege and you can lose the game which is how i reminded myself of the Maru vs GuMiho series last year in Quarter Finals.

Well, I'm not saying he's good, just that there wasn't any real end game To me it looks that Maru is lost in the early game, but I saw him play 4 games only
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
January 31 2018 11:21 GMT
#158
On January 31 2018 19:33 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:32 Mun_Su wrote:
Maru's play is really awfull to watch, hope he get a hard group next stage

How come he's in your sig, lol. I agree though.



haha true, but I was talking about these two games. He is in my sig because of good memories (mainly because of some of his TvP and his TvZ against Life in IEM Tappei)
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 31 2018 11:23 GMT
#159
On January 31 2018 19:44 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:42 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
Maru lost early game but he was the one going greedy, he was getting his 3rd CC out by the time Keen would push with 3 Cylone and a tank or two and Maru would have literally nothing.

But that's the issue here You can't talk about murdering in the lategame when he lost the game in the early game

I also don't think Maru is good late game TvT anyway. In LOTV he basically is imo MKP mark II where he just goofs randomly trying assert pressure on the map which is just way to risky in Marine Tank comps. One bad siege / un siege and you can lose the game which is how i reminded myself of the Maru vs GuMiho series last year in Quarter Finals.


That's just not true. Maru's lategame TvT is usually defensive, he basically copied TYs style of holding expansions while sending 1-2 medivacs at a time to harass. What you're describing is closer to ByuN or aLive.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
RoflStomped
Profile Joined July 2017
Iceland21 Posts
January 31 2018 12:08 GMT
#160
Some crazy games tonight. but Noregret needs to ease up on the balance complaining while casting. Act professional.

Those last 2 Maru games had me in hysterics. Poor Keen.
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