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It is true that if Inno didn't win VSL and soO didn't come second, people wouldn't be hyping it up as a massive starleague.
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On July 24 2017 02:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:37 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2017 02:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 24 2017 02:35 Ej_ wrote:On July 24 2017 02:34 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
If soO loses to you in the finals it's a real™ GSL VSL = GSL. It is known. INnoVation 3x GSL champion  VSL is the one tournament that I am not sure if is a starleague or a special event. yeah VSL is a really strange beast, I don't know how to count it either It's a Premier Team League with a meme league attached. isn't that SSL ?
How many team leagues does SSL have
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On July 24 2017 02:36 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:31 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:28 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:25 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:24 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:23 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:21 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:20 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:19 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:18 Ej_ wrote:
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And the liberal interpretation of his GSL cup vs PartinG It isn't liberal considering people count 4 GSLs for Mvp and 3 for Life. Which is wrong. The GSL World Championship (that Mvp won) is LITERALLY the WoL version of GSL vs the World. It is not a Code S by any stretch of the imagination and claiming otherwise is simply delusion. And yet it's how the community counts it. Same with Life's Blizzard Cup. So gotta stay consistent. Denial of evolutionary biology is also popular and consistent. Doesn't make it correct. That's a stupid argument. One is a denial of proven facts, the other is you pushing your criteria down others' throats. Please, tell me how a 32-player tournament played over the course of multiple months is functionally or in any other way identical to a 16-player (or less!) weekender. Proven facts. It was a GSL tournament, there are arguments to be made for calling it a GSL. You don't decide what a GSL is. The GSL does, and they counted Mvp's GC as one - thus the G5L trophy. I don't personally care either way, but I'm staying consistent with the way the community has always counted. "Proven facts". It had a three-letter acronym tacked onto the name, and nothing else. Neither of us decide what are the facts. Facts are facts by virtue of being true. That is why they are the facts. And 32 is not equal to 16, any more than three month equals three days. Those are the facts. And I never said it was. You've done nothing but argue a strawman this entire time. You've ignored everything I've said. So I'm just gonna go ahead and ignore you now. The fact that you get this obnoxious over a number really says it all.
If you uphold a mistaken definition without believing it yourself simply because "it is the community's will," while said community is actively disagreeing with you, it's probably best for you to just ignore me.
I agree, however, that this is going nowhere.
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On July 24 2017 02:38 Fango wrote:
people wouldn't be hyping it up as a massive starleague.
Who
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On July 24 2017 02:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 24 2017 02:37 Elentos wrote:On July 24 2017 02:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On July 24 2017 02:35 Ej_ wrote:On July 24 2017 02:34 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
If soO loses to you in the finals it's a real™ GSL VSL = GSL. It is known. INnoVation 3x GSL champion VSL is the one tournament that I am not sure if is a starleague or a special event. yeah VSL is a really strange beast, I don't know how to count it either It's a Premier Team League with a meme league attached. isn't that SSL ? How many team leagues does SSL have
oh I thought you were talking about challenge, which imo is the memest of the memest leagues
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Maybe in the end we should just watch people play different people and judge them by WR and h2h record, instead of adding meaningless labels to pieces of metal and cash prize.
It will remain a mystery.
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On July 24 2017 02:37 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:36 nath wrote:On July 24 2017 02:18 Charoisaur wrote:On July 24 2017 02:16 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:13 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:11 Scarlett` wrote:On July 24 2017 02:05 pvsnp wrote:
Holy shit, Gumiho lost to Zest?
I just got here and didn't bother to check the bracket because I assumed Gumiho won for sure.
*checks liquipedia*
My god, it's true! why is this surprising I'm not a huge fan of Gumiho, so I didn't assume he was invincible or anything. In fact, I think he's pretty inconsistent. But still, the GSL champion losing to a guy who failed to qualify is....unexpected to say the least. Even with his inconsistency his skill floor should be above Zest. And Gumiho said himself that TvP is his best MU. Zest played quite well though. Everyone knows Zest has the potential to beat GuMiho, and anyone else in the world. I find that reaction hard to justify just because he's done poorly for a while. People practice and improve, and in this case you're talking about a 3x GSL champion. He hasn't beaten a good player in an offline match the entire year. That doesn't refute a single point he made... Nobody denies that Zest has the potential. He simply has not shown any sign of using that potential for all of 2017. Until now, at least.
Except that time he qualified for SSL with straight wins over soO, herO and Dark
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On July 24 2017 02:38 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:36 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:31 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:28 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:25 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:24 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:23 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:21 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:20 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:19 Olli wrote:
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It isn't liberal considering people count 4 GSLs for Mvp and 3 for Life. Which is wrong. The GSL World Championship (that Mvp won) is LITERALLY the WoL version of GSL vs the World. It is not a Code S by any stretch of the imagination and claiming otherwise is simply delusion. And yet it's how the community counts it. Same with Life's Blizzard Cup. So gotta stay consistent. Denial of evolutionary biology is also popular and consistent. Doesn't make it correct. That's a stupid argument. One is a denial of proven facts, the other is you pushing your criteria down others' throats. Please, tell me how a 32-player tournament played over the course of multiple months is functionally or in any other way identical to a 16-player (or less!) weekender. Proven facts. It was a GSL tournament, there are arguments to be made for calling it a GSL. You don't decide what a GSL is. The GSL does, and they counted Mvp's GC as one - thus the G5L trophy. I don't personally care either way, but I'm staying consistent with the way the community has always counted. "Proven facts". It had a three-letter acronym tacked onto the name, and nothing else. Neither of us decide what are the facts. Facts are facts by virtue of being true. That is why they are the facts. And 32 is not equal to 16, any more than three month equals three days. Those are the facts. And I never said it was. You've done nothing but argue a strawman this entire time. You've ignored everything I've said. So I'm just gonna go ahead and ignore you now. The fact that you get this obnoxious over a number really says it all. If you uphold a mistaken definition without believing it yourself simply because "it is the community's will," while said community is actively disagreeing with you, it's probably best for you to just ignore me.
You are not the community.
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On July 24 2017 02:34 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
If soO loses to you in the finals it's a real™ GSL VSL = GSL. It is known. INnoVation 3x GSL champion
Yes, it is known
Pardon me, I am just finally reading asoaif so I have strong urges to make sure every "it is known" is properly responded to.
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On July 24 2017 02:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:37 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:36 nath wrote:On July 24 2017 02:18 Charoisaur wrote:On July 24 2017 02:16 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:13 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:11 Scarlett` wrote:On July 24 2017 02:05 pvsnp wrote:
Holy shit, Gumiho lost to Zest?
I just got here and didn't bother to check the bracket because I assumed Gumiho won for sure.
*checks liquipedia*
My god, it's true! why is this surprising I'm not a huge fan of Gumiho, so I didn't assume he was invincible or anything. In fact, I think he's pretty inconsistent. But still, the GSL champion losing to a guy who failed to qualify is....unexpected to say the least. Even with his inconsistency his skill floor should be above Zest. And Gumiho said himself that TvP is his best MU. Zest played quite well though. Everyone knows Zest has the potential to beat GuMiho, and anyone else in the world. I find that reaction hard to justify just because he's done poorly for a while. People practice and improve, and in this case you're talking about a 3x GSL champion. He hasn't beaten a good player in an offline match the entire year. That doesn't refute a single point he made... Nobody denies that Zest has the potential. He simply has not shown any sign of using that potential for all of 2017. Until now, at least. Except that time he qualified for SSL with straight wins over soO, herO and Dark
But those games weren't broadcast, and all people got was Zest losing every week in SSL Premier.
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I dislike the War Chest Ghost skin.
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What happened to Viper's goat rating anyway? That would make these discussion obsolete 
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On July 24 2017 02:40 Elentos wrote:
I dislike the War Chest Ghost skin.
I dislike every skin
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On July 24 2017 02:39 Ej_ wrote:
Maybe in the end we should just watch people play different people and judge them by WR and h2h record, instead of adding meaningless labels to pieces of metal and cash prize.
It will remain a mystery.
well then Nadal would be considered better than Federer and that would be quite a heresy
It makes sense to watch people play and appreciate it when they show incredible level (even if that doesn't translate in many prestigious wins) but WR and h2h can be very misleading I think
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On July 24 2017 02:40 opisska wrote:What happened to Viper's goat rating anyway? That would make these discussion obsolete
He got banned because zest wasn't #1
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On July 24 2017 02:39 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:38 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:36 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:31 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:28 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:25 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:24 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:23 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2017 02:21 Olli wrote:On July 24 2017 02:20 pvsnp wrote:
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Which is wrong. The GSL World Championship (that Mvp won) is LITERALLY the WoL version of GSL vs the World.
It is not a Code S by any stretch of the imagination and claiming otherwise is simply delusion. And yet it's how the community counts it. Same with Life's Blizzard Cup. So gotta stay consistent. Denial of evolutionary biology is also popular and consistent. Doesn't make it correct. That's a stupid argument. One is a denial of proven facts, the other is you pushing your criteria down others' throats. Please, tell me how a 32-player tournament played over the course of multiple months is functionally or in any other way identical to a 16-player (or less!) weekender. Proven facts. It was a GSL tournament, there are arguments to be made for calling it a GSL. You don't decide what a GSL is. The GSL does, and they counted Mvp's GC as one - thus the G5L trophy. I don't personally care either way, but I'm staying consistent with the way the community has always counted. "Proven facts". It had a three-letter acronym tacked onto the name, and nothing else. Neither of us decide what are the facts. Facts are facts by virtue of being true. That is why they are the facts. And 32 is not equal to 16, any more than three month equals three days. Those are the facts. And I never said it was. You've done nothing but argue a strawman this entire time. You've ignored everything I've said. So I'm just gonna go ahead and ignore you now. The fact that you get this obnoxious over a number really says it all. If you uphold a mistaken definition without believing it yourself simply because "it is the community's will," while said community is actively disagreeing with you, it's probably best for you to just ignore me. You are not the community.
Nor am I alone. Or are all of us who disagree "not the community?"
No True Scotsman fallacy?
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On July 24 2017 02:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:38 Fango wrote:
people wouldn't be hyping it up as a massive starleague. Who
Everyone. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think VSL got the same level of discussion or prestige. That is until Inno beat soO in the finals
For example, Impact won season 1 and he's lucky to be brought up in convorsation. Meanwhile when Stats/Inno/Gumiho win a starleague around the same time it's a massive deal
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On July 24 2017 02:40 GumBa wrote:I dislike every skin
Same
give me that standard skins mod
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On July 24 2017 02:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:40 GumBa wrote:On July 24 2017 02:40 Elentos wrote:
I dislike the War Chest Ghost skin. I dislike every skin Same give me that standard skins mod
I'm gonna tilt you by using different skins every game if we play in LRSL.
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On July 24 2017 02:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 02:40 GumBa wrote:On July 24 2017 02:40 Elentos wrote:
I dislike the War Chest Ghost skin. I dislike every skin Same give me that standard skins mod
€100
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