EPT[LRSL] Live Report Summer Open - Page 40
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
On August 19 2017 00:10 [PkF] Wire wrote: how does it feel ? When I first read the changes I thought that a lot of things looked silly but the more I look at it the more I think this has great potential I tried blink disruptor against terran and it feels really strong. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On August 19 2017 03:35 Charoisaur wrote: What's the tiebreaker when the map score is even and there's no head2head? Probably the buchholz | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
What's that? | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
From the challonge page : "The Median-Buchholz system is used to break ties in Swiss tournaments. The value displayed in the standings table is the sum of a player's opponents' scores, with the best and worst scores discarded" | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
On August 19 2017 03:49 Durnuu wrote: From the challonge page : "The Median-Buchholz system is used to break ties in Swiss tournaments. The value displayed in the standings table is the sum of a player's opponents' scores, with the best and worst scores discarded" This is stupid, you don't choose who your opponent is. So just because Wire happened to play opponents with a better score he's ahead of me? Edit: I'm not that desperate to get into the playoffs but the system doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I just don't understand it. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 19 2017 03:55 Charoisaur wrote: This is stupid, you don't choose who your opponent is. So just because Wire happened to play opponents with a better score he's ahead of me? Edit: I'm not that desperate to get into the playoffs but the system doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I just don't understand it. He didn't happen to get better opponents though. You lost the first two rounds which means you were very likely to face weaker opposition. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1923 Posts
On August 19 2017 03:55 Charoisaur wrote: This is stupid, you don't choose who your opponent is. So just because Wire happened to play opponents with a better score he's ahead of me? Edit: I'm not that desperate to get into the playoffs but the system doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I just don't understand it. OMW% (another version of Bucholz) is the first tiebreaker used in magic the gathering. It's far from stupid, it's actually the most accurate way to measure strength of schedule among opponents who haven't played one another in a swiss format. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
On August 19 2017 04:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He didn't happen to get better opponents though. You lost the first two rounds which means you were very likely to face weaker opposition. Still it's not all in your control. Let's say I win the first match and get matched against another player who won the first match. Then that player loses all following matches. Then I get negative Buchholz despite playing an opponent who at that time had all his matches won. | ||
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Elentos
55573 Posts
On August 19 2017 04:50 Charoisaur wrote: Still it's not all in your control. Let's say I win the first match and get matched against another player who won the first match. Then that player loses all following matches. Then I get negative Buchholz despite playing an opponent who at that time had all his matches won. The best and worst score are discarded for Buchholz - you realistically won't end up playing anyone who finishes with a worse score than the guy you just described. Unless you just happened to play the worst player in the league in week 1. But realistically, things even out as the league goes on. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
On August 19 2017 04:56 Elentos wrote: The best and worst score are discarded for Buchholz - you realistically won't end up playing anyone who finishes with a worse score than the guy you just described. But then the 2nd worst score doesn't get discarded (which otherwise would be) so it still punishes you for something out of your control. Though no complaints more from me, I guess it's true that Wire played better opponents than me. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1923 Posts
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GoloSC2
712 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 19 2017 05:24 mizenhauer wrote: Ej, can you update your match vs Cricketer and the golo/kashim match? And when is D-light/meepman? When I'm sober. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1923 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7170 Posts
On August 19 2017 23:02 mizenhauer wrote: Me vs Olli, the teamliquid team kill is tomorrow at 7 am est/1 pm cest. I'll be streaming fpv, does anyone want to cast the match or should I stream the replays? I'll cast if im awake | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On August 19 2017 23:02 mizenhauer wrote: Me vs Olli, the teamliquid team kill is tomorrow at 7 am est/1 pm cest. I'll be streaming fpv, does anyone want to cast the match or should I stream the replays? If the qualifications criteria for playoffs don't change, it's actually winner goes through (in second place even) with loser eliminated in all cases. What a high stake match ! Will try to be home from badminton for this. | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On August 19 2017 05:24 mizenhauer wrote: Ej, can you update your match vs Cricketer and the golo/kashim match? And when is D-light/meepman? waiting for a pm response, stay tuned! | ||
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Luolis
Finland7170 Posts
On August 20 2017 01:34 [PkF] Wire wrote: If the qualifications criteria for playoffs don't change, it's actually winner goes through (in second place even) with loser eliminated in all cases. What a high stake match ! Will try to be home from badminton for this. Wait, wouldn't Olli still go over you if he loses 1-2 as he won your head to head match? | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On August 20 2017 04:26 Luolis wrote: Wait, wouldn't Olli still go over you if he loses 1-2 as he won your head to head match? I don't think so. I said on stream that would be the case but I didn't realize Golo was 3-2 with 7 maps too. So, if Olli loses 2-1, since Golo would be tied with us and I won over him (while Olli didn't play Golo or Charoisaur), I'd have 1 win vs tied opponents as well and then I think my buchholz is higher. I can of course be wrong but if all of that is correct I'm in fact locked for 4th place, meaning we would play again, and a bo5 - something I'd be looking forward to and you as well I think ! | ||
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