• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:40
CEST 12:40
KST 19:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event8Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? [BSL22] RO16 Group B - Saturday 21:00 CEST BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1867 users

[WCS] Jönköping 2017 - Championship Monday - Page 31

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 80 Next
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 19 2017 16:01 GMT
#601
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?


The threat of terrorism always attracts masses, do you even watch our politics?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
June 19 2017 16:01 GMT
#602
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

ppl suck
I Protoss winner, could it be?
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-19 16:02:19
June 19 2017 16:01 GMT
#603
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

Most sheeple just have absolutely terrible taste in video games duh.
why even
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 19 2017 16:01 GMT
#604
On June 20 2017 01:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

More people play CS GO

so more people watch CS GO

But visually ... it is nice to play CS but not to watch some other teams play it. I don't get it.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 19 2017 16:02 GMT
#605
On June 20 2017 00:55 GoloSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:53 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:48 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


I think the problem is that in order to do equivalent damage as terran you have to doomdrop, which is allin. If neeb loses the prism they're even, but if it gets into the main then GG unless terran counterattacks

He isn't even if he loses the prism. Losing the prism is a huge blow


Not that big a blow tbh. They'd still be about even given neeb was up in supply.

No excuse for a single dropship killing 30 workers so fast. It would take a 3/4 medivac commitment from Major to do equivalent damage. And if he loses that its gg


that's very game specific though. major's proxy didn't really work out too well. if they were even, losing a prism is a big deal and he probably can't afford to warp in that many adepts / has to cut other stuuf to be able to.


Mass adept warpins in the main happens a lot though. and are you serious losing 200mineral dropship is a big deal? Neeb had enough money to do a mass warpin in the main and then killed 30 workers with it. Even if he loses the prism he can warpin 12 adepts at his 4th.

Major was already behind by failed proxy yh. But being out on the map when a warp prism arrives shouldn't be insta gg. In the opposite scenario (neeb being out of position and a medivac coming in), terran likely could only kill a few workers or pylons.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
June 19 2017 16:03 GMT
#606
On June 20 2017 00:58 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:54 yht9657 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:51 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015

protoss shouldn't be able to harass workers? But terran is allowed to do constant drop harass?


Adept harass will end the game though if not dealt with instantly.

A single prism can warp in 20 supply of adepts at once and kill 30 workers before terran can get back. A single medivac kills a few workers and then dies to overcharge/pheonixes mostly

lol adepts only kill workers and a dispatch of bio could deal with them ez while a missed terran doomdrop kills everything in ur base including all buildings, not all race could fly.


You just described it exactly. A terran has to DOOMDROP, aka go ALLIN to do equiv dmg. A single warp prism is like 200 minerals, hardly allin. the risk-reward is too good for protoss not to try warp in 15 adepts in the main. If terran is out of position you kill 30 workers and win, an equivalent single medivac will kill a couple workers and maybe a pylon.

yet if the protoss was not ahead like in that game the terran wont bother his scvs getting rekt at home cuz he could just walk across the map and kill the protoss who have just used up his warpins thus cant win a straightup fight.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 19 2017 16:03 GMT
#607
That Elazer could make the finals only having played a single non-Zerg and that was in the group stage is kind of dumb.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 19 2017 16:03 GMT
#608
On (T)JuNe 20 2017 01:01 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (T)JuNe 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, (P)How can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so (P)Nice and only 20k watch it?

Most sheeple (Z)just have absolutely terrible taste in video games duh.


Cs is very skill and strategy dependant. Of course its fun to watch.

Now hearthstone, there's an esport i don't get
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
June 19 2017 16:04 GMT
#609
On June 20 2017 01:03 Boggyb wrote:
That Elazer could make the finals only having played a single non-Zerg and that was in the group stage is kind of dumb.

Brackets like that happen :p look at Showtime's run at WCS Tours
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 19 2017 16:04 GMT
#610
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

CSGO is by far the most exciting esports for people who aren't extremely knowledgable about it. Not even close
The core design is also one of the best, probably the best.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
June 19 2017 16:04 GMT
#611
On June 20 2017 01:02 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:55 GoloSC2 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:53 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:48 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


I think the problem is that in order to do equivalent damage as terran you have to doomdrop, which is allin. If neeb loses the prism they're even, but if it gets into the main then GG unless terran counterattacks

He isn't even if he loses the prism. Losing the prism is a huge blow


Not that big a blow tbh. They'd still be about even given neeb was up in supply.

No excuse for a single dropship killing 30 workers so fast. It would take a 3/4 medivac commitment from Major to do equivalent damage. And if he loses that its gg


that's very game specific though. major's proxy didn't really work out too well. if they were even, losing a prism is a big deal and he probably can't afford to warp in that many adepts / has to cut other stuuf to be able to.


Mass adept warpins in the main happens a lot though. and are you serious losing 200mineral dropship is a big deal? Neeb had enough money to do a mass warpin in the main and then killed 30 workers with it. Even if he loses the prism he can warpin 12 adepts at his 4th.

Major was already behind by failed proxy yh. But being out on the map when a warp prism arrives shouldn't be insta gg. In the opposite scenario (neeb being out of position and a medivac coming in), terran likely could only kill a few workers or pylons.

I like how you compare a warpprism and a 12 adept warpin (26 supply) to a single medivac (10 supply).
When protoss is out on the map a triple medivac drop is often gg too.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 19 2017 16:04 GMT
#612
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

ded gaem
Community News
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 19 2017 16:04 GMT
#613
On June 20 2017 01:03 Boggyb wrote:
That Elazer could make the finals only havinig played a single non-Zerg and that was in the group stage is kind of dumb.


Zest one a kespa cup playing only pvp one time, so did neeb pretty much
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
June 19 2017 16:05 GMT
#614
there's only one true esport






I Protoss winner, could it be?
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 19 2017 16:06 GMT
#615
Stephano out.
Scarlett out.
Snute out.
Drogo out.
Bly out.

Well, what ca we do.

Go Diego, TODO BEEEEM!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 19 2017 16:07 GMT
#616
On June 20 2017 01:05 Penev wrote:
there's only one true esport

Trolling?
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 19 2017 16:07 GMT
#617
Penev, you are fucking evil. My whole net is hugged by the stream, so I thought that the empty space in your post is just something that didn't load and tried to click the shit out of it to find out what it could be, until I realized that I can just quote you and see you for the little bitch you are.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
712 Posts
June 19 2017 16:07 GMT
#618
On June 20 2017 01:02 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 00:55 GoloSC2 wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:53 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:49 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:48 Fango wrote:
On June 20 2017 00:45 JackONeill wrote:
Terran winning until 12 adepts kill 30 scvs.

LOTV, great game design since 2015


I think the problem is that in order to do equivalent damage as terran you have to doomdrop, which is allin. If neeb loses the prism they're even, but if it gets into the main then GG unless terran counterattacks

He isn't even if he loses the prism. Losing the prism is a huge blow


Not that big a blow tbh. They'd still be about even given neeb was up in supply.

No excuse for a single dropship killing 30 workers so fast. It would take a 3/4 medivac commitment from Major to do equivalent damage. And if he loses that its gg


that's very game specific though. major's proxy didn't really work out too well. if they were even, losing a prism is a big deal and he probably can't afford to warp in that many adepts / has to cut other stuuf to be able to.


Mass adept warpins in the main happens a lot though. and are you serious losing 200mineral dropship is a big deal? Neeb had enough money to do a mass warpin in the main and then killed 30 workers with it. Even if he loses the prism he can warpin 12 adepts at his 4th.

Major was already behind by failed proxy yh. But being out on the map when a warp prism arrives shouldn't be insta gg. In the opposite scenario (neeb being out of position and a medivac coming in), terran likely could only kill a few workers or pylons.


its not the 200 minerals that hurt but the robo build time. and did you see kela vs showtime on blood boil? showtime was picked apart by kela's drops cause he was out of position. terran drops can be just as game-ending
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
June 19 2017 16:07 GMT
#619
On June 20 2017 00:59 Diabolique wrote:
Can someone explain me, how can 100k people watch CSGO? What is interesting on watching it? Playing it is OK, but watching??? While watching SC2 is so nice and only 20k watch it?

I understand it with CS GO.
I don't understand it with LoL/DotA
at all...
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 19 2017 16:08 GMT
#620
On June 20 2017 01:05 Penev wrote:
there's only one true esport


memes?
why even
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 80 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 5: Group B
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
Tasteless454
IntoTheiNu 362
Ryung 289
IndyStarCraft 184
3DClanTV 93
Rex87
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 454
Ryung 289
IndyStarCraft 184
Rex 87
TKL 79
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 24623
Horang2 1787
Hyuk 693
Larva 385
Rush 342
Killer 292
Soma 237
Leta 155
EffOrt 148
ToSsGirL 119
[ Show more ]
Shuttle 115
Last 112
Pusan 93
PianO 75
sorry 61
ggaemo 58
Sharp 48
Hm[arnc] 46
[sc1f]eonzerg 33
NaDa 27
IntoTheRainbow 24
firebathero 23
NotJumperer 22
yabsab 18
Sacsri 17
Barracks 15
Shine 11
JulyZerg 8
Noble 8
GoRush 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 867
XcaliburYe274
monkeys_forever218
NeuroSwarm110
Counter-Strike
zeus1090
edward109
Other Games
singsing2047
B2W.Neo931
DeMusliM299
Livibee94
MindelVK19
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV512
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream79
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1608
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3h 20m
BSL
8h 20m
IPSL
8h 20m
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
13h 20m
Replay Cast
22h 20m
Wardi Open
23h 20m
Afreeca Starleague
23h 20m
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
1d 23h
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
3 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.