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djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
May 08 2017 13:20 GMT
#321
Good > Evil

Fuck yeah !!
Polt | Bomber | MMA | Taeja | Maru | TY | Byun | Innovation
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
May 08 2017 13:20 GMT
#322
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Saggymidgetbooty6969
Profile Joined September 2015
112 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 13:21:30
May 08 2017 13:21 GMT
#323
mule good unit

On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 08 2017 13:21 GMT
#324
Finally a watchable TvP series
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
May 08 2017 13:22 GMT
#325
On May 08 2017 22:13 djraphi23 wrote:
TIL the sky is a cheesy bitch


whaaaaaaa!!??
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
May 08 2017 13:22 GMT
#326
On May 08 2017 22:21 opisska wrote:
Finally a watchable TvP series


Maru stomp was watachable if you enjoy tosses getting rekt
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
May 08 2017 13:22 GMT
#327
tbf the game only was so close because Inno was late with re-walling his main ramp and all the adepts shaded in.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 08 2017 13:23 GMT
#328
On May 08 2017 22:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
mule good unit

Show nested quote +
On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA

If you think sOs deserved to win that, gtfo.
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Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
May 08 2017 13:23 GMT
#329
They really should reduce warp-in speed of warpprisms. Warpgate was a neat idea that totally backfired.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 08 2017 13:24 GMT
#330
On May 08 2017 22:22 Charoisaur wrote:
tbf the game only was so close because Inno was late with re-walling his main ramp and all the adepts shaded in.

He also went fast 3 CC and his starport was very late because of it.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 08 2017 13:27 GMT
#331
Maru, ByuL, Stats fighting for playoff spot
Dark, aLive, Patience fighting for Fast Lane seed
sOs, Zest fighting for last place
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 13:28:54
May 08 2017 13:28 GMT
#332
On May 08 2017 22:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
mule good unit

Show nested quote +
On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA

Mule and chronoboost are actually really easy to balance out, so consider them balanced.
However being able to almost win playing such a dumb style proves that the adept at its core is stupidly designed.
It's not a matter of toss being imba or not, but toss being so badly designed (at least regarding this unit, dunno about the other parts) that such stupid games can happen, with the player doing the strategy having a legitimate shot at winning against a top world player.
WriterMaru
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 08 2017 13:29 GMT
#333
Inno did say that it's impossible to hold the 7-gate Adept rush, and that was before the Adept nerf. If they had 10 more HP today, sOs would've won that.

Thank god for the Adept nerf.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12620 Posts
May 08 2017 13:29 GMT
#334
On May 08 2017 22:23 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2017 22:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
mule good unit

On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA

If you think sOs deserved to win that, gtfo.


Several people in this very thread thought that it was a massive mistake for Inno to go 3cc because sOs was too likely to do an all-in. Well, he did an all-in, and Inno won the game anyway. But somehow he still deserved to, because gtfo if you disagree.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 08 2017 13:31 GMT
#335
On May 08 2017 22:29 pvsnp wrote:
Inno did say that it's impossible to hold the 7-gate Adept rush

If you go CC first and get scouted early.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 13:34:35
May 08 2017 13:31 GMT
#336
On May 08 2017 22:29 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2017 22:23 pvsnp wrote:
On May 08 2017 22:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
mule good unit

On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA

If you think sOs deserved to win that, gtfo.


Several people in this very thread thought that it was a massive mistake for Inno to go 3cc because sOs was too likely to do an all-in. Well, he did an all-in, and Inno won the game anyway. But somehow he still deserved to, because gtfo if you disagree.

So are you saying that 8-gate Adept rushing should be viable at the pro level, and sOs should've won that? Pretty sure it's the common sentiment among fans and players alike that cheese is the "filthy" strategy that you try and throw at the wall and see if it sticks, as one of the casters said. It's just kind of disgusting to see somebody win a series by cheesing.

I was one of those people expressing horror at Inno going 3CC, yes, and I am also of the opinion that the less cheesy player is more deserving of the win.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 13:35:24
May 08 2017 13:33 GMT
#337
On May 08 2017 22:29 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2017 22:23 pvsnp wrote:
On May 08 2017 22:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
mule good unit

On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA

If you think sOs deserved to win that, gtfo.


Several people in this very thread thought that it was a massive mistake for Inno to go 3cc because sOs was too likely to do an all-in. Well, he did an all-in, and Inno won the game anyway. But somehow he still deserved to, because gtfo if you disagree.

3cc helped him actually, because he could power up mules so he had more leverage sacrificing scvs, and he could threaten sOs to mine at his third base location with mules, so sOs had to split himself a bit more if he didn't want INno to mine.
The game is not as simple as: "don't make CC against allins", because it depends on other factors.
For example during the 1-1-1 era, it was better to take a very fast 2nd base for the protoss (iirc at least), even tho the other player was doing a one base all-in, because the terran couldn't really punish it and it would help you against the inevitable push to have mined more ressources.

edit: but yeah there is no point telling people to gtfo, it's not sOs fault if Blizzard allowed such games (that could arguably be considered silly, imo they are) to happen. sOs has nothing to lose and is standing last so of course he'll try such strategies against a better (at least in LotV, sOs was better than INno at times in HotS) player, if he manages to make it work he deserves to win, and if his win seems stupid we just need to talk to blizzard about it.
WriterMaru
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
May 08 2017 13:34 GMT
#338
If maru wins 2-0 ByuL they are tied in map score and set score, otherwise ByuL gets seeded
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 08 2017 13:34 GMT
#339
On May 08 2017 22:31 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2017 22:29 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 08 2017 22:23 pvsnp wrote:
On May 08 2017 22:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote:
mule good unit

On May 08 2017 22:20 Weavel wrote:
Somehow even after Inno won i'm still angry about that game...


typical terran... HE WON BUT IT WAS HARD OMG TOSS IMBA

If you think sOs deserved to win that, gtfo.


Several people in this very thread thought that it was a massive mistake for Inno to go 3cc because sOs was too likely to do an all-in. Well, he did an all-in, and Inno won the game anyway. But somehow he still deserved to, because gtfo if you disagree.

So are you saying that 8-gate Adept rushing should be viable at the pro level, and sOs should've won that? Pretty sure it's the common sentiment among fans and players alike that cheese is the "filthy" strategy that you try and throw at the wall and see if it sticks, as one of the casters said. It's just kind of disgusting to see somebody win a series by cheesing.


Nobody is saying that it should be an autowin, but it shouldn't also be an autoloss - or, more generally, there just need to be cheeses that can win against a supergreedy eco build. Otherwise we can change the game so that the terran starts with 3 OCs every game to skip the boring part at the start.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 13:35:36
May 08 2017 13:34 GMT
#340
On May 08 2017 22:31 pvsnp wrote:
So are you saying that 8-gate Adept rushing should be viable at the pro level

Yes, for the sake of strategic variety.
On May 08 2017 22:31 pvsnp wrote:
and sOs should've won that?

No, because INnoVation's defense was almost perfect.
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