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On October 29 2016 05:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2016 05:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:43 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:42 Charoisaur wrote:
fuck violet winning would almost guarantee Showtime getting to the playoffs.. Dear somehow winning would also guarantee ShoWTime the playoffs. In fact even easier. huh... did you see today's games ? It wasn't that bad. Showtime was clearly better, but Dear winning the rematch wouldn't be insane. Especially since Dear would have tomorrow off to compose himself.
still needs to survive hardcore tilt mode
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In the French Twitch chat someone mentioned a very bad news about Dear, almost making him cancel his venue to Blizzcon. Does anyone knows something about it? (I won't say a thing about the news itself since there were no source)
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On October 29 2016 05:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:44 Durnuu wrote:On October 29 2016 05:43 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:42 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 29 2016 05:41 Urth wrote:
Remember when Dear was seriously considered as the best in the world? was around the time people still though flash was gonna be big in sc2 aswell if I recall correctly Since then Flash won more SC2 tournaments than Dear The lowest of lows I wonder who would lose in a match between INnoVation and Dear  Huh. Well in Proleague INno won... Maybe he could...?
Each time I think of INno winning a TvP Stork's face appears in my mind.
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Dear might not be a lost cause
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On October 29 2016 05:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:45 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:44 Durnuu wrote:On October 29 2016 05:43 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:42 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 29 2016 05:41 Urth wrote:
Remember when Dear was seriously considered as the best in the world? was around the time people still though flash was gonna be big in sc2 aswell if I recall correctly Since then Flash won more SC2 tournaments than Dear The lowest of lows I wonder who would lose in a match between INnoVation and Dear Huh. Well in Proleague INno won... Maybe he could...? Each time I think of INno winning a TvP Stork's face appears in my mind.
Ah, the Stork Scares. I'm expecting them to pop up in more and more video games and TV series, maybe even some movies.
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On October 29 2016 05:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:37 Probe1 wrote:On October 29 2016 05:36 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:On October 29 2016 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:
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pretty sure this affects the mentality of the players. I don't think it's a coincidence that foreigners are now catching up after 18 years of complete korean dominance at the exact same time all the teams are disbanding. right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed. I might have prevented a bunch of retirements. PartinG, HerO, Fantasy, Rain, Jaedong, Soulkey all retired or lost motivation because of wcs changes. Sure. TB also commented on how region lock cut of any other chance of funding for proleague teams: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp/And as you say some players might have stuck around longer. I'm not agreeing about the region lock anyway, I think it's stupid. But outside of that there's not much Blizzard could have done to prevent the situation in Korea. As much as I appreciate TBs constant contributions to SC2, he does not automatically know what the fuck he's talking about simply by being TB and worse, he says this shit for attention as his income is derived from being paid attention to. He had a Korean team, he has more of a clue about the Korean scene than most people.
GSTL was not ProLeague. Anyway I'm not gonna derail and argue about random shit on Reddit that won't be remembered in a week.
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ok I think we're getting game 3
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those banes got shut down so fucking hard
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Those baneling drops though.
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On October 29 2016 05:48 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2016 05:38 Elentos wrote:On October 29 2016 05:37 Probe1 wrote:On October 29 2016 05:36 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2016 05:29 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:24 Kerence wrote:On October 29 2016 05:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 29 2016 05:15 ArtyK wrote:
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right they instantly got way worse after leaving the practice house I think they've been aware of the situatio since long before the teams actually disbanded, and yeah that was bound to affect their training regimen Most likely. I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but TotalBiscuit commented on this when Proleague was cancelled. Cynicalbrit_official wrote:
Keeping GSL running shouldn't be a problem as long as Blizzard keeps their wallet open. The problem is filling it with top talent when you have no semi-pro scene, no up-and-comers and no teamhouse infrastructure.
More than all of that however, is keeping the morale of the Korean pros up. There were already some pretty reliable reports that a bunch of KeSPA Koreans did not practice hard for KeSPA cup because they knew this was coming. Motivation and morale over there is at an all time low and has been steadily declining since the region lock announcement.
What I think a lot of people don't realize is that Korean pros really valued playing in foreign countries. Not for prize money, but to actually get out and see the world and play in front of enthusiastic crowds. It was the #1 priority of every Korean player I've ever negotiated a contract with or tried to sign, way above salary.
Imagine after all that, you get told "we don't want you anymore". Heartbreaking. Now even if there was a reversal of the region lock, most of the Korean scene is teamless and would be reliant on precious few qualifier spots to be able to afford to come to a foreign event in the first place. Foreign teams don't wanna sign them because they can't use their players in events outside of Korea and Korean events are on at horrible times for the majority of the west and get poor viewership.
Source: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loq/ I really understand why Blizzard chose to revive the foreign scene instead of the korean one but we'll only be able to tell if that was the good choice in 2 years or so I mean, what else could they have done for the korean scene anyway? They pretty much already fund GSL. Sure I dislike the WCS rules, but it didn't effect what happened that much. The korean scene might have lived a little longer if they didn't region lock WCS, but I doubt much would have changed. I might have prevented a bunch of retirements. PartinG, HerO, Fantasy, Rain, Jaedong, Soulkey all retired or lost motivation because of wcs changes. Sure. TB also commented on how region lock cut of any other chance of funding for proleague teams: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp/And as you say some players might have stuck around longer. I'm not agreeing about the region lock anyway, I think it's stupid. But outside of that there's not much Blizzard could have done to prevent the situation in Korea. As much as I appreciate TBs constant contributions to SC2, he does not automatically know what the fuck he's talking about simply by being TB and worse, he says this shit for attention as his income is derived from being paid attention to. He had a Korean team, he has more of a clue about the Korean scene than most people. GSTL was not ProLeague. Anyway I'm not gonna derail and argue about random shit on Reddit that won't be remembered in a week.
Axiom was going to become a Proleague team until TB was diagnosed with cancer and he was forced to dissolve the team.
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yeah g3, that was a far better game by Dear
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On October 29 2016 05:49 Shellshock wrote:
ok I think we're getting game 3
Oh yes
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Dear went from full Korea to full 2016NA real fast
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On October 29 2016 05:47 AbouSV wrote:
In the French Twitch chat someone mentioned a very bad news about Dear, almost making him cancel his venue to Blizzcon. Does anyone knows something about it? (I won't say a thing about the news itself since there were no source)
yea, just before going to blizzcon dear realized a foreigner was in his group, making him consider cancelling his attendance
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how did Elazer beat Solar
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On October 29 2016 05:50 Alchemik wrote:
how did Elazer beat Solar
He flipped his coins better
Also he outplayed him.
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On October 29 2016 05:50 Alchemik wrote:
how did Elazer beat Solar
apparently good coinflip skills
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On October 29 2016 05:50 Alchemik wrote:
how did Elazer beat Solar
ZvZ. He did play better though.
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EPT
