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On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that  And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players?
It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses.
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On January 05 2016 01:47 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players? It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses.
We didn't look very far. It was there right in front of us.
When you're presented with a fact and you react with "you shouldn't look for excuses" without questioning the fact at all, what you're essentially saying is "you should ignore reality just as much as me". Well no.
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Russian Federation421 Posts
Just looked through the vods. MarineLorD had his moment of greatness, beating Padrovation 5-0 is a big achievement despite whatever conditions. Too bad he will just regress back to mediocrity after that.
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Really do hope that this tremendous upset can set off a revitalization of the foreign scene. It's been years since we've really had a foreign star, and nothing drives viewership and excitement like a foreigner vs. Korean matchup where it isn't just a one-sided smack-down.
Anyone else remember the MLGs of 2011 where guys like Huk, Naniwa and Idra were putting up close games against top Koreans? To me, that was a golden age of SC2, and viewership those days was so high.
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Let's look at the fact here :
Nobody is saying that MarineLord is a code S contender or whatever. Nobody is saying that the koreans aren't the best players anymore. And Innovation doesn't become second to MLord after this event. But this was a formidable showing by Mlord. I don't know if you've watched the replays, but his play was stellar.
I think he has had what the best foreign terrans never had : the ability to go for the kill. The greatest zergs were Nerchio, Scarlett, Snute and Stephano. Except maybe Snute, they all had this ability to just stop what they were doing and seize the opportunity to go for the neck and kill their opponents right here, right now. Same from our protoss stars : HuK, NaNiWa, or end-of-last-year Lilbow had this ability.
But it has always lacked on our terrans players. ThorZaiN was a formidable player, but he wasn't called the "spoon terran" for nothing. LucifroN also was solid, but had a hard time going for it.
I really hope this wasn't a one-time showing. It can be, and MarineLord can fade a bit (even though he's been in a formidable shape since the beginning of LotV). But I wish he won't, and I wish we are going to have our next Terran Foreign hope.
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France12912 Posts
On January 05 2016 02:45 Supter wrote:
Let's look at the fact here :
Nobody is saying that MarineLord is a code S contender or whatever. Nobody is saying that the koreans aren't the best players anymore. And Innovation doesn't become second to MLord after this event. But this was a formidable showing by Mlord. I don't know if you've watched the replays, but his play was stellar.
I think he has had what the best foreign terrans never had : the ability to go for the kill. The greatest zergs were Nerchio, Scarlett, Snute and Stephano. Except maybe Snute, they all had this ability to just stop what they were doing and seize the opportunity to go for the neck and kill their opponents right here, right now. Same from our protoss stars : HuK, NaNiWa, or end-of-last-year Lilbow had this ability.
But it has always lacked on our terrans players. ThorZaiN was a formidable player, but he wasn't called the "spoon terran" for nothing. LucifroN also was solid, but had a hard time going for it.
I really hope this wasn't a one-time showing. It can be, and MarineLord can fade a bit (even though he's been in a formidable shape since the beginning of LotV). But I wish he won't, and I wish we are going to have our next Terran Foreign hope.
Terran on HotS / LotV is easier than it was on WoL, you get a bit more apm because you don't need to box your scv to check the count on minerals (which helps tremendously when being harassed), the multitask is easier with the drops because of the medivac boost (most of the time you can react later but still avoid losing your medivac because of last second boost), liberator and hellbats are very good units, etc...
I have played against very good EU terrans back in the days (Kas, Happy, Dayshi, LucifroN, etc...) and LucifroN really was something else.
BL/Infestor was harder for terrans than what we have now, so if they "could not go for the kill" terrans would not even win on ladder, but they could, of course.
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Netherlands6273 Posts
On January 05 2016 01:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 01:47 sharkie wrote:On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players? It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses. We didn't look very far. It was there right in front of us. When you're presented with a fact and you react with "you shouldn't look for excuses" without questioning the fact at all, what you're essentially saying is "you should ignore reality just as much as me". Well no.
there are anecdotes of Koreans practising all night before an important match and still winning. There's also the fact they've known for weeks now that they'd have to wake up early and they could have prepared for it. They might have played worse because they were tired but a lot of that responsibility goes to the players as well.
Marinelord just played out of his mind yesterday and the Koreans worse than normal. There's no need to make excuses for Koreans whether it's true or not. They're professionals. The same goes for foreign players of course.
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On January 05 2016 01:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 01:47 sharkie wrote:On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players? It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses. We didn't look very far. It was there right in front of us. When you're presented with a fact and you react with "you shouldn't look for excuses" without questioning the fact at all, what you're essentially saying is "you should ignore reality just as much as me". Well no.
Bullshit or how to say nothing in two lines.
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On January 05 2016 02:45 Supter wrote:
Let's look at the fact here :
Nobody is saying that MarineLord is a code S contender or whatever. Nobody is saying that the koreans aren't the best players anymore. And Innovation doesn't become second to MLord after this event. But this was a formidable showing by Mlord. I don't know if you've watched the replays, but his play was stellar.
Thank you!
You did summarize perfectly what happened, and what goes through the mind of sane and "unbiased" people.
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On January 04 2016 23:06 Salteador Neo wrote:
The caster bias was way too unprofessional imo. I can accept it in HSC because it's a half joke tourney (which I love) but this was supposed to be a serious one, wasn't it?
I ageee on this - any comments?
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Is there anyway I can watch the Finals VODs???
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On January 05 2016 03:59 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 23:06 Salteador Neo wrote:
The caster bias was way too unprofessional imo. I can accept it in HSC because it's a half joke tourney (which I love) but this was supposed to be a serious one, wasn't it? I ageee on this - any comments?
Yep, best affluence since years on a french sc2 stream. Staff has always claimed their friendly and unserious cast. Just as Take, in fact, it's just cool and not as serious as others but it's not at all less professionnal.
Btw, that Marinelord's performance was undoubtly one to remember, like idra's, stephano's, naniwa's ones. The level he showed was one of the foreign top notch ever seen. If you disagree, watch vod or replay one more time 
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On January 05 2016 04:45 enonyme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 03:59 Glorfindel! wrote:On January 04 2016 23:06 Salteador Neo wrote:
The caster bias was way too unprofessional imo. I can accept it in HSC because it's a half joke tourney (which I love) but this was supposed to be a serious one, wasn't it? I ageee on this - any comments? Yep, best affluence since years on a french sc2 stream. Staff has always claimed their friendly and unserious cast. Just as Take, in fact, it's just cool and not as serious as others but it's not at all less professionnal. Btw, that Marinelord's performance was undoubtly one to remember, like idra's, stephano's, naniwa's ones. The level he showed was one of the foreign top notch ever seen. If you disagree, watch vod or replay one more time
Best affluence ever in fact, beating the last record (France vs Russia in NW2) by 8k I think.
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On January 05 2016 03:41 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 01:58 Nebuchad wrote:On January 05 2016 01:47 sharkie wrote:On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players? It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses. We didn't look very far. It was there right in front of us. When you're presented with a fact and you react with "you shouldn't look for excuses" without questioning the fact at all, what you're essentially saying is "you should ignore reality just as much as me". Well no. there are anecdotes of Koreans practising all night before an important match and still winning. There's also the fact they've known for weeks now that they'd have to wake up early and they could have prepared for it. They might have played worse because they were tired but a lot of that responsibility goes to the players as well. Marinelord just played out of his mind yesterday and the Koreans worse than normal. There's no need to make excuses for Koreans whether it's true or not. They're professionals. The same goes for foreign players of course.
Just out of curiosity, if you agree that the Koreans played worse than normal, why do you consider stating it an "excuse"? And what exactly made you want to disagree with me?
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On January 05 2016 03:47 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 02:45 Supter wrote:
Let's look at the fact here :
Nobody is saying that MarineLord is a code S contender or whatever. Nobody is saying that the koreans aren't the best players anymore. And Innovation doesn't become second to MLord after this event. But this was a formidable showing by Mlord. I don't know if you've watched the replays, but his play was stellar.
Thank you! You did summarize perfectly what happened, and what goes through the mind of sane and "unbiased" people.
That's literally the exact same content that was in Ansibled's post and back then you thought that was an opportunity to talk about how disgustingly pro-korean the community is.
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It's not like there's a ton of competitions going on. If the Koreans suffered from conditions, they should've taken the time to adapt. If you have a problem with jet lag, arrive a couple of days earlier, if you've got a night shift ahead, plan you're sleep accordingly. That's part of a professional approach.
Or else, get you're ass kicked by a well prepared Frenchman.
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Netherlands6273 Posts
On January 05 2016 05:20 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 03:41 RvB wrote:On January 05 2016 01:58 Nebuchad wrote:On January 05 2016 01:47 sharkie wrote:On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players? It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses. We didn't look very far. It was there right in front of us. When you're presented with a fact and you react with "you shouldn't look for excuses" without questioning the fact at all, what you're essentially saying is "you should ignore reality just as much as me". Well no. there are anecdotes of Koreans practising all night before an important match and still winning. There's also the fact they've known for weeks now that they'd have to wake up early and they could have prepared for it. They might have played worse because they were tired but a lot of that responsibility goes to the players as well. Marinelord just played out of his mind yesterday and the Koreans worse than normal. There's no need to make excuses for Koreans whether it's true or not. They're professionals. The same goes for foreign players of course. Just out of curiosity, if you agree that the Koreans played worse than normal, why do you consider stating it an "excuse"? And what exactly made you want to disagree with me?
Daswollvieh explained it better than I could.
There's also the fact that there are a ton more factors which decide if someone performs well.
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On January 05 2016 06:52 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 05:20 Nebuchad wrote:On January 05 2016 03:41 RvB wrote:On January 05 2016 01:58 Nebuchad wrote:On January 05 2016 01:47 sharkie wrote:On January 05 2016 01:43 Charoisaur wrote:On January 04 2016 23:30 Ppjack wrote:On January 04 2016 23:10 Ansibled wrote:On January 04 2016 22:36 Ppjack wrote:That is hilarious that the koreans congratulate Marinelord for his performance, while a significant percentage of foreigners are making the most hilarious excuses and did cry all night long as they realise their sweet pop-idols are not invincible. http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=347&aid=0000082344HAHAHA what a day to be aliveeeeee :D Why can't you do both? Marinelord deserves to be congratulated but there are also circumstances that makes his victory less meaningful. Excuses are always going to be made when the better players lose, if you want the excuses to be gone then we have to see them perform well continually or perform well on LAN. If we want excuses to be gone we have to see him compete in Korea. The korean bias is too strong and totally disgusting in this community. I always feel like talking to kids that no nothing except that "koreans" are the best, or to people of my age that grew with Boxers that just barely follow the foreign scene at all but still talk out loud. I don't know what kind of bias it is. I don't want to believe too that a lot of the "geek" community is fucking biased toward Asia in general. Best food best girls best mentality best music whatever, it is hilarious. Btw who the fuck downsize the performance of Luminosity when they beat Nip, Envy and TSM? EU is the korea of cs, there are a lot of banter between EU and NA, it is clearly a fact that NA teams don't perform as good as EU teams and that they lack something in the mindset. But everyone want them to catch up and is happy when they have a good run. Wtf is wrong in starcraft ? Korean bias just too strong and annoying. I've been a lurker for years and years as my english wasn't good enough before I had to travel a lot with my job, and I seem to only post to defend foreigners. Why? Because oh my god this community is SO biased and TL and reddit are a whine fest. No funny posts, few positive attitude posts. Just having the chance to live such an incredible storyline should rejoycs everyone. Even the koreans I read from are simply happy to see something different happen. We all know Innovation is the better player, he has nothing to prove, and Marinelord said it was probably the only time in his career that would achieve that. Anyway. I am so happy to have lived that And my favorite players have always been MMA, Nestea, Stephano, Marineking and Innovation. Please add Marinelord to the list ! Korea bias??? wtf? koreans are the best that's a fact. they are so good they got banned from international tournaments so that others have a chance to win. What is wrong with people cheering for the best players? It's wrong that when the best players lose these people look for excuses. We didn't look very far. It was there right in front of us. When you're presented with a fact and you react with "you shouldn't look for excuses" without questioning the fact at all, what you're essentially saying is "you should ignore reality just as much as me". Well no. there are anecdotes of Koreans practising all night before an important match and still winning. There's also the fact they've known for weeks now that they'd have to wake up early and they could have prepared for it. They might have played worse because they were tired but a lot of that responsibility goes to the players as well. Marinelord just played out of his mind yesterday and the Koreans worse than normal. There's no need to make excuses for Koreans whether it's true or not. They're professionals. The same goes for foreign players of course. Just out of curiosity, if you agree that the Koreans played worse than normal, why do you consider stating it an "excuse"? And what exactly made you want to disagree with me? Daswollvieh explained it better than I could. There's also the fact that there are a ton more factors which decide if someone performs well.
Daswollvieh doesn't explain anything. He says they could have played/prepared better. Yeah, that's true, they could have. But they didn't. We don't get to ignore something happened just because it didn't have to happen.
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I can't find the vods of the Finals: France vs Korea.
Where can I find them?
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Well played and congratulations MarineLorD, and by extension, team France and commiserations to team Korea; I honestly wasn't expecting such a result. Despite latency and ping issues (not sure what server the games were played on, hence my saying that - if I'm wrong then don't flame me), it's still a great result.
Much respect for the Koreans congratulating MarineGoD. Stay classy.
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